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    Apple juggernaut gets little investor respect

    NEW YORK (AP) — Apple is worth $415 billion, putting it neck and neck with Exxon Mobil as the world's most valuable company. But by standard Wall Street measures, its stock is a bargain.

    There's a big discrepancy between Apple's earnings and its stock price, and it became even more glaring on Tuesday, when the company reported results for its latest quarter. The well-managed launch of the iPhone 4S and the ever growing popularity of Apple products around the world conspired to send earnings and sales zooming past analyst estimates.

    Apple's sales were $46.3 billion in the quarter that ended Dec. 31, up 73 percent from a year ago. That's more than twice the revenue of its old nemesis, Microsoft Corp.

    Net income grew 118 percent to $13.06 billion. That's more than Google Inc.'s revenue for the quarter.

    Investors cheered —sort of. Apple's stock rose 6 percent Wednesday, hitting a new all-time high of $454.45.

    And analysts believe the stock should be trading higher, based on the earnings expected this year. Before the earnings report, 45 Wall Street analysts who follow the company believed, on average, that Apple should be worth about $556 per share. After the report, the analysts rushed to raise their estimates, some as high as $650.

    "This isn't supposed to be happening to a company of this size," said David Rolfe, chief investment officer at Wedgewood Partners Inc., manages a $150 million fund where Apple is the largest component. "In our collective investment experience, none of us have ever seen this before."

    There are two main reasons for the missing hundred-dollar bills in Apple's stock price.

    One is Apple's policy of hoarding the cash it makes, like a dragon resting on a pile of gold. It doesn't pay dividends or buy back stock like many companies do. The policy is all the more striking when you consider the size of the cash pile: $97.6 billion. That's enough for a $100 special dividend for every Apple share.

    For years, analysts have been pressing Apple for a plan to do something with the cash. The company's standard response has been that the cash gives it flexibility to buy other companies and strike long-term supply deals.

    But on a post-report conference call with analysts on Tuesday, chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer hinted that a change might be in the air, saying the board is in "active" discussions about what to do with the cash.

    "I'd be surprised if there wasn't a dividend by the end of calendar-2012," said Michael Walkley, an analyst with Canaccord Genuity.

    The dividend would be important, not so much because it would directly reward shareholders, he said, but because it might vastly expand the number of investment funds that would be allowed to buy Apple stock.

    Growth-oriented funds already own a lot of Apple shares, and can't stomach any more. Apple has "run out of room," in the words of analyst Toni Sacconaghi at Sanford Bernstein.

    Meanwhile, value-oriented funds have rules against buying companies that don't pay dividends, and own few Apple shares, he said. He, too, thinks it's likely that Apple will institute a dividend, which would raise the stock price by broadening the range of funds that will own Apple.

    The other main reason for the low stock price appears to be that Apple has grown so big, so fast. Investors and analysts have refused to believe that a company of that size can grow at an annual rate of 73 percent, like it did in the latest quarter.

    Wall Street analysts have been "woefully conservative on Apple," Rolfe said. "The mantra has been: Hey, a company this size just cannot keep growing at these unbelievable rates."

    Scott Sutherland, an analyst at Wedbush Morgan, does believe Apple's earnings growth will slow. But even if today's breakneck pace can't hold up, and growth moderates to 21 percent per year, the shares are still worth $585, he said.

    There's no sign of growth slowing this year, however. Apple is expected to launch the iPad 3 in a few months, and perhaps a TV set some time this year. This summer, analysts expect an iPhone with a new look and the ability to use Verizon Wireless' and AT&T Inc.'s new high-speed "LTE" data networks. That would be the biggest iPhone launch in years, Sutherland said.

    "It will crush the iPhone 4S launch," he said.

    ___

    Peter Svensson can be reached at http://www.twitter.com/petersvensson

     

    16 comments

    • G  •  3 mths ago
      The world runs on oil. It does NOT run on iPads. When you look at the list of human NEEDS (food, clothing, water, shelter, medicine, transportation), not ONE of Apple's products are on that list. They are a luxury company, and should be treated as such.
    • davidfl  •  3 mths ago
      People need oil -- they don't need toys!!!!
      • G 3 mths ago
        People don't necessary need oil, but they do need ENERGY.

        You can't supply seven billion people with food, clothes, water, shelter, medicine, or transportation without it.
      • GeorArtisange Artisano 3 mths ago
        Well my toy got my work done and I didn't need to comute. All done in the comfort of my home. Seems like I'm using less oil.
    • proud bay man  •  San Francisco, California  •  3 mths ago
      
    • Costco Shopper  •  Spokane, Washington  •  3 mths ago
      Its just a stock people, I have a few shares but I sure didn't put all my eggs in 1 basket. I am not emotionally attached to any stock. When I feel like I am not making money on it any more, I will sell it.
    • Milo Minderbinder  •  4 mths ago
      Ten years ago I was constantly hearing how Apple couldn't possibly survive because nobody buys their products. Now that Apple is the biggest company on the planet the argument is that nobody should want to buy their products. The only constant I've seen over the years is that some people are going to hate Apple no matter what.
      • Jacques 3 mths ago
        Maybe it meant that Steve Jobs was actually as smart as some people though he was. I've owned a dozen Macs since I owned PCs. For most people the cheap trumps the good.
    • JDN  •  San Antonio, Texas  •  3 mths ago
      Wanna make big bucks that's not Apple related. Write a program that fixes all the PC's software. You won't be Apple rich but if done right you will have lots of money.
      • Michael 3 mths ago
        If you actually understood computers you might get this. The ONLY reason Apple products do not break down as often as PC's do is 1. ONLY Apple makes their hardware and the operating system to go on the hardware. Microsoft ONLY makes the operating system to go on other vendors hardware. 2. Apple is very strict in regards to the 3rd party software that can run on the Apple computers. Microsoft was told by the EU that they must give out more code to 3rd party vendors unlike Apple.

        Don't blame Microsoft if your toshiba laptop is a POS. blame toshiba for selling you a $300 computer that is worth exactly what you paid for. $300
    • GregC  •  Hicksville, New York  •  3 mths ago
      Love the haters, probably missed boat as the stock hit $450
    • A Yahoo! User  •  4 mths ago
      Never fully trust analysts. They job is to generate interest in buying stocks. Based on recent earnings Apple stock may indeed be somewhat undervalued. But Apple's high earning are the result of unusually high margins for their products (i.e., they are able to sell their products for significantly more than they cost to manufacture and distribute). Maintaining these margins long term will be difficult. It may be reasonable to recommend Apple stock as a buy for the short term, but this stock has risks for the longer term that balance out it's short term prospects.
    • Pope  •  New York, New York  •  4 mths ago
      The difference between apple and exxon is that apple can lose huge market share/profit once a competing product is worthy of competetion but exxon has a monopoly , you have to buy oil to run your car.

      I find it ironic that the most successful tech company in the history of the world still doesn't not make more money then big oil. That's why we are still using this black crack.
      • Troy S 4 mths ago
        I find it ironic that you post about something you know nothing about. Why bash the oil companies? Are you some kind of Global Warming nut job?

        First, Exxon is not a monopoly. A monopoly, by definition, has no competition. Exxon has dozens of competitors large and small including Chevron, BP, Royal Dutch/Shell, Conoco and Petroleo Brisilero, not including the much larger nationalized oil companies in the Middle East.

        Second, they deal in a commodity, the price of which is determined globally. Their challenge is to continually search the planet for more oil in difficult to reach places, then drill for it, ship it half way around the world, refine it, process it into gas, transport it and market it so that you can put gas in your little Prius and feel better about yourself while trashing the oil companies. They need billions and billions of dollars in Revenue to do this. The cost of a single oil rig can run over $100,000,000.

        And while they do make billions, their profit margin is a very middle-of-the-road whopping 9% compared to Apple's 28%. Nothing wrong with that I just don't understand the mindless oil company bashing.
      • Wildbiologist 4 mths ago
        @Troy -Ha ha ha. Someone that accepts scientific consensus which is based on decades of data and peer review is a "Global Warming nut job"? Pot, meet kettle. In addition to that example of screaming idiocy on your part, you missed that Apple posted 43% (not 28%) margins this quarter, a new record. You do a fine job of reinforcing the intellect that Texas is famous for, however, so bravo to you.
      • Troy S 4 mths ago
        Wildbiologist,

        You should probably keep your head in the sand where it belongs. The 'concensus' is whatever the main stream media and the liberals (but I repeat myself) want to make it out to be. Your 'decades of data and peer review' amount to nothing more than a gov't funded scam based on GIGO computer models nothing more. See Michael Mannn and the now discredited Hockey Stick, Climategate I, Climategate II etc... But you go ahead keep believing those diasaster predictions that never materialize.

        Typical liberal post. Attack the messanger because you can't make a point based in fact, you can only spout talking points. And the margin was based on net income not gross.
    • BackyardZooGames  •  4 mths ago
      Apple provides thousands of jobs around the world... Wish more companies can have work design like Apple...
      • The Fallopian Turtle 3 mths ago
        yeah the world definitely needs more grossly underpaid, overworked, suicidal asians...
      • Ace 3 mths ago
        "Apple provides thousands of jobs around the world..." YEAH in child slave labour camps run by Foxconn in China, where the average iPad assembler works a 12 hour shift under armed guards, for less than a dollar a day. That's enough to make me NOT use any Apple products, as long as Tim Cook & the thieves at Apple continue to do nothing about it & look the other way. iCrap!
      • proud bay man 3 mths ago
        Ace, sweetie, if you actually read a little, and understood exactly how many electronics products are made at Foxconn, you would drop a jaw at your own stupidity.
    • The Grim Reaper  •  Hayward, California  •  3 mths ago
      Apple can be a junk stock once more. When? It's just a matter of time. HYPE is the better ticker symbol for Apple. Don't get me wrong. Been using their products back when it was really different - as early as 1978. But the iPad & iPhone are really nothing new. With the iPhone & iPad, you have to push a button just to get back to the main menu? Hey, most people are truly proud of their stupidity.
    • yog  •  4 mths ago
      In my experience, those who pooh-pooh Apple products haven't used them much. Once you have some experience with them, you recognize that they're superior systems: not necessarily individual components, but entire systems that work very well together. Plus they're elegant. Sure, a Ford will get you there... but a BMW will be a nicer ride. This is why Apple continues to succeed.

      There will always be a market for Fords... and BMW will be able to charge a premium for a premium product. The naysayers often seem in denial of this simple fact.
    • 60Sistrunk  •  4 mths ago
      I am not an Apple fan. Despite all the hype, if they disappeared tomorrow it wouldn't make a lick of difference. Their computers are slick, but 99% of companies use the IBM PC architecture, always have, and it is likely that most development will continue to be based on that Intel/Microsoft architecture. The other big products are the ipod, a well-designed mp3 player, the iphone, a well designed phone, and the ipad, a well designed product (whose usefulness is still in question). In other words, they are not a significant innovator - every one of those things was invented by someone else, and if every one of them disappeared tomorrow they could be replaced instantly by other products that have, seriously, about the same functionality. On top of that, Apple does all their manufacturing in China. They have no commitment to the United States other than they want your money. They're getting a lot of it, but not any of mine.
    • kumite  •  4 mths ago
      I don't blame these investors. Once these quad core ice cream sandwich tablets come out this year starting at $249, Apple's goose will be cooked. Look at the Asus quad cores, they are thinner, faster, run smoother and cheaper than any ipad. I think I smell some fresh baked apple pie.
    • England  •  Los Angeles, California  •  4 mths ago
      Steve Jobs is dead. Enough said.
    • Sean  •  College Station, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      California's economy is so bad because they spend all day sniffing their own farts.
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