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    2012 Medicare debate is all about the baby boomers

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Baby boomers take note: Medicare as your parents have known it is headed for big changes no matter who wins the White House in 2012. You may not like it, but you might have to accept it.

    Dial down the partisan rhetoric and surprising similarities emerge from competing policy prescriptions by President Barack Obama and leading Republicans such as Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

    Limit the overall growth of Medicare spending? It's in both approaches.

    Squeeze more money from upper-income retirees and some in the middle-class? Ditto.

    Raise the eligibility age? That too, if the deal is right.

    With more than 1.5 million baby boomers a year signing up for Medicare, the program's future is one of the most important economic issues for anyone now 50 or older. Health care costs are the most unpredictable part of retirement, and Medicare remains an exceptional deal for retirees, who can reap benefits worth far more than the payroll taxes they paid in during their careers.

    "People would like to have what they used to have. What they don't seem to understand is that it's already changed," said Gail Wilensky, a former Medicare administrator and adviser to Republicans. "Medicare as we have known it is not part of our future."

    Two sets of numbers underscore that point.

    First, Medicare's giant trust fund for inpatient care is projected to run out of money in 2024. At that point, the program will collect only enough payroll taxes to pay 90 percent of benefits.

    Second, researchers estimate that 20 to 30 percent of the more than $500 billion that Medicare now spends annually is wasted on treatments and procedures of little or no benefit to patients.

    Taken together, that means policymakers can't let Medicare keep running on autopilot and they'll look for cuts before any payroll tax increases.

    Privatization is the biggest divide between Democrats and Republicans.

    Currently about 75 percent of Medicare recipients are in the traditional government-run, fee-for-service program and 25 percent are in private insurance plans known as Medicare Advantage.

    Ryan's original approach, part of a budget plan the House passed in the spring, would have put 100 percent of future retirees into private insurance. His latest plan, developed with Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., would keep traditional Medicare as an option, competing with private plans.

    Older people would get a fixed payment they could use for private health insurance or traditional Medicare. Proponents call it "premium support." To foes, it's a voucher.

    Under both of Ryan's versions, people now 55 or older would not have to make any changes. GOP presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich praise his latest plan.

    How would it work? Would it save taxpayers money? Would it shift costs to retirees as Ryan's earlier plan did? Would Congress later phase out traditional Medicare? Those and other questions must still be answered.

    "I'm not sure anybody has come up with a formula on this that makes people comfortable," said health economist Marilyn Moon, who formerly served as a trustee helping to oversee Medicare finances.

    White House spokesman Jay Carney says the Wyden-Ryan plan "would end Medicare as we know it for millions of seniors," causing the traditional program to "wither on the vine."

    But what administration officials don't say is that Obama's health care law already puts in place one of Ryan's main goals by limiting future increases in Medicare spending.

    Ryan would do it with a fixed payment for health insurance, adjusted to allow some growth. In theory that compels consumers and medical providers to be more cost-conscious. Obama does it with a powerful board that can force Medicare cuts to service providers if costs rise beyond certain levels and Congress fails to act.

    Like several elements of Obama's health care overhaul, the Independent Payment Advisory Board is in limbo for now, but it is on the books. If the board survives Republican repeal attempts, it could become one of the government's most important domestic agencies.

    The White House wants to keep the existing structure of Medicare while "twisting the dials" to control spending, said a current Medicare trustee, economist Robert Reischauer of the Urban Institute think tank.

    Ryan's latest approach is arguably an evolution of the current Medicare Advantage private insurance program, not a radical change, Reischauer said. That's particularly so if traditional Medicare remains an option.

    "In the hot and heavy political debate we are in, participants are exaggerating the difference between the proposals," he said.

    During failed budget negotiations with Republicans last summer, Obama indicated a willingness to make more major changes to Medicare, including gradually raising the age of eligibility to 67, increasing premiums for many beneficiaries, revamping co-payments and deductibles in ways that would raise costs for retirees, and cutting payments to drugmakers and other providers.

    "I was surprised by how much the president was willing to offer in terms of Medicare changes without a more thorough vetting and discussion," said Moon. Obama says he will veto any plan to cut Medicare benefits without raising taxes on the wealthy.

    Democrats are still hoping to use Ryan's privatization plans as a political weapon against Republicans in 2012, but the Medicare debate could cut both ways. For the 76 million baby boomers signing up over the next couple of decades, it will pay to be watching.

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    Online:

    Medicare: http://www.medicare.gov

    Ryan-Wyden plan: http://tinyurl.com/ct7utja

     
    • John  •  4 mths ago
      Dear Mr Ryan, as a taxpayer may I remind you , that you work for the people and If the people can't afford health care how can we afford to pay for your gold plated plan while cutting ours to shreds, I'd be perfectly happy with yours, do you want to trade pricko
    • LAUGHING at Republicans  •  4 mths ago
      The only citizens against affordable health care act are the freeloaders who refuse to buy coverage. Billions of your tax dollars go to hospital emergency rooms to cover these jerks. Also, no one seems to mind mandated auto insurance to drive, it is responsible. Why is it not responsible to have medical insurance coverage? Is it because you are a republican who thinks it is their right to have everything paid for you by the working middle class, Ryan does.
    • Kim  •  Eugene, Oregon  •  4 mths ago
      They never point out that most people on SS pay every month for medicare, I pay 110 dollars a month for medicare and if you want medicare advange then you not only pay for plan B at 110 a month you pay the medicare advange policy also which is 150 month in my area.So for people to think that a person on SS gets free medicare well you are totaly wrong.
      • Anne G 4 mths ago
        You also forgot to mention that you don't have an option but to buy the Medicare unless you are covered under another insurance plan. You also didn't mention your deductibles and co-pays. People think it's a free healthcare, just like they think Obamacare is free. Wait until they get hit with the bills.
      • janeB 4 mths ago
        IT depends on your total income..................and people on social security have little money coming in. So for them medicare is a GOD SEND..........
      • Swb 4 mths ago
        You are absolutely right Kim.
    • price  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  4 mths ago
      stop health care for illegals
    • Gary  •  Shallotte, North Carolina  •  4 mths ago
      The government will not pay back the money they raided, the money to pay it back will come from all of us in taxes to suppliment the shortfall. They want to cut the benefits and it may be necessary to keep Medicare adn Social Security afloat but before they do all the politicians should be moved to Medicare instead of their higher priced cover everything healthcare. They have lost touch with the common person and play to special groups that can give them money to run for office. Need to put the country back on a good financial base.
      • vietvet5169 4 mths ago
        "GET OUT AND VOTE, COME NOVEMBER"...!!!!
      • Been_there_too 4 mths ago
        Ron Paul 2012
      • WilliamD 4 mths ago
        The Government never raided the trust funds. That is the biggest misunderstanding. The Government has no way to let money sit it has to use it so the trust fund collections are loaned to the Government to reduce the General Fund deficits, the interest on the loans is loaned right back for the same reason. Impossible to manage but until a few years ago made all politicians look good since it masked the size of the deficit. Since so called trust fund collections nowadays are not as great as expenditures the difference has to be made up from the General Fund which really exposes the huge deficit that has been building for decades. Probably since the 60s.

        Bill
    • Bucky Ruckus  •  4 mths ago
      I am fifty years old, and my paychecks have PAID for Medicare since I was 16. My knees are going after years working on jets. You can bet your sweet #$%$ I better get what I already paid for!
      • foodandart 4 mths ago
        That's the rub, Bucky.. you WILL only get what you paid in. The days of getting dozens of times MORE than the total lifetime allowance are over and done with.
      • John Chucks 4 mths ago
        So it is ME and MY childrens responsibility to PAY for YOUR sob story?
        If you feel you are OWED....What led you to believe it was your children and grandchildren that "Owed" you?
      • Cliff Stouffer 4 mths ago
        What a bunch of crap you people that replied to this gentelman. You that think you are not going to let the people that kept this country free have what they payed for in both blood and guts!
    • Domino  •  Center Moriches, New York  •  4 mths ago
      the richest country on the planet and it can't take care of its own citizens. Saying anything else would be a waste of time
      • DeborahM 4 mths ago
        It is because the politicians have been STEALING out of those funds as well as and especially the peoples social security fund.
      • Scortch Dearth 4 mths ago
        Politicians steal for the benefit of their wealthy contributors...learn who your REAL enemies are, before we start the revolution.
        Politicians are not the only guilty ones that need to be purged from life.
      • Yahooooo 4 mths ago
        It's my job to care for myself, not the country's.

        "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country." - JFK
    • janice  •  Holt, Michigan  •  4 mths ago
      And us "baby boomers" are the ones who have paid the most into Social Security... they aren't even supposed to be touching those funds.... this government needs fired!
    • Jharaad  •  4 mths ago
      Deny people something they worked for. Revolution is coming !!
    • Hello  •  4 mths ago
      We should get the same medical benefits as all those bastar@s in Congress get when they retire.
    • Donna  •  Roanoke, Virginia  •  4 mths ago
      I have worked since I was a teenager, mowing lawns, picking raspberries, ironing then in factories and on to college then worked in offices...always paying into the Social security system from my weekly checks...and you have the nerve to call me selfish...you jerks...I am ready to retire and you want to pull the rug out from under me.... that's not the American dream...Tell your elected officials to pay the money back into the Social Security system that they borrowed with the going interest rate on loans..and then we'll talk. Tell you elected officials that they must lose all their benefits...ALL will see change then.
    • Some One  •  Walled Lake, Michigan  •  4 mths ago
      2012 the shell game continues, Americans should demand an end to the health care and retirement benefits of elected officials and the president. merge them into S.S. and medicare. Problem solved, Happy New Year!
    • Caddman  •  Columbus, Ohio  •  4 mths ago
      I PAID for TWO insurance policies SOLD by this government. One was Social Security and the other one was Medicare. I PAID for my Social Security checks, I PAID and CONTINUE to PAY for Medicare benefits. Now the government wants to defraud Senior Citizen out what what they BOUGHT and PAID for? Next up, A new law, every person over the age of 60 (except politicians of-course) will report to the nearest government euthanasia clinic to make their one final sacrifice for the country. Special five year exemptions will be sold to such other persons rich enough to afford them.
    • Hello  •  4 mths ago
      Gee, maybe we could have used the trillions spent on two useless wars to help people in our own country instead of helping people who couldn't give a #$%$ about us.
    • James F  •  Dallas, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      American baby boomers are retired ex-hard working taxpayers and citizens ... not some foreign country ... eliminate the fraud from Medicare along with the overpriced finger prickers and those high dollar scooters and other things people are selling on Craigs list & Ebay .... let's have a debate on foreign aid while we are at it ... eliminate the fraud in that system also , or end it altogether ... foreign countries did not pay into the system like the baby boomers did ... get out of the UN and let other countries fight their own wars ... and most of all remember to vote out all the incumbant politicians as soon as possible ... they all have destroyed this country and spent us into oblivian ...
    • Da Vern  •  Greensboro, North Carolina  •  4 mths ago
      We, the baby boomers have been robbed!! Period!! MY hard earned money is being handed out to people who NEVER paid one red cent, and I'm supposed to be happy about it??!?? They continue to tell us we have to work longer and receive less of OUR money, so others who never paid can have the "same" as me. WHY???!!! I think they have it backward...We should be retiring by 55 and letting the young know-it-alls have the jobs and do the work. They complain, "No jobs for the youngins." LET US RETIRE then! THAT would open up how many jobs....I know, it's jobs the "kids" don't wanna do! They wanna sit on their duffs and play video games and facebook, and collect OUR money! What a crappy thing to do to a whole lot of peeps, and they wonder why we are no longer happy?!?
    • Brian Brekke  •  4 mths ago
      Well if the government would pay back all the money it supposedly borrowed from social security it would not be in the shape it is now....If when this program was set up everybody had their own S.S account earning intrest the government couldnt touch it....If they had taken steps to stop medicare fraud like having people call the person and ask if he or she actually had said treatment instead of relying on what the doctor is billing them for medicare would not be in the position it is in now....If these greedy politicans want a pension then they should be forced to pay into it 75 years in advance like they had the post office do they would of taken steps early on to stop this rampant out of control economic failures at all levels
    • Yahoo user  •  4 mths ago
      My father did not retire until he was 82. He started working part time when he was 16. He was in the service for two years and worked part time through college and then full time after that. That's over 60 years of work. Anyone who doesn't think that he has earned his social security and medicare can stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
    • unknown  •  Oklahoma City, Oklahoma  •  4 mths ago
      You are right. Not much difference between Republicans and Democrats as both want to cut both Social Security and Medicare for the middle class instead of taxing the rich or trying to fix the programs, $55 billion dollors on forgion aid,every cent of which should be cut before one penny is cut from social programs fo U.S, citizens. Social Security and Medicare taxes on every cent a person makes to fund the programs and they would be solvent for the next 75 years.
    • Sam  •  4 mths ago
      Angry that the recent buget was passed to continue to spend billions for military war games but we can't afford to care for our elderly. Canada, Norway, Austrialia, Denmark, N.Z.,Iceland all give EXCELLENT care to their elderly. Stop with this craziness!!!!!!!!!!!
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