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    2 sisters in Ky. fight for Social Security numbers

    LONDON, Ky. (AP) — For more than two decades, a pair of sisters in rural Kentucky have lived without Social Security numbers, doing odd jobs like bartending and making jewelry to earn cash under the table. One of them even posed as their mother to gain employment.

    Now Raechel and Stephanie Schultz want steady, legitimate work, yet the federal government has refused to issue numbers to the women, saying they need more proof the pair were born in the U.S. The predicament prompted the women, who have lived for years on society's fringes, to sue.

    "I'm proud to be American but they don't want me," 23-year-old Stephanie Schultz told The Associated Press in an interview at their lawyer's office in southeastern Kentucky.

    The earliest years for the Schultz sisters were nomadic. The family traveled through 42 states, never staying too long in one place. Their father found occasional work in construction or at restaurants and the children picked up cans to make a few bucks. They stayed in motels or camped and the sisters' grandparents sent money to help.

    "They didn't have no life plan," 29-year-old Raechel Schultz said of her parents, now in their 50s. "It was just all like free hippie style, do what you can to get by. Gypsies."

    Raechel was born at a home in Madison County, Ky., near where the family lives now; Stephanie was delivered in the back of a Dodge van in southern Alabama. The births were recorded in a family Bible but were otherwise undocumented.

    Their mercurial parents settled into a hardscrabble existence about 14 years ago along the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, where the family car broke down. The girls were home schooled by their college-educated parents.

    The sisters still live with their parents in a weather-worn mobile home in the tiny enclave of Lily. The trailer is perched close to a strip of blacktop winding through the hilly backcountry.

    It wasn't until five years ago that they tried to register with the Social Security system. They waited until Stephanie turned 18 because their parents feared truancy charges, Raechel said.

    "The first couple years of our life, Dad didn't get our Social Security numbers, and he said once you don't do that right off the bat, they won't let you do it," Raechel said. "So they just went on with it."

    Everyone else in the family has a Social Security number, including an older sister now living in New Orleans who got her Social Security card as a teenager on her second try. She had a birth certificate and a baptismal record.

    When the sisters first went to get their Social Security number, "we thought it would be easy," Stephanie said.

    This isn't the first time the sisters have gone to court over personal documents. In 2009, the women sued to get birth certificates, took a DNA test to prove they were born to their parents and a judge's order won them the records.

    "The Court has no reason to not believe the testimony and finds no reason to suggest the plaintiffs are seeking this relief for an illegal or immoral purpose," Circuit Judge John Knox Mills wrote in his 2010 order.

    Despite their lack of Social Security numbers, the sisters have found ways to supplement their family's meager income. Stephanie makes jewelry and paints old furniture to sell at a flea market. Raechel held down work at a couple of area restaurants by posing as her mother. She was at one eatery for seven years, rising to associate manager, but eventually quit out of fear her supervisors would discover her secret.

    According to their lawsuit, the Social Security Administration indicated it denied the women's request for numbers because they "have not given us documents we need to show U.S. citizenship." The agency has declined to comment on the suit.

    The sisters' attorney, Douglas Benge, said he was told by a Social Security official that the agency doesn't accept birth certificates issued so many years after birth.

    "Our complaint with the government is, what else do these girls have to show?" he said.

    On its website, the Social Security Administration lists documents that may be used to prove identity, age and citizenship. The accepted records include a birth certificate, driver's license, state-issued identification card or U.S. passport, and it's not entirely clear why they have been denied.

    Robert Bruce, who retired as a district manager after 31 years with the Social Security Administration, said recently that the age of the women combined with the lack of official documentation raises a suspicion of fraud.

    The sisters see their dilemma as a government overreaction since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

    Their maternal grandfather said they just want a chance to work.

    "My view is, we're so caught up in administrative procedure, nobody has any common sense," said Norman Turchan, who lives in Indianapolis. "There's a common sense way out of this situation."

    When word of their plight appeared on the Internet and in newspapers, their attorney received emails from some questioning the sisters' motivation, saying the Schultzes just wanted government assistance. But both women said they want to work, and that their family has never taken welfare.

    "I don't want to bum off the state," said Raechel, who would like to sell real estate.

    Stephanie dreams of running a no-kill animal shelter and dabbling in interior design.

    "If you have a Social Security number, you can do anything you want," Raechel said.

    ___

    Barrouquere reported from Louisville, Ky.

     

    1,181 comments

    • John  •  9 mths ago
      Everyone should see a movie called The Wild & Wonderful Whites of West Virginia.. A documentary of the White Family of Boone County WV..if you can sit thru it once...I guarantee you; you will watch it at least once again...Hank Williams III describes them as The Free est family in West Virginia..I don't think they're concerned with SS acct s.
      • Calvin C 9 mths ago
        lol i watched and was apualed at the way they carried on
      • John 9 mths ago
        still lol...did you sit thru the whole thing?
      • TonyO 9 mths ago
        benn dar, sene it,,,,,,,,git u're dun
    • TRMNWV  •  9 mths ago
      lol... well i'm a born 1960 child and i didn't get my social security card with # till i was 14yrs 1974. These girls were born naturally and at home no doctors or hospitals. Theres records of their births in the family bible. Their Parents are from america and as well as other siblings and those siblings got their #. All they want to do is better themselves and beaurcratic crap is keeping them from it. They have Birth Certificates from the state with seal so what the heck is the hold up. My g-mother almost didn't get her Social Security Retirement in the late 70's because all that was recorded at the was baby girl Price was born on a certian date. As they didn't name her directly. Any how these young lady's aren't alein's from another country or what ever the government thinks.
      • George Pìmpington 9 mths ago
        They're here illegally, they should be deported.
      • Suzanne 9 mths ago
        Deported where? They were born here and so were their parents and grandparents
      • the NUT 9 mths ago
        i have had a SS# since 1962 @ 12 yrs old lost it tried to get another one showing my reconciliation statement they send me with my # and earnings since 1969 they would not give it to me showed my allien green card still would not give it to me said card was expired called INS They said card was not expired and in good standing it was just the old version even an older supervisor refused to except it Thank God i now have my citizenship papers Bush,s law has made it real hard to get a drivers license or any govt type documentation without proper ID Point being i understand there frustration in dealing with boobs in goverment offices who think they are gods because they have a better employer then you do
    • Jonathan W  •  9 mths ago
      Back in the seventies you didn't get a SS# till you were like 13 or 14, that's when I got mine. Just wasn't required by law like it is now.
      • EatTheSheep 9 mths ago
        It is still not required by law...but the beast desires it so that he can number you.
      • Jonathan W 9 mths ago
        Most schools and hospitals require it.. so yeah it is.
      • bob 9 mths ago
        All transactions with banks, e.g. savings and check accounts, car loans, etc. demand a social security number.
        Significant non-cash employment requires a ssn. Going to a hospital demands a ssn. Thier partents were ignorant
        parasites that didnt give a thought to their childrens future.
        Compounded by official stupidity.
    • What a dump  •  9 mths ago
      Give them their social security numbers and let them go to work. People who actually want to work and pay into the system!!!! Imagine that!
      • Solution 9 mths ago
        See something new every day. lol --- good post
      • Ron 9 mths ago
        I was thinking the same exact thing!
      • Loretta 9 mths ago
        They didn't work legally for a long time! Now they want to pay taxes???
    • R_USA76  •  9 mths ago
      One thing I like is they have DNA test to prove they are from both parents, so what country is both parents are from? What a dumb A** government.
      • Loretta 9 mths ago
        Hey, Dumba$$, DNA does not prove citizenship! That's like saying I'm a citizen of Cuba because my parents are from there. It doesn't work that way!
      • Torchwood Trinity 9 mths ago
        LOL!
      • Daniel 9 mths ago
        @ A Loretta it does work that way in the US.
    • Bill  •  9 mths ago
      so what happens if they get arrested for anything? can't really identify them....could they be released.....could they be deported? are they currently classified as illegal aliens?
    • LuisC  •  9 mths ago
      I wish Social Security would refund the money I paid in while working the last 25 years. It is over $130,000. They can keep the number! At 41 years of age, all signs point to the system being broke by the time I am 67.

      Another 25 years and probably $200,000+ more in contributions to get whatever breadcrumbs are left over in 2037. What a scam. These girls are better off without it!
    • forserious  •  9 mths ago
      Isn't the fact that the parents are US citizens enough? Aren't they automatically citizens? This is our government waste at its finest! Instead of issuing the numbers and checking up on them a few times in the next few years, they will spend hundreds of thousands on court costs and denying them!
    • Richie T  •  9 mths ago
      If a Judge decided that they had enough proof that they were issued birth certificates, whoever decided that doesn't qualify for a Social Security card, should be in jail. They denied a legal document issued by a judge claiming it isn't valid. Considering that more then 3 million registered voters are dead, you'd think the government would have allot more important things to deal with then this kind of #$%$
    • Bob  •  9 mths ago
      Someone in the Social Security Administration needs to pull their head out of their *** and use some common sense here.
    • Bill  •  9 mths ago
      look at the bright side.....they don't have to pay taxes!
    • R P  •  9 mths ago
      It's bureaucratic stupidity like this that makes most people think the government is useless.
      We don't need less government, just less morons working in it. (ps. Companies can just as stupid. Low level brains in mid level jobs will foul up any organization.)
    • Stephen  •  9 mths ago
      ACLU won't help these women but will sue if a city or village wants to have a manger scene in the public square for Christmas.
    • David  •  9 mths ago
      Question: What defines reality? An actual birth in rural America, or the records in a bureaucracy?
      I knew a homeless guy (long story) and the only federal agency willing to recognize him as an actualy person was the IRS. He had a part-time job that paid cash, and they said he could list his address as "Under the bridge at Elm and Main street, Dallas, Texas." lol . . .

      IMHO, government records should RECORD what we do, and not define who we are.
      JMHO.
    • Chuck  •  9 mths ago
      This comes from the same government that will give free healthcare to the 12 million illegals?
    • L P  •  9 mths ago
      Social security doesn't take a birth certificate as proof of identity. Had to bring them an insurance card or shot records to get copies of my childrens cards.
      Definetely a brokens system.
    • micronella  •  9 mths ago
      Hmmm... they have official birth certificates (by DNA test) that they biologically belong to their American parents and they are willing to work and pay tax to Uncle Sam so why deny them social security numbers? There has to be more to this story if that is the case. There are many undocumented people in U.S. of A who are not willing to work and just feed off the system paid for by hard-working legal residents of America (both citizens and documented aliens per se). Like many had mentioned on their comments, many of the people with social security numbers just use those numbers to be taken care of by the government even when they are able to care for themselves. Where can these two women be deported to? I just hope they deport those undocumented Mexicans in the state of New Mexico who were legally provided drivers' licenses by the state government without social security numbers... America has turned weird these days legally speaking.
    • Regor Tnt  •  9 mths ago
      If an illegal pregnant women gives birth on U.S. soil even if not witnessed by others and the child is automatically a U.S. citizen why would these women not be treateds the same?
    • confederate  •  9 mths ago
      just tell them to go to mexico and swim across it appears to work #$%$ fine for about 20 million or so wets in this country illegaly
    • doggone  •  9 mths ago
      What is really frustrating is that an illegal alian can sign up and have a Social Security card, Drivers liscence or whatever they want without any question. But just let a "born in America" citizen try to do things right and you see what happens.
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