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    Afghan president says talks with Taliban useless

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who for years pushed for reconciliation with the Taliban, now says attempts to negotiate with the insurgent movement are futile and efforts at dialogue should focus instead on neighboring Pakistan.

    Karzai explained in a videotaped speech released by his office Saturday that he changed his views about trying to talk to the Taliban after a suicide bomber, claiming to be a peace emissary sent by the insurgents, killed former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani at his home on Sept. 20. Rabbani was leading Karzai's effort to broker peace with the Taliban.

    "Their messengers are coming and killing. ... So with whom should we make peace?" Karzai said Friday to a gathering of the nation's top religious leaders that was videotaped.

    "I cannot find Mullah Mohammad Omar," Karzai said, referring to the Taliban's one-eyed leader. "Where is he? I cannot find the Taliban council. Where is it?

    "I don't have any other answer except to say that the other side for this negotiation is Pakistan," Karzai said.

    Most of the Taliban leadership is thought to be living in Pakistan, and its governing council — known as the Quetta Shura — is based in the southern Pakistani city of the same name. It has long been believed that the Pakistani government has sheltered and influenced the group.

    Afghanistan said Saturday it had evidence that Rabbani's assassination was planned by Taliban figures living in Quetta.

    Afghan Interior Minister Besmillah Mohammadi went even further, telling Afghan lawmakers Saturday that Pakistan's intelligence service, known as the ISI, was involved in Rabbani's killing — an allegation that Pakistan has denied. "Without any doubt, ISI, is involved in this," Mohammadi said.

    Last week, U.S. officials leveled accusations of their own, saying Pakistan's spy agency assisted the Haqqani network — a militant group allied with al-Qaida and the Taliban — in attacks on Western targets in Afghanistan. It was the most serious allegation yet of Pakistani duplicity in the 10-year war.

    The Pakistan-based Haqqani network has been described as the top security threat in Afghanistan.

    NATO said Saturday it captured Haji Mali Khan, a senior Haqqani leader inside Afghanistan, describing his arrest as a "significant milestone" in disrupting the terror group's operations.

    The group has been blamed for hundreds of attacks, including a 20-hour siege of the U.S. Embassy and NATO headquarters last month.

    The United States and other members of the international community have in the past accused Pakistan of allowing the Taliban, and the Haqqanis in particular, to maintain safe havens in the country's tribal areas along the Afghan border — particularly in North Waziristan.

    An Afghan government statement issued earlier in the past week said Pakistan had failed to take steps to eliminate terrorist sanctuaries. It added that if Pakistan's intelligence service is using the Taliban against Afghanistan, then the Afghan government needs to have negotiations with Pakistan, "not the Taliban."

    Khan, the Haqqani leader being held by NATO, was seized Tuesday during an operation in eastern Paktia province's Jani Khel district, which borders Pakistan, the alliance said.

    It was the most significant capture of a Haqqani leader in Afghanistan, and could dent the group's ability to operate along the porous border with Pakistan's lawless tribal areas.

    Shortly after NATO's announcement, Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid denied in a message to Afghan media that Khan had been arrested but provided no evidence that he was free.

    NATO described Khan as an uncle of Siraj and Badruddin Haqqani, two sons of the network's aging leader, Jalaluddin Haqqani.

    "He was one of the highest ranking members of the Haqqani network and a revered elder of the Haqqani clan," NATO said of Khan.

    During the operation Tuesday, Khan surrendered without resistance and NATO forces also arrested his deputy and bodyguard, along with a number of other insurgents, the alliance said.

    "The Haqqani network and its safe havens remain a top priority for Afghan and coalition forces," NATO concluded.

    The NATO statement said security forces have conducted more than 500 operations so far in 2011 in an effort to disrupt the Haqqani network leadership, resulting in the deaths of 20 operatives and the capture of nearly 300 insurgent leaders and 1,300 suspected Haqqani insurgents.

    In a related development, Afghanistan's intelligence service said Saturday it has given Pakistan hard evidence that Rabbani's assassination was planned in the southern outskirts of Quetta where key Taliban leaders are based.

    The Taliban have not claimed responsibility for killing Rabbani.

    Lutifullah Mashal, a spokesman for the Afghan intelligence service, provided the first details about where the assassination was allegedly planned at a news conference.

    "The place where Professor Rabbani's killing was planned is a town called Satellite near Quetta, Pakistan," Mashal told reporters. "The key person involved in the assassination of Rabbani has been arrested and he has provided lots of strong evidence about where and how it was planned. We have given all that evidence to the Pakistan embassy."

    The Afghan intelligence documents handed over to Pakistan's embassy in Kabul include the address, photographs and a layout of a house in Satellite, Mashal said. He said the Pakistanis also have been provided with the names of individuals who discussed Rabbani's assassination at the house in Satellite.

    Satellite Town is an upscale residential area very close to the city center and it is known to residents that Afghan Taliban live there.

    Mashal would not disclose the identity of the person in custody, saying only that he was a second-tier figure within the Taliban hierarchy.

    He said additional details would be released soon by a commission set up to investigate Rabbani's death.

    Asked what Afghanistan expected Pakistan to do with the information, Mashal referred the question to the Afghan Foreign Ministry and the commission.

    "This is all concrete evidence that nobody can ignore," he said.

    ___

    Deb Riechmann and Patrick Quinn contributed to this report from Kabul.

     

    813 comments

    • Manuel  •  7 mths ago
      You cannot hold a conversation with someone who does not want to hear.
      The extremism of these subjects is beyond the comprehension of any normal person.
      Unfortunately they are like dinosaurs; they must be exterminated so that history could take its course.
      • Colleen Fontenot 7 mths ago
        You got that right!
      • Matthew 7 mths ago
        "They, them, the others. Must Exterminate. Dinosaurs. The extremism of these subjects is beyond the comprehension of any normal person." Manuel, I know you do not possess a doctorate in Psychology or Psychiatry, you are not psychic, and you are not a man who for love of life and peace, has earned irrefutable insight into the hearts of all men on earth. Your vocabulary is as equally as extreme as a terrorist's. When does it end, Manuel? When do either one of you quit feeding the fire of hate and retaliation? When do you quit feeding the fire? When does it end?
      • Joex 7 mths ago
        Hello everyone my name Joe I am looking for a truth and if you can help me it would be major break thru in my researches.Long time before Russian revolution and Zionist movement European Ashkenazi Jewish descendants of Joseph son Manasseh not a Hazard's people from Central Asia weir escaping in to Palestine from brutal anti-Semites Russian Kings of Romanov dynasty.They are buying lands from Palestinians and creating Kibbutzim that was successful agricultural Jewish communities of hard working people.Sum Palestinians welcome Jewish and sum weir very hostile by attacking unarmed peaceful settlers and killing Palestinians who weir selling their lands to Jewish people.Palestinian Arabs star call them salve’s “Jewish of Medalist” and claim they are descendants of Philistines.That is false Philistines and Palestinian they are two different people.Palestinians they are descendants of Greek and Arab occupants of Israelis land and they train stop Jewish returns home at any coat.On historical day November 29, 1947 Israel was restored by United Nation on small porcine of historical Jewish land by proposal of USSR. Stalin plan was to create Israel from river Euphrates to river Nail as satellite of USSR.Zionist show cold shoulder to former alias of Hitler and Stalin immediately switch his bat on Arabs.Next day 11.30.1947 United Arab coalition lead by Egypt Syria Jordan with support of USSR attack Israel and in hours before invasion by request of Arabs coalition 1.5 million Palestinian walk out and clear the way for Egyptian air force start bombing Tal Aviv fallowing by three front invasion.After this illegal hostile action Palestinian became uninvited guests on the Jewish land.After every unsuccessful following wars Arabs always declare their victory over Israel and mean vial Jews weir liberating more land.We all know Torah not real-estate deed bat it is books of history witch Arab recognize thousand years before Mohamed by calling Jews “People of the book”Mohamed create short and alternated virgin of Torah for his own merchant convenient which call Koran.Torah never mentions self proclaim non-Jewish profit who was child molester and killer people who refused recognizes him as a profit. Mohamed declared himself a profit as Egyptian Pharaohs, Romans Empires, Persian and Greek Kings who declare themselves Gods all for money power and domination.Angel Gabriel never mansion to Mohamed that God give land Canaan to Abraham,Isaac,Jacob and their children forever and ever.Mohamed was an illiterate who married woman twice of his age over her money and become very rich and didn’t care to educate himself.Koran been written for him by somebody else after 300 hundred years after his death.His life and unholy deeds have been debated and criticized by his followers and opponents and after Mohamed death all his followers start kill each other over 15 centuries up today.The land of Israel ones was called land of Canaan sum of people who leaved on that land weir Philistines. Palestinians claim they are descendants of Philistines.That is false they are two different people.Palestinians are Greek and Arab descendants of occupiers who steal Jewish Land.Palestinian doesn’t like except two choices of reality go back where there ancestors came from or stay and be good neighbors. My suggestion if they chose to sate they must read book their brother Salmon Rushdie “Satanic Verses"maybe after reading his book they became real peace laving people.Salmon Rushdie in his book exposed Islam and false prophet Mohamed.Mohamed first crimes was he robbed and kill 300 Arabian Jews who refused recognizes him as their profit.Mohamed was killing Jews and stilling their possession until the end of his time.I am gassing again Gabriel forget mention to him it is very wrong and verses from Gen 15:18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates.
    • Art P  •  7 mths ago
      You don't negotiate with a rabid dog! You put it DOWN!
    • Cyrus Z  •  7 mths ago
      Well when you have a group of people that want nothing but total world domination of an ideology and "cleanse this world from infidels", Of course they won't talk in peace!
      • Cyrus Z 7 mths ago
        You know, I'm not saying that Christanity is perfect, but do you know how that religon is spread? From my experience of studying history, Christanity was spreading throughout the European world and other parts of course without war. At least in the beginning during the time Rome persecuted Christans. So if that religon was able to spread even during dire times, why can't Islam be the same? Unless I'm wrong.
      • johnson 7 mths ago
        YES, THE 700 CLUB MUST BE STOPPED.
      • susy 7 mths ago
        None of this has to do with religion. How about we try being tolerant for a while. The Quoran doesn't encourage violence anymore than Christianity does. People with agendas do that. The Taliban are fundamentalists which means they are idealists with an agenda that everyone follows or else. Wasn't it one of our own fundamentalists that blew up Oaklahoma City? Don't blame the religion. Blame the interpretation of the religion. No major religion in the world preaches violence.
    • PK  •  7 mths ago
      Unless Karzai gvt. has iron willpower and Afgan forces can dominate pak military , there is no use talking peace with either pak or tali.
      • whytruthhurts 7 mths ago
        karzi is only the president of Kabul, Ooops mayor.
      • John 7 mths ago
        Pk, you are so ignorant, Pakistan is a military power with nuclaer weapons, they have advanced military programs close to AMerica & China's levels,
      • ION486 7 mths ago
        Bush could take em down.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 mths ago
      The Taliban has got to go!
      • Cole 7 mths ago
        Go tell them that you brain dead fool
      • Satish 7 mths ago
        But the restroom is fully occupied.
      • c1 7 mths ago
        lol at satish and sigh dear DEE's simplicity but at least not hateful foaming at the mouth from him/her.. Just plain and to the point :D
    • Foggybrain  •  7 mths ago
      From someone who has been in Afghanistan 16 months... the average taliban is like any average Afghani... he may be a soldier in the newly formed ANA military.. he may be that guy serving your food in the chow line (yes, they hire locals to serve our food)... he may be that local national contractor building facilities on your camps... he may be some dignitary, or politician. They may not be super active, or it may not be immediately clear... but I can tell you this much, they are making money off of us, and they are being armed by us. They don't want us to leave.

      Iraq is another perfect example... now the time America is supposed to be pulling out, violence has escalated... they don't want us to leave there either... they are making billions off of us.

      We are not changin the hearts and minds of these people... some are indifferent to us, some see opportunity for us to be here, and some of those are Taliban.

      Just the way it is.... bring us home!
      • Becky Mon-chu 7 mths ago
        I agree with all you said. It is late in happening too. Thanks for your service :-)
      • johnson 7 mths ago
        Yes, blackwater, haliburton, chevron, exxon, making billions
      • Foggybrain 7 mths ago
        they are too...
    • GCNZ  •  7 mths ago
      Karzai says...'Trying to talk peace with insurgents is futile'. Wow...he FINALLY gets it.
    • shantyhollow  •  7 mths ago
      We cant afford to run the enemy out of every rathole country in the world .Lets fix our our rathole and strike back without occupation.
    • thinkinthat  •  7 mths ago
      Afghan president says talks with Taliban useless
      it took how many years and billions of our dollars and lives of our soldiers lost to FINALLY figure this one out??
    • Jus Reflectin  •  7 mths ago
      The entire afghan army and police is filled with Taliban loyalists spies.
    • Freedom  •  7 mths ago
      The whole #$%$ thing is useless,they been killing each other for thousands of years. When will we learn our objective is over get the hell out as fast as we can land transport planes. USE DRONES ONLY.
    • Craig  •  7 mths ago
      Terrorists don't want to negotiate or talk? No #$%$ Ronald Reagan told us that thirty years ago but some just don't listen.
    • pungowarrior  •  7 mths ago
      hope he's in GITMO right now, singing like a bird to his jailers. Get the intel, kill the enemy then get our people out of that rathole on the globe.
    • Bill  •  7 mths ago
      Everything about Islam is contrary to a civilized society, from its belief Muslims should control the world to the brutal fashion and the process they will go through to accomplish it. The teaching of the Koran is one of violence and hatred toward all non-beleivers and the indoctrination of their children into this way of life confirms it. The silence of Muslims considered to be moderate were dismayed when they danced and celebrated in our streets and worldwide on 9/11. Actions speak louder than words. Islam is war against our Judea/Christian God and his followers and its a war the Muslims intend to win at all costs. Their allegiance and loyalty lies only with the crazed clerics of war and destruction and they have no respect or compassion even for their own. The teachings in the Koran approves and encourages lying to non-beleivers and the truth is not in them. There has never been peace among the various Muslims and there will never be peace with any other people or nations on earth. The differences are endless and only fools would respect or trust them and those who have tried have regretted it. The goal and purpose of every Muslim accepted by a host nation is and remains to force their will, customs, practices, law, fantical beliefs and religion on that nation and its people. Appearances are deceiving but the truth and facts are revealing.
    • Richard B  •  7 mths ago
      then stop sending "our" billions to pakistan, what have they done for us? geesh
    • WELLWISHER  •  7 mths ago
      It took so long for Karzai to realize that! Where was his brain. You never negotiate with Terrorists. Period. Root them out!
    • Kevin  •  7 mths ago
      Taliban = Nazi
    • ME.AGAIN  •  7 mths ago
      If it's futile to try to talk with the taliban, then there seems to be only one solution. Eradicate them from the face of the earth. All efforts should be focused on just that. You cannot live at peace with an entity that wants to kill you. One or the other must die. I prefer that the taliban be the ones to die. I've kind of gotten rather fond of living.
    • the plumber  •  7 mths ago
      THE USA should get out and let those people kill each other and mind our own business, protect our own borders
    • NPC  •  7 mths ago
      The Taliban do not care about peace. They are waiting for the American military to leave so they can kill Karzai and rape, murder all the women that attended school. More drones are needed to kill these Taliban basterds.
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