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    AP Exclusive: Barrier proposed as Israel border

    RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) — Israel is proposing to essentially turn its West Bank separation barrier into the border with a future state of Palestine, two Palestinian officials said Friday, based on their interpretation of principles Israel presented in talks this week.

    The officials said Israeli envoy Yitzak Molcho told his Palestinian counterpart that Israel wants to keep east Jerusalem and consolidate Jewish settlements behind the separation barrier, which slices close to 10 percent off the West Bank. They spoke on condition of anonymity, citing strict no-leaks rules by Jordanian mediators.

    The proposal would fall short of what the Palestinians seem likely to accept, especially because it would leave Jerusalem on the "Israeli" side of the border.

    But it would also mark a significant step for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has spent most of his career as a staunch opponent of Palestinian independence.

    And if talks advance in such a direction, it could also spell the end for his nationalist coalition, where key members would consider the abandonment of most of the West Bank — a strategic highland and biblical heartland — an unforgivable betrayal.

    Israel has confirmed that it presented principles this week for drawing a border with a Palestinian state. But the politically charged nature of the talks — even though they were held at a relatively low level, below that of Cabinet ministers — was reflected in the guarded refusal by any top official to discuss details.

    An Israeli government official said that as far as he knew, the information was incorrect, but declined to elaborate or go on the record, citing Jordan's demand for discretion.

    Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor, one of the closest Cabinet ministers to Netanyahu, said he has been supporting such an offer for months, and that Israel should concentrate on preserving the large West Bank settlement blocs, close to the pre-1967 border. But he could not confirm whether the offer was in fact made.

    "I do not know if (Molcho) said these words exactly, but it would be great," Meridor told The Associated Press.

    The Palestinian officials — one a senior member of the leadership — said Molcho told the Palestinians that Israel wants to live peacefully beside a Palestinian state.

    It would be the most detailed offer yet from Netanyahu on how much he wants to keep of the lands Israel captured in the 1967 Mideast War — the West Bank, Gaza and east Jerusalem.

    The Palestinians want to establish their state in virtually all of these lands — although they do seem ready to accept minor adjustments, through land swaps in which Israel keeps some of the largest settlements.

    Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is certainly unlikely to consider a proposal that keeps east Jerusalem under Israeli control. The eastern sector of the city is home to key Jewish, Muslim and Christian sites.

    And Israel's position, as described by the Palestinians, is less than what was offered by Netanyahu's predecessors, Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert, who were willing to discuss a partition of Jerusalem as well.

    About half a million Israelis settled in east Jerusalem and the West Bank after 1967, including tens of thousands east of the barrier.

    Israel started building the barrier in 2002, in the midst of a Palestinian uprising that included scores of deadly attacks by Palestinian militants who crossed from the West Bank into Israel and blew themselves up among civilians.

    Israelis have generally credited the barrier — along with other punitive measures — with stopping the spate of incursions several years ago.

    However, it was routed in a way that raised questions about Israel's claim that it was a temporary security measure — weaving through the West Bank, looping wide around some settlements to leave room for expansion, and looking very much like a border a future Israeli government might argue for. The Palestinians condemned it from the start as a land grab.

    The Palestinian officials also said that Molcho portrayed the Jordan Valley, which makes up about one-fourth of the West Bank and borders Jordan, as a strategic Israeli security asset. However, that wording suggests less than a demand for firm territorial control.

    Netanyahu has said he wants a continued Israeli presence on the eastern border of a future Palestinian state as part of any peace deal.

    Netanyahu has long argued Israel needs the area as a security buffer — protection against possible attack from the east.

    The 1994 peace treaty with Jordan eased this concern — but the Arab Spring has given it new life: although it is almost never discussed by officials, mindful of riling Jordan, many in Israel ponder a nightmare scenario in which the Jordanian monarchy falls to Israel's enemies, who then pour weapons and militants into the West Bank, reaching within miles (kilometers) from its major cities.

    A senior Israeli military official said last week the Israeli army had to consider in its planning the possibility of heightened threats from east of the West Bank.

    Israeli officials have said any presence in the Jordan Valley could be reviewed over time.

    Abbas, meanwhile, is under growing pressure from the Quartet of Mideast mediators — the U.S., the U.N., the EU and Russia — to continue the talks with Israel, which began earlier this month. The Quartet had asked the sides to present detailed proposals on borders and security arrangements.

    The Palestinians argue that the period set aside for the contacts ended Thursday, or three months after the Quartet issued its marching orders. Israel says the intention was to have three months of talks, and so wants meetings to continue.

    Abbas will consult Monday with senior officials from the Palestine Liberation Organization and his Fatah movement. Later next week, he will also seek advice from the Arab League.

    ___

    Perry reported from Tel Aviv, Israel.

     
    • Native Born American  •  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      The Middle East gives us a chance to observe how the existing inhabitants felt about the European incursion into what is now the Uniuted States. Stolen land,broken treaties, agressive acts that resulted in attacks that gave an excuse for retaliation.
    • jared a  •  San Diego, California  •  3 mths ago
      Why does all this #$%$ have to matter? You people are insane. Just listen to the comments against Israel. They are ridiculous and wholly centered around hate that stems from fear, jealousy and a lack of education while many people miss the point that the Palestinians need there own state! What's worse? People don't even recognize the fact that NO arab nations are interested in being PRO-Palestine, and rather ANTI-Israel. The whole situation is unproductive, and perhaps if the Jews in Israel weren't threatened on a daily basis just for being alive, they'd be more interesting in improving their world image. Otherwise, they are in it to survive. period.
      • jared a 3 mths ago
        interested*
      • usjustice101 3 mths ago
        @Jared: All too true! At least there is one clear thinker on this board!
      • Truth Squad 3 mths ago
        Lack of education and facts lead zionist controlled media the ability to fool the ignorant and portray Israel as a victim
    • Truth Squad  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  3 mths ago
      They want to get on with it so they can war monger with other neighbors
      Sad we will be dragged in to it although not in our interests Anvil around our neck
    • BadMan  •  3 mths ago
      On the bright side, they are talking about a separate Palistinian State, just like Palestinians have been asking for.

      It's just the start of the process, and the border is far from set. Leaders from Israel and the Palestinians have to stop "leaking" the parts they dissagree with and negotiate something both side can live with.
      • Banana Kiwi 3 mths ago
        You need to be president.
      • Tai-274-Wan 3 mths ago
        How come Israel and Palesine just doesn't assimilate. Instead of just one on the other side. that way, they would not have to halve Jerusalem.
    • riyada  •  Santa Clara, California  •  3 mths ago
      israel will be overrun by palestinians. the palestinians are populating at a much faster pace than the euro-israelis.
    • neford20007  •  Boston, Massachusetts  •  3 mths ago
      The Fatah requirement that Israel give back East Jerusalem and settlements is a charade. What Fatah and Hamas want is self perpetuating leadership over the years. Every promise is in the future.. The Jerusalem Post estimated that the return of East Jerusalem would cost the Israelis about 150 billion dollars based on costs associated with leaving Gaza. Obviously, it's not going to happen. It doesn't matter how many countries vocally side with the PLO as to future borders since their statements are meaningless--just attempts to increase tourism and appease oil producers. The acquisition of the land by the arabs means little if they don't know how to use it. Witness Egypt with 99% of the people living on 5% of the land (meditteranean and nile).

      What the Palestinians need to do is to choose another party and to become a country by being prudent. Take the offer as to the land, have the Israelis come in to set up irrigation and roads,
      have the Israelis contribute moniess to Palestine from their tourism dollars and decrease it each year as Palestine becomes more self sufficient, and increase the numbers of Palestinians working in Israel so that Palestine can tax their earnings. Arabs working in Israel make much more than arabs working in Palestine (minimum wage laws). Israel will need more workers starting next year because of natural gas production and the possible med-red rail line.Israel would rather have palestine arabs working because they don't have to build housing for them.
      Time is running out for the arabs, though. Each year Israel will offer less land (because they can)
      The arabs don't create private sector jobs. Israel does.
      • ghostiegirl 3 mths ago
        UM..NO.We do not mind tolerating them as neighbors but we do not owe them jobs in our country.They have not proven to be close to trust worthy.Example...they just celebrated the 1 year anniversary of the slaughtering of the Fogels by the hands of 7 PALESTINIANS.They PRAISED them for stabbing a 3 month old..So no....we do not owe them anymore of our land or access to slaughter anymore Jews.They can buikd their country themselves as we did.We worked hard and sacrificed even more.We keep tradition and honor.We do not have capital punishment because of how we love life...but not with them.They crawl through tunnels to kidnap our people...I understand your thinking but it is off course.Let Egypt,Jordan,Syria...ect..let those they share ideals with help them...we do not owe them.
    • Yannis  •  3 mths ago
      Arabialand is around Mecca
      • Hamza 3 mths ago
        and jewishland is Haifa
    • GrapeNut  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      All of Israel belongs to the Jewish people NOT the palestinians and Israel should NOT give up any more of her land!
      • Time 3 mths ago
        Palestine is Arab land for Arab jews, Arab christians and Arab moslems. NOT FOR EURO ETHNIC CLEANSERS WHO CONVERTED TO JUDAISM! But go ahead missy, be a racist pig all you want hahahahaha!
      • usjustice101 3 mths ago
        @Time: Considering the palestinians have clearly stated that only muslims (and deffinitely no jews) will be able to reside OR visit their future palestinian state AND, further considering that mulsims and christians alike reside peacefully and prosperously in Israel, one would HAVE to say that it's the palestinians who are into ethinc cleansing, not the jews!
      • usjustice101 3 mths ago
        @Time: But go ahead and be a hypocrite -- it seems to suit you muslimes just fine!
    • Jawad Yousof  •  3 mths ago
      You guys either you do not know what you are talking about or you may be deliberately vomiting hot air. There is no more PLO. It is now Fatah mafia that is benefiting from the current Palestinians state of no war and no peace.
    • Ēqualizer  •  Beaverton, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      Vista, shall we examine the Hamas Charter next?
    • Jawad Yousof  •  3 mths ago
      The PLO charter has decayed. There is no more PLO. There is the mafia Fatah, in their path room their charter to clean their as with.
    • Jawad Yousof  •  3 mths ago
      The PLO of the past has departed. The newly PLO is a corrupted movement after wealth. They are willing to accept even Satan for money. This mafia is a chameleon in that region too. The PLO has done more damage to the Palestinians than Israel.
    • Sargon Sawa  •  3 mths ago
      The Hamastinians use their children as human shield and as a tool of propaganda to demonize the Israelis.
    • MR26.2  •  Glendale, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      BTW ARAB Palis never had an INDEPENDENT nation after 1948 WAR.

      Jordan governed East Jerusalem and West Bank, and Egypt governed Gaza.

      The 1948 War never ended in a peace treaty. ARAB League continued to support invasion of Israel resulting in IDF pre-emptive strike in 1967 and won. Then in 1973 ARAB League launched a counter invasion and lost. As of today, ARAB League is still at war with Israel with the exception of Egypt and Jordan.

      To sum it up- ARAB Palis need to stop asking for a silver platter, after all they do not have an independent nation to begin with. Jordan and Egypt govern the territories that ARAB Palis is asking for an independent nation.
    • Banana Kiwi  •  3 mths ago
      THIS IS TRULY THE BEST NEWS I HEARD THIS YEAR.
      It's good for us Israelis and for the Palestinians, we are moving on with the negotiations, peace is possible.
    • Yannis  •  3 mths ago
      The Jordan river is the east Israeli border and not the wall.
    • me  •  3 mths ago
      Note to Abu Mazen: Cut a deal already, half a loaf is better than none when your people are starving. You cannot eat ideology.
    • dcb4357  •  Vincennes, Indiana  •  3 mths ago
      the wall is a last line of defense against racist bigoted psychotic homicidal genetically defective barbarians, not a border. you lost area c, area b you have to share with jews, if you like it or not, and area a will be your "homeland"; unless you start the jihad up and you may be hiking with your donkeys and goats 20 miles and be in jordan and the "palestinian homeland" will be iran's proxy state in gaza. the israelis won. you lost. the russians are israel's friend and the europeans just want it all to go away and the us presidents know if they p.o. the jews and christians too much by attacking israel they will be voted out. you are throwing anything you have to throw at the wall(no pun intended) but nothing sticks. civilize, quit being the only people on earth, besides the #$%$ infidels in iran , who keep demanding genocide like hitler's love children with the cross-dressing grand mufti and suck it up. admit to yourselves you are acting like idiots and lunatics and behave. and maybe then you can run your knock off jordanian flag up the pole over your collections of whitewashed hovels and call it a country and the israelis will then open their booming, SUCCESSFUL , country to you. until then, take a hike. have a nice day.
    • THE OCTOGENARIAN  •  Boynton Beach, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      Anybody want to make a bet that the Palistinians blow it again.???
    • Take that  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 mths ago
      The Palis have got to be playing stupid. Israel's message is pretty clear: "Get to the negotiation table!" If I were Netanyahu, I would have one precondition for Abbas- Prove that he can enforce a ceasefire. He can't, IMO. And that means he has nothing to trade in a peace negotiation.
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