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    APNewsBreak: Senator says OnStar invades privacy

    ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — The OnStar automobile communication service used by 6 million Americans maintains its two-way connection with a customer even after the service is discontinued, while reserving the right to sell data from that connection.

    U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer of New York says that's a blatant invasion of privacy and is calling on the Federal Trade Commission to investigate. But OnStar says former customers can stop the two-way transmission, and no driving data of customers has been shared or sold.

    "OnStar is attempting one of the most brazen invasions of privacy in recent memory," said Schumer, a Democrat. "I urge OnStar to abandon.

    But the General Motors Corp. OnStar service says customers are thoroughly informed of the new practice. If a customer says he or she doesn't want to have data collected after service is ended, OnStar disconnects the tracking.

    And although OnStar reserves the right to share or sell data on customers' speed, location, use of seat belts and other practices, a spokesman says it hasn't done so and doesn't plan to.

    "We apologize for creating any confusion about our terms and conditions," said Joanne Finnor, vice president of subscriber services. "We want to make sure we are as clear with our customers as possible, but it's apparent that we have failed to do this. ... We will continue to be open to their suggestions and concerns."

    A week ago, OnStar changed its policy and began continuing the connection for ex-customers unless they asked for it to be discontinued.

    Finnor noted keeping the two-communication active for former customers could someday allow for emergency messages to be sent even to ex-customers about severe weather or evacuations. The open line could also allow OnStar to alert drivers about warranty information or recalls, she said.

    Schumer said he isn't persuaded. He said customers shouldn't have to "opt out" of the tracking after they end service. He accuses OnStar of actively deceiving customers.

    Schumer is announcing the effort Sunday by releasing a letter to the Federal Trade Commission seeking an investigation.

    OnStar charges about $199 a year for basic service and $299 a year for service that includes navigation aid.

     

    709 comments

    • chilly  •  8 mths ago
      Ok, I am not a card carrying member of the Aluminum Foil Hat Wearing Club, but that OnStar microphone in the car technically can be turned on anytime to 'listen in'.
      • Konservative 8 mths ago
        so what ? if your doing something wrong then worry about if not why should it bother you ?
      • Xander R 8 mths ago
        konservative, even if im doing nothing wrong, i like my privacy, i also like having control of my privacy, seeming as its mine.
      • Mark 8 mths ago
        Konservative, that still doesn't make it right for them to willingly invade one's privacy.
    • Citizen  •  8 mths ago
      The point for me, is that I don't have control over the data collection. I want to control the on/off switch, not trust a corporation to keep their muddy greedy mitt's off the on switch.
      • murphys law 8 mths ago
        your honda will do the same
      • 38 Special 8 mths ago
        Unzip your pants and wave you thing at the onstar box and see what it does.
      • dale mulkey 8 mths ago
        wow citizen did you bother to read the whole article
    • sukiyhtaky  •  8 mths ago
      Would be just as easy and much more ethical for GM to have an 'opt-in' provision, that way there is no doubt the customer knows what is happening to him and his info.
      • ;-) 8 mths ago
        I agree with you that it would be MUCH more ethical and there would be no doubt whatsoever to institute an "opt-IN"; however from a corporate standpoint, it is MUCH easier to simply re-write the terms and conditions to include an "opt-out" provision, send a mass eMail out to all known owners, then simply program all units to the "ON" position. It's too bad many corporations are more interested in Easy than Ethical...
      • James F 8 mths ago
        Google and Yahoo sell your info ... your all over the place everytime you use your computer ... AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner ...........
      • we're screwed 8 mths ago
        You are correct. Its much easier for the company to require the opt out principle because its usually a pain in the butt situation for the customer to opt out.
    • chilly  •  8 mths ago
      "If a customer says he or she doesn't want to have data collected after service is ended, OnStar disconnects the tracking."
      Why don't you ASK the former customer if they WANT TO CONTINUE to have data collected after the service is ended? Probably because you know nobody would say yes
      • Church Mouse 8 mths ago
        I have no reason to trust onstar, I want to know how to disable the hardware myself...
      • Parrot B 8 mths ago
        Simple fix: Just unplug the connectors from the OnStar box and the connection is severed. This will NOT affect the normal operations of your vehicle and it will NOT cause any error codes to the ECM.
      • nationofone 8 mths ago
        Here is an idea quit being sheep listening to the media and actually read the terms of service. We do not continue to "collect" data. The connection is only kept open to make it easier to re-establish the connection for the subscriber if they chose to come back to onstar or for a vehicles second owner should they wish to have onstar. Also we do not sell your data. We provide it to people n order to provide the services we offer such as sharing make and model and coloe or your vehicle for roadside services should you need roadside or emergency services. Also we only get a gps signal off the vehicle when you actually press in for services we offer or when you have been in an accident and the sensors activate.
    • Jim  •  8 mths ago
      As much as it pains me to say this ~ I actually agree (ouch) with Chuck. The purpose of this is two fold. GM can limit being sued for product defect if they have data that says you drove the car faster than laws allow, turned hard, tires above or below pressure, etc. The insurance industry wants the data to deny claims based on the same things. On the flip side a consumer may want to freely choose this service as if they do follow the rules of the road, they can present the evidence as well in the case of an accident.

      That said, I never sign up for crazy things like this. I don't do social networking... And if you think my name is Jim, well that's okay too!
      • The Fool on The Hill 8 mths ago
        I don't like the schmuk either, but he's right on this one.
      • ANTHONY 8 mths ago
        Ditto
      • beenthere 8 mths ago
        first time I've ever agreed with anything this guy has said or done but when your right,your right!
    • incredulous  •  8 mths ago
      They know where you go, what time and for how long. Next best thing to microchipping. How do we know what they are doing with this information? In the wrong hands, someone could track your movements and break into your house when you're not home. We used to get around just fine without such technoogy. who really needs this?
    • Wyoraider  •  8 mths ago
      Don't like it ? Boycott G.M. products . Then dump your intrusive I phone because it DOES THE SAME THING as On Star. Make INFORMED choices People! Does "Homeland Security " make YOU feel safer? Welcome to the Orwellian future AmEriKA !
    • NewMexicoGent  •  8 mths ago
      I'm 60 years old, wear seatbelts, and drive 40 mph to WalMart once a week. I pity the fool trying to sell my info! But.....as someone said in an earlier post, "If they can afford to leave it on for no payment then they can afford to lower the price.
    • Chuck  •  8 mths ago
      Sounds like one day the insurance companies will know how fast you drive even if you never get speeding ticketsl.
    • we're screwed  •  8 mths ago
      The bottom line is, if On Star wants to make a lot of bucks, and they do, obviously, insurance companies will pay well for the opportunity to screw their customers. They do it all the time.
      The insurance lobby is very rich and powerful. They will stop at nothing to put it to their customers. On Star will not resist money.
    • Iridium Vault Section One  •  8 mths ago
      Easy to solve the problem, just disconnect the unit. I pulled the plugs out of it and it was right behind my glove box. An easy solution that gives ME peace of mind. I dont go anywhere all that exciting, I dont speed, I dont break laws, but i will be DAMMED if SpyStar is going to track my every move and then make money off my lack of privacy.
    • TedEx  •  8 mths ago
      Of course, if congress or the government invades our private lives, that's OK?
    • JohnS  •  8 mths ago
      I've lived without On-Star (and Tom-Tom's for that matter) for 62 years. I think I can get by without this "eye in the sky" the rest of the way....
    • Tom  •  8 mths ago
      “And although OnStar reserves the right to share or sell data on customers' speed, location, use of seat belts and other practices, a spokesman says it hasn't done so and doesn't plan to”

      If they don’t plan to sell this info to insurance companies then why collect it? Why does OnStar have a need to know your speed or seat belt use? Why do they need a history of where you’ve been?

      If the cops want to know where you’ve been they just go to your cell phone provider or place a GPS on your car and they don’t need a court order to do that.

      Internet service providers, cell phone providers and OnStar needs real time data. None of them need a history of where you’ve been.

      We are being watched and monitored and we can’t do anything about it.
    • K  •  8 mths ago
      He is right! Companies can't "reserve the right to" invade your privacy. Nor is it not a violation of privacy if they collect the data and don't distribute it. Who says THEY themselves have any right to ithat information. Just collecting it is an invasion of privacy.
    • Terrible  •  8 mths ago
      "And although OnStar reserves the right to share or sell data on customers' speed, location, use of seat belts and other practices, a spokesman says it hasn't done so and doesn't plan to".
      If it they haven't done so and don't plan to, then there should be no need to reserve the right to.
    • jri3  •  8 mths ago
      All I know is my old POS van will never rat me out. It don't talk to no one!
    • Novus  •  8 mths ago
      THere should be an "Opt-In" law where services can only be enacted if you OPT-IN, not that they should be allowed to proceed unless you OPT-OUT.

      thats why i deleted my facebook. I had to OPT-OUT of a lot of things I didnt even know was implemented until i tool a look at my settings!
    • LewisSckolnick  •  8 mths ago
      I didn't realize that there are still people in this country who still have some privacy left.
    • Mark  •  8 mths ago
      only a fool would submit to more control-in the name of safety-best part is -you fools actually pay them to spy on you-how pathetic can you get
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