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    AG Holder, Republicans square off over documents

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Eric Holder squared off Thursday with Republicans on a House committee who are demanding that the Justice Department turn over documents about its handling of congressional inquiries into a flawed gun-smuggling investigation, Operation Fast and Furious.

    Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee will do what is necessary to force the Justice Department to produce the information.

    The attorney general said he will consider Issa's demand. But he said, with one exception, the department was inclined to follow a longstanding tradition of withholding internal documents about congressional inquiries in order to preserve the ability to get candid advice from top officials.

    "I think you're hiding behind something here," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told Holder. "You ought to give us the documents. ... It appears we're being stonewalled."

    Burton, a former chairman of the committee, said he would urge Issa to seek a contempt of Congress citation if the Justice Department does not produce the congressionally subpoenaed documents.

    Issa has already threatened to seek a contempt ruling against Holder for failing to turn over the documents. The lawmaker, who has set Feb. 9 as a deadline for complying with the subpoena, alleges the Justice Department is engaging in a cover-up.

    "This has become political, that's fine," Holder said at the hearing, but there is no attempt "at a cover-up." The Justice Department, Holder insisted, "will continue to share huge amounts of information" about Fast and Furious.

    The department says Feb. 9 is too soon to process "the broad scope of the committee's requests." Some 6,000 documents have been produced, but the panel wants more than 70,000 more.

    Though neither side said so, negotiations are almost certain to be the next step.

    Before the hearing started, Issa introduced Holder to federal agent John Dodson, one of the whistleblowers in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who first told Congress a year ago about the use of a tactic known as gun-walking in the Phoenix-based Fast and Furious investigation.

    The tactic involves allowing suspected "straw" buyers of weapons to walk away from gun stores with their illicit purchases, rather than arresting them there. Instead, agents tried to track the low-level buyers and the guns to smuggling ringleaders and financiers, including Mexican drug cartel leaders, who have long eluded prosecution for their role in the flow of guns into Mexico.

    ATF's Phoenix division has tried this tactic, with minor variations, in at least four investigations beginning in 2006 during the George W. Bush administration. It began three such probes under Bush before launching Fast and Furious under Obama. All of the probes encountered problems.

    In Fast and Furious, agents lost track of nearly 1,400 of the more than 2,000 guns purchased by suspected straw buyers. Some 700 guns connected to suspects in the operation have been recovered in Mexico and the U.S., some at crime scenes, including the one near Nogales, Ariz., where border agent Brian Terry was murdered in December 2010.

    A month after Terry's death, Congress began hearing of problems with the probe. Under pressure from lawmakers, Holder has shaken up the leadership of ATF, and the Justice Department's inspector general is conducting an internal investigation of the operation.

    After multiple congressional hearings, including six appearances by Holder, Republicans were still voicing outrage Thursday.

    Guns that walked in Fast and Furious are going to show up in Arizona "from here to whenever," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz. "We should be sharing information."

    On Wednesday, Deputy Attorney General James Cole said the department will provide documents created after Feb. 4, 2011, the day the department gave incorrect information to Congress about Fast and Furious.

    Cole said the department had made an exception to longstanding policy in order to provide material on how the erroneous Feb. 4 letter was created, but he said other documents about the congressional inquiries on Fast and Furious would not be turned over.

    In the Feb. 4 letter to Congress, the department said federal agents made every effort to intercept illegally purchased weapons. But in reality, agents in Fast and Furious employed the risky gun-walking strategy of trying to track the weapons after purchase by small-time, illicit buyers in order to make cases against ringleaders.

    Allowing guns to "walk" — "whether in this administration or in the prior one — is wholly unacceptable," Holder said. He said the tactic appears to have been a misguided effort to stem the alarming number of illegal firearms trafficked each year from the United States to Mexico.

    A Republican staff memo created for the hearing questioned why federal agents allowed the probe to go on for over a year.

    Intercepts from a Drug Enforcement Administration wiretap on one of the suspects provided probable cause for federal agents to make arrests, or at the very least supplied the basis to seize the weapons, the Republican staff memo said. The memo said ATF did not act on this information.

    Agents could have arrested one of the suspects in December 2009 and used his arrest to work their way up the ladder to the two cartel associates, the staff memo said.

    "Instead, ATF wanted to get its own federal wiretaps and create its own big case," said the GOP memo. "This decision ensured that Fast and Furious lasted nearly a year longer, with 1,500 more guns being purchased — including the guns bought by another of the suspects in January 2010" found at the Terry murder scene.

    Democrats on the committee pointed out that agents in the case testified that stronger U.S. laws are needed against straw buyers, because cases get thrown out of court, or prison sentences are too short, to persuade the low-level buyers to turn on their bosses.

     
    • Ronald W  •  Ventura, California  •  3 mths ago
      Nixon exposed how the people feel when they get the job of president. During an interview he was in a corner about doing something illegal. He stated something was only illegal unless the president does it. That is not what I want America to be. Holder needs to have the screws put to him.
    • Big Leo  •  Gila Bend, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      The best part of the story is that Arizona gun buyers and other Arizona gun owners noticed the odd sales and tried to turn in the buyers. The Feds told them to shut up. So who should we trust to regulate gun sales? The Feds or the law abiding dealers and citizens?
      • lk-'52 3 mths ago
        Excellent post Leo!!
        Thanks!
      • dogdude 3 mths ago
        You mean the law-abiding gun dealers about whom it was recently discovered that nearly 60% of their sales don't comply with Federal law, including background checks? Those dealers? Also, Leo, since your state is the Wild West of guns, why is your crime rate so much higher than California's, where gun laws are less lenient? Because all we ever hear from the gun nut crowd is how more lenient gun laws result in fewer crimes, despite the fact it isn't true.
      • DUB 3 mths ago
        Dogdude, you need to educate yourself by staying off the liberal commie websites, and logon to NRA.org. Wise up, doofus!

        Frankly, I trust very little anything having to do with the government. I'm keeping my powder dry (if you get my drift)
    • PaulC  •  3 mths ago
      I can't wait for Holder to take Mac riches spot in "da Joint".
    • free USA  •  3 mths ago
      CHARGE HIM AND HIS ACCOMPLICES.

      He's dirtier than the Mafia. At least the Mafia have some respect.

      Can't wait for the new whistle blower investigation starts. His signing off, cover up, of at least 2 of his prosecutors taking bribes from financial institutions, 1 1/2 years ago.

      YEP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • BT  •  3 mths ago
      So libitards, is it bush or fox news's fault.
      • stanley m 3 mths ago
        That's not the issue here.The issue is gabage like you who can't approach anything in a civilized fashion.
      • . 3 mths ago
        What a whiner. Go home to mommy Stan. Always okay when it's liberals doing the most vile name calling imaginable, but the word libtard upsets your delicate nature. Give me a break you freakin' hypocrite.
      • Spider 3 mths ago
        Stanley, you have man seed on your face.
    • texas_spread  •  3 mths ago
      "The attorney general said he will consider Issa's demand. But he said, with one exception, the department was inclined to follow longstanding tradition of withholding internal documents about congressional inquiries in order to preserve the ability to get candid advice from top officials." HMMMMMMMMMMM.....so much for B-HOle's transparency....LMAO at demoncraps. ABO in 2012
    • David  •  Monona, Iowa  •  3 mths ago
      Holder should be in jail
    • copper creek  •  Montesano, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      Thank God for the agents who came forward and exposed this. They were willing to sacrifice thier careers but not thier integrity.
    • Try2bResponsible  •  Baton Rouge, Louisiana  •  3 mths ago
      Holder claims the documents can't be turned over because the criminal negligence exposed would stifle the inept execution of justice at the justice department. Makes sense to me!
      • MIKE90260 3 mths ago
        vote Libertarian and have ethics in DC..
    • Kenneth  •  3 mths ago
      "voice of reason" cannot handle the truth
    • Thewoodman  •  3 mths ago
      Let's see, Holder doesn't know anything about "fast and furious" but knows about 16 sports websites which he shut down today. Very curious to me.
      • Noel 3 mths ago
        It appears that sports websites are the next threat after Iran.
    • j  •  Dallas, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      I can feel the paper shredding machines cranking up.
      • AtomicWedgie 3 mths ago
        Me too :)
      • Boycott Ukraine 3 mths ago
        LOL! I disagree. I think they're just about ready to shut them down. They've likely already shredded the 90,000 documents they claim they had.
    • Steve  •  Sunnyvale, California  •  3 mths ago
      Congress better grow a spine when dealing with the executive branch on a number of issues or this nation will be a de facto dictatorship. Wait until the executive branch controls our healthcare "privileges" and we will then be de facto vassals.
    • JJS  •  3 mths ago
      Holder, Blaggo, Rezco are all Chicago thugs headed in the same direction.
    • GEY  •  3 mths ago
      Holder’s No. 2 in 2009: Gunwalking, Fast and Furious a ‘terrific idea’!!

      What is Obama and Holder trying to cover up???? Over 80,000 pages of documents with E-mails since Feb. 4 of 2010 and Congress has gotten only 7,000 pages to-date and Holder will not release them plus we have peeps in DOJ taking the 5th. Something is rotten in Denmark.

      Head of the DOJ Criminal Division and Attorney General Eric Holder’s highest-ranking deputy, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, called Operation Fast and Furious and gun walking a “terrific idea” in emails to now-former Acting Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Director Ken Melson back in late 2009, according a report released by Republican staff of the House Oversight Committee. "We will be assign an attorney to help you coordinate this effort.” According to the Republican Oversight Committee staffers’ report, Breuer — Holder’s number two — assigned a prosecutor to help ATF handle Fast and Furious. That attorney, according to DOJ E-mails, was Joe Cooley. But on Wednesday, Deputy Attorney General James Cole denied that Breuer and Melson assign'd him to Fast and Furious and he knew anything about it, yet E-mails prove him wrong and they are all lying to Congress under oath. Release the other 73,000 pages of E-mails on Fast and Furious Holder.
    • P  •  Canyon Country, California  •  3 mths ago
      Time to lock up holder an all of his cronies, i am sick of this crap, what happened to the promise of transparency. Holder is a liar this administration is a joke, we need to fire the top tiers of our government.
    • 2012  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 mths ago
      Eric, The Cartels called; Their getting low on Ammunition.
    • Yep Yep  •  3 mths ago
      Holder is a Jacka---- and needs to go. Take Obama and Saul Alinsky with him.
    • CIA ran 9-11  •  3 mths ago
      Holder should be in federal prison. If YOU OR I smuggled guns to cartels, even if no one was killed, what do you think would happen. It just makes me sick how the democrats are defending this creep who has already perjured himself SEVERAL times. If he was a republican I would be saying the same thing, but thanks to partisanship and sheer stupidity, many democrats apparently don't have the honor God gave to dryer lint. Lanny Bruer needs to be in federal prison too.
    • Gary  •  Brandenburg, Kentucky  •  3 mths ago
      Eric Holder, if you have nothing to hide, release the documents.
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