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    AP IMPACT: New light on drone war's death toll

    ISLAMABAD (AP) — American drone strikes inside Pakistan are killing far fewer civilians than many in the country are led to believe, according to a rare on-the-ground investigation by The Associated Press of 10 of the deadliest attacks in the past 18 months.

    The widespread perception in Pakistan that civilians, not militants, are the principal victims — a view that is fostered by leading right-wing politicians, clerics and the fighters themselves — fuels pervasive anti-American sentiment and, some argue, has swelled the ranks of al-Qaida and the Taliban.

    But an AP reporter who spoke to about 80 villagers at the sites of the 10 attacks in North Waziristan, the main sanctuary for militants in Pakistan's northwest tribal region along the Afghan border, was told that a significant majority of the dead were combatants.

    Indeed, the AP was told by the villagers that of at least 194 people killed in the attacks, about 70 percent — at least 138 — were militants. The remaining 56 were either civilians or tribal police, and 38 of them were killed in a single attack on March 17, 2011.

    Excluding that strike, which inflicted one of the worst civilian death tolls since the drone program started in Pakistan, nearly 90 percent of the people killed were militants, villagers said.

    But the civilian deaths in the covert CIA-run program raise legal and ethical concerns, especially given Washington's reluctance to speak openly about the strikes or compensate the families of innocent victims.

    U.S. officials who were shown the AP's findings rejected the accounts of any civilian casualties but declined to be quoted by name or make their own information public.

    The U.S. has carried out at least 280 attacks since 2004 in Pakistan's tribal region. The area is dangerous and off-limits to most reporters, and death tolls from the strikes usually rely on reports from Pakistani intelligence agents speaking on condition of anonymity.

    The numbers gathered by the AP turned out to be very close to those given by Pakistani intelligence on the day of each strike, the main difference being that the officials often did not distinguish between militants and civilians.

    Drone attacks began during the Bush administration. President Barack Obama has ramped them up significantly since he took office but slowed them down in recent months because of increased tension between the U.S. and Pakistan caused by American airstrikes that accidentally killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November.

    Pakistan responded by kicking the U.S. out of a base used to service American drones, but the move is not expected to affect the program significantly.

    The AP study paints a much different picture from that advanced by important Pakistani opinion-shapers.

    Syed Munawar Hasan, head of the country's most powerful Islamist party, Jamaat-e-Islami, recently claimed on TV that the strikes "are killing nearly 100 percent innocent people."

    Imran Khan, a popular opposition politician close to some right-wing Islamic groups, addressed a cheering crowd last April and said: "Those who lie to the nation after every drone attack and say terrorists were killed should be ashamed."

    He called for journalists and activists to go to the tribal region to see that the strikes were killing civilians, not militants.

    Some analysts have been skeptical about carrying out on-the-ground investigations, assuming villagers would follow the militants' narrative of high civilian death tolls to avoid reprisals. But the AP study showed otherwise. While some villagers spoke on condition of anonymity saying they feared for their safety, others let their names be published.

    Many knew the dead civilians personally. They also said one way to distinguish civilians from militants was by counting funerals, because the bodies of dead militants would usually be whisked away for burial elsewhere.

    An attack near Miran Shah before dawn on Aug. 10, 2011, was one of six on the AP's list in which villagers said no civilians died.

    A drone fired missiles at a large brick compound, killing at least 20 Afghan and Pakistani Taliban fighters, said Sajjad Ali, a local driver. The compound hit was known as a rest house for militants run by the Haqqani network, an Afghan group focused on fighting foreign troops in Afghanistan, he said.

    The charred bodies were hastily buried in a graveyard more than a mile (2 kilometers) away, said Ali, who spoke to several people who attended the burial. Those who attended were not allowed to see the victims' faces, he said.

    A second man who spoke to people who attended the burial confirmed Ali's account. He requested anonymity.

    Before dawn on April 22, 2011, a drone fired missiles at the guest room of a large compound in Hasan Khel, a village in the mountains dominated by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a Pakistani militant commander fighting foreign troops in Afghanistan.

    The strike killed 25 people, including 20 militants, three children and two women, said Mamrez Gul, who owns a shop near the site of the attack. The militants were staying in the guest room, and the civilians were sleeping in a nearby room that was also destroyed by the blasts. A funeral was held for the women and children, but the bodies of the militants were taken away, said Mamrez Gul.

    He said the women and children were relatives of the compound's owner, Gul Sharif, a militant commander loyal to Bahadur. He survived the attack, said two villagers, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    A U.S. counterterrorism official in Washington said no women and children were observed in the compound before the strike. But Mamrez Gul, taxi driver Noor Habib Wazir and farmer Gul Paenda Khan said they attended the funeral of the women and children.

    A strike on August 14, 2010, on a compound in Issori Boikhel village also illustrated the danger to civilians who live close to militants. The attack killed seven Pakistani Taliban fighters and seven tribesmen, said Shera Deen, the owner of the compound that was hit. Safir Ullah, a student, corroborated the casualty count, as did a third villager who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    Deen, who was not in the compound when it was attacked, said he lost two sons, a brother and three nephews, one of them 10 years old.

    The seventh tribesman killed was 26-year-old Sohrab Khan, who was leading evening prayers for the Islamic holy month of Ramadan when the missiles struck, the villagers said. According to them, the Taliban fighters entered the compound to join the prayers, which would explain why they were bunched together with civilians.

    The tribesmen were buried in a graveyard with a wooden headstone indicating they were victims of a drone attack, the villagers said. The Taliban fighters were buried in a different corner of the same graveyard in an unmarked grave, they said.

    U.S. counterterrorism officials disputed the death tolls and other details of some of the strikes, including the exact locations. One said the U.S. "had no reliable evidence" that civilians were killed in any of the strikes examined and questioned the reliability of villagers' accounts.

    The officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because the drone program is classified.

    Regarding the March 17, 2011, strike on Shiga village, the bloodiest attack investigated by the AP, U.S. officials familiar with drone operations said the group targeted was heavily armed, some of its members were connected to al-Qaida, and all "acted in a manner consistent with AQ (al-Qaida)-linked militants."

    But villagers and Pakistani officials said the missiles hit a community meeting, or jirga, held to resolve a mining dispute, killing four Pakistani Taliban fighters and 38 civilians and tribal police.

    The militants were there because they controlled the area and any decision made would need their approval, said Gul Ahmed, a farmer.

    Citing the number visible in the monitoring before and during the attack, U.S. officials said the total of dead was roughly half what villagers reported. But Ahmed said there were 42 caskets lined up at the funeral, and he provided the victims' names.

    Christopher Rogers, a lawyer who has studied civilian casualties in Pakistan from drone attacks and other military action, said that regardless of casualty tolls, the U.S. still needed to make the program more transparent to prove it is complying with international laws on who may be targeted and measures to minimize the loss of innocent lives.

    "The percentage of militants killed is an important piece of this, but it is one piece of a larger picture," said Rogers, who works at Open Society Foundations, an advocacy group in New York City. "The bigger issue here is the covert nature of the program, the complete lack of any transparency and accountability and the lack of information about how the U.S. distinguishes a militant from a civilian."

    The drone program is so secretive that only last month did Obama publicly acknowledge its existence. He said the strikes "have not caused a huge number of civilian casualties," but gave no details.

    Rights organizations have been unable to verify the number of civilian casualties caused by drones because of the danger and difficulty of getting to sites.

    One London-based group, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism, has published drone casualty figures based on media reports, witness testimony and other information. It said strikes have killed between 2,383 and 3,109 people, of whom 464 to 815 were civilians. That implies the percentage of militants killed was roughly 70 to 80 percent. The group said an unidentified U.S. counterterrorism official insisted its civilian casualty figures were much too high.

    A poll conducted in May 2011 by the U.S.-based Pew Research Center found that overwhelming majorities of Pakistanis who were aware of drone strikes said they were a bad thing and killed too many innocents. Pakistani officials regularly criticize the strikes as violations of the country's sovereignty, but there has long been some level of Pakistani acquiescence or help in the program.

    Pakistani intelligence officials said a suspected U.S. drone crashed Saturday near Mir Ali, one of the main towns in North Waziristan, and caught fire after hitting the ground. The officials said the drone was believed to have crashed because of technical problems.

    A U.S. official denied reports that the drone was shot down. Both officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the classified program.

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    Associated Press writer Zarar Khan in Islamabad contributed to this report.

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    • Jes  •  Dallas, Texas  •  2 mths ago
      I like stories that are published with facts, and have actual corroborating stories, names, locations, details and dates. Its like actual journalism, and its pretty rare
      • Jah Bless 2 mths ago
        this is propaganda. not journalism.
      • Brian F 2 mths ago
        to list the names of the agents would be to issue thema death sentence in that barbarick region.
      • Patrick 2 mths ago
        I'm sorry Jes, but you are the blind little sheep that propogandists love...you actually believe it. You like articles that are published with facts?? Why is it that not one source was cited that could back up this story?? You poor pathetic little thing...
    • L0L  •  2 mths ago
      We should get more armed drones patrolling the borders to take out Drug Cartels. The Afghan/Pakistani border is right around a similar size. If we can do it there, why can't we do it here?
      • ChadK 2 mths ago
        It's not part of their plan..........
      • MichaelA 2 mths ago
        Mexico is Obama's friend.
      • Elliott 2 mths ago
        The GOP and their lobbyist support cheap illegal labor, they can't stop it, they haven't in 40 years and bush and the GOP refused after 9/11.
    • MindWideOpen  •  2 mths ago
      There were atleast 25,000 German civilians killed in the Dresden bombing (in one air raid) in WW II and it was considered the "collateral damage" that comes with war....No headlines other than we were kicking the shizen out of the Germans...

      War is stupid, war is ugly, war is hell....(and yeah I been in one)
      • A Yahoo! User 2 mths ago
        the real number of deaths in the fire bombing of dresden were 240000
        the city was packed full with refugees and we knew it
      • PrimordialS 2 mths ago
        Around 66,000 died in the bombing of Hiroshima, another 70,000 at Nagasaki.
      • Kevin 2 mths ago
        It was a different time and Germany could have stopped the bombing by surrendering earlier.... My Grandfather still cries when reminded of WWII (B17 Bombadier over Germany). At 90 years old, he is still tormented with the loss of friends and the unknowns at the end of the bombs he dropped....
    • Anonymous  •  2 mths ago
      Pakistan lying? Anti-American sentiment in the Middle East? US Military not actually wantonly murdering civilians? What Earth-shattering news.
      • Norman 2 mths ago
        If the Twin Towers had not fell, if we had not lost four thousand lives, it is a good probability that we wouldn't be in Afghanistan nor Iraq nor any where else in force in the Middle East. We pay our bills and sometimes with interest. Mr. Anonymouse, I added the e because its more beffitting you. And yes we are kicking butt and taking names. We even shot one of Bin Laden's civilian wives number 3, I think, the other two had better sense than standing too close to him in the presence of a United States Seal and it was wanton. Wait for more wanton news as Iran takes center stage.
      • ponytail 2 mths ago
        Yea, right?
    • pamela  •  2 mths ago
      This is not new. Remember Vietnam? The cries and outrages of our troops killing innocent people as if it were an act of racism? It's a difficult war when you don't know the enemy. Wars where civilians are used as shields and coereced by the enemy to do bad things if they want to live. War is no longer honorable, if it ever was.
      • Paul M 2 mths ago
        The anti-war demonstrations and propaganda were the work of 'professional street organizers' paid by communist agents. Their works were very destructive to those who served.
        ANYTIME you see a large demonstration, it is the work of paid professional organizers, designed to apply what they call "bottom up" pressure on Congress. Embedded communist legislators then take advantage of the political climate to push through bills that ordinarily would never pass. That's the 'top down' pressure. Its coorinated..
      • Robert 2 mths ago
        Yep, the infants and children in Mai Lai might have grow up to be commies, good thing you killed them America.
      • Spoiler Lief 2 mths ago
        Yeah, and we even made songs about the "hero" Lt. Kelly who did that.
    • Dan  •  Louisville, Kentucky  •  2 mths ago
      A big improvement over WWII where civilians were killed by the tens of thousands in the war effort.
    • OldDan  •  2 mths ago
      The US did not intentionally kill civilians. The militants hide in the civilian population.
      Both al-Qaida and the Taliban will murder the civilians, their neighbors, their friends, without any thought or regret. Where is their body count?
    • bill  •  2 mths ago
      Imagine that! The Pakistani government lies and the Pakistani population is uninformed, ignorant and unquestioning.
    • bopdaddy  •  Johnston City, Illinois  •  2 mths ago
      note to US government don't enter this numbers game
      Stay silent and let others run their mouths
    • `OC  •  2 mths ago
      Allies killed 42,600 and wounded 36,000 (+/-) in one bombing raid on Hamburg in WWII....War is suppose to be dirty, keeps people from going to war.
    • resolve well  •  Aledo, Illinois  •  2 mths ago
      killing is like a video game now.
    • Jack  •  2 mths ago
      Drones and a few Navy Seals could take care of every terrorist. Bring our servicemen and tax dollars back to America. Our military is a mighty fighting force, not a police force.
    • Robertaa  •  2 mths ago
      If the militants don't distance themselves from non-combatant family members there are going to be civilian casualties in drone attacks.
    • JimL  •  2 mths ago
      You harbor terrorists, you die with them.
    • ZANDRA  •  Elmhurst, Illinois  •  2 mths ago
      If you know that a terrorist is living next door,and the drone is going to be coming soon,pack up you rocks and move..
    • Kevin  •  2 mths ago
      As long as we don't have drones flying around the states.... Stop light cameras are bad enough......
    • Polaris  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  2 mths ago
      Pakistan gets fighter jets (F-16's) as well as substantial aid from the U.S. Do you think they get this with nothing to give in return? That's why Drone strikes happen there..don't be naive.
    • Nathan  •  Shreveport, Louisiana  •  2 mths ago
      Shortly before the US dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, the United Stated showered the Japanese cities of Nagasaki, Hiroshima, and 33 other potential targets with over 5 million leaflets warning civilians of the impending attack. In Japanese, the back of the pictured leaflet read:

      “Read this carefully as it may save your life or the life of a relative or friend. In the next few days, some or all of the cities named on the reverse side will be destroyed by American bombs. These cities contain military installations and workshops or factories which produce military goods. We are determined to destroy all of the tools of the military clique which they are using to prolong this useless war. But, unfortunately, bombs have no eyes. So, in accordance with America’s humanitarian policies, the American Air Force, which does not wish to injure innocent people, now gives you warning to evacuate the cities named and save your lives. America is not fighting the Japanese people but is fighting the military clique which has enslaved the Japanese people. The peace which America will bring will free the people from the oppression of the military clique and mean the emergence of a new and better Japan. You can restore peace by demanding new and good leaders who will end the war. We cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked but some or all of them will be, so heed this warning and evacuate these cities immediately.”
    • Matthew  •  Oklahoma City, Oklahoma  •  2 mths ago
      I find it funny how the media never hesitates to throw out the phrase "right wing" yet you never see them say left wing or fascist.
    • CHARLES R  •  2 mths ago
      How do you fight a war without killing people ?
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