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    Arizona lawmakers say they will build border fence

    PHOENIX (AP) — Arizona is taking on immigration once again, with state lawmakers collecting donations from the public to put fencing along every inch of the state's porous Mexican border in a first-of-its-kind effort.

    The idea came from state Sen. Steve Smith, a Republican who says that people from across the nation have donated about $255,000 to the project since July, when the state launched a fundraising website that urges visitors to "show the world the resolve and the can-do spirit of the American people."

    Smith acknowledges he has a long way to go to make the fence a reality. The $255,000 collected will barely cover a half mile of fencing. Smith estimates that the total supplies alone will cost $34 million, or about $426,000 a mile. Much of the work is expected to be done by prisoners at 50 cents an hour.

    The fence is Arizona's latest attempt to force a debate on whether the federal government is doing enough to stop illegal immigration. Key provisions of the state's contentious immigration bill were suspended by a judge, and Gov. Jan Brewer is appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court to get them reinstated. Brewer also signed the fencing bill.

    Critics of the private fence plan say the idea is a misguided, piecemeal approach to border issues that will prove to be ineffective and hugely expensive. They point to the billions of dollars spent by the federal government to build fencing that hasn't stopped illegal immigration.

    "You're going to get 50 yards of fencing, if that," says Alfredo Gutierrez, a former Democratic state senator and immigrant-rights advocate who ran for governor in 2002.

    But Smith and other supporters don't care.

    They say the federal government has done little to secure the border and that additional fencing will close gaps exploited by smugglers and illegal immigrants. Even if the fence isn't completed, Smith and others believe the project will send a message to Washington.

    They have found support for the idea from Border Patrol agents.

    "I take my hat off to them," says George McCubbin, a Border Patrol agent in Casa Grande and president of the National Border Patrol Council, the agency's union. "I don't believe it's the state's responsibility, but by them attempting this, they will continue to have this problem brought out, and hopefully someone will take notice of it."

    Although he praises the effort, McCubbin thinks building more border fencing is "a waste of time."

    "A fence slows down traffic. It doesn't stop it," he says. "You need to put your money in effective resources that you know will work."

    He believes the federal government needs to crack down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, increase penalties against those caught in the country illegally, cut off social services for others and put more agents at the border.

    The fence project is being overseen by the 15-member Joint Border Security Advisory Committee, comprised of lawmakers, state law enforcement officials and four sheriffs, including Maricopa County's Joe Arpaio. The committee meets once a month and will decide when and where to put up the new fencing and what construction firms win bids.

    Wherever they put it — private, state, or federal land — they will need to get approval.

    Smith is confident the state will comply, so he's focusing his efforts on private landowners. It isn't clear if the federal government will allow the fence on land it manages.

    "In light of their doing nothing, I would hope they wouldn't want to deter a state from protecting its own border," he says.

    The project's first priority is to build fences at busy border-crossing points. Other plans include constructing fences along the 80 miles of border where none currently exist.

    The law also allows Arizona to enter an agreement with California, New Mexico and Texas to build fencing in those states, although there's no immediate plan to do that.

    Fencing currently covers about 650 miles, or one-third, of the 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border. Nearly half sits in Arizona — the busiest gateway for both illegal immigrants and marijuana — with the rest equally divided among California, New Mexico and Texas.

    Existing border fencing varies in quality from simple barbed wire or vehicle barriers to carefully engineered, 18- to 30-foot-high fences.

    On top of $2.5 billion spent by the federal government to build the fence, a government report projects it will cost another $6.5 billion over the next 20 years to maintain.

    Smugglers often circumvent the barriers by cutting or driving through them, climbing over them, launching drugs with catapults over them, or digging tunnels under them. In the last week alone, two drug tunnels were found in Nogales in southeastern Arizona.

    Despite the relatively low amount of money raised so far, Smith says work will begin sometime next year. One company has pledged to donate materials for a mile or two, another has promised to sell supplies at a discontinued rate, and some construction firms say they'll contribute free labor.

    "Something will be in the ground by 2012," he says.

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    Online:

    Arizona's border-fence fundraising: http://bit.ly/vWJySa

     
    • EPJ  •  5 mths ago
      Solutions:*Make E-Verify mandated! *Make very strict laws that harshly penalize businesses that hire illegals*Change the anchor baby laws*Take away all incentives of being illegal*Charge Mexico fees in handling illegals (medical, legal, deportation, etc)
      -It makes me sick that Mexico gov. makes brochures on how to illegally immigrate and send back money to Mexico!

      This is not rocket science people!
      • Bruce 5 mths ago
        They also need to enforce all these laws, not just make them an forget them like they do with the rest.
      • jtek 5 mths ago
        There are no "anchor baby" laws.
        "Anchor Babies" are U S Citizens, as defined in the Constitution. Any change would require a constitutional amendment.
    • LUCYGOOSE  •  Atlanta, United States  •  5 mths ago
      They must be buying the supplies from the same place that charges 20,000 for toilet seats and 3000 for a hammer !
    • mavis  •  Hattiesburg, United States  •  5 mths ago
      $255,000.00...........FOR 1/2 MILE OF FENCE ???
      THAT WORKS OUT TO $1,000.00 PER FOOT.............ARE WE USING PLATINUM POSTS AND MATERIALS ???
      DOES IT HAVE TO BE DIAMOND STUDDED ???
    • Veteran  •  Elmhurst, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Why don't they just enforce employment law? If employers, including large corporate factory farms were put on the same three strikes policy as conservatives love for individuals committing crimes, they would get a fine, a suspension of business activity, and then a liquidation of assets. After all, aren't they people too? Frankly, if illegals could not work to earn money, they would not be here. A fence is unnecessary.
      • Bob in Tenn 6 mths ago
        that's no good, the pols can't get kick backs from that!
      • becca 6 mths ago
        You're making too much sense Veteran. Stop it! : )
      • A 6 mths ago
        Because Republican business owners (so called "job creators") want cheap labor.
    • mavis  •  Hattiesburg, United States  •  5 mths ago
      For 34 million dollars......i can build a fence around the entire north american continent..............are these nuts for real ???
    • Alice  •  6 mths ago
      If prisoners are doing the work for $.50 an hour then why would it cost about $426,000 a mile. What kind of materials cost that much? Titanium?
      • sam simmons 6 mths ago
        good call. they dont need a golden fence......they could make it out of recycled trash.....we have plenty of that here in arizona.
      • spinning_left 6 mths ago
        Oh boy work camps,thank god for Joe!
      • Maitre 6 mths ago
        Again...posts out of ignorance and not reading the article. Border fences are between 18 to 30 feet high. These are not the typical American (read: cheap vinyl home cheapo) DIY fences y'all are accustomed to. Real fences of high quality cost money.
    • Mike  •  Newark, United States  •  6 mths ago
      My grandfather came here from Italy, with just the shirt on his back, he became a CITIZEN back in 1916! Nobody asked him to press one to speak Italian!!!!!!!!!!!
      • Rocky Marciano 6 mths ago
        LOL
      • Superboy 6 mths ago
        Yeah. He learned English in about five minutes. Yup. You are from a line of geniuses. Sure.
      • Cheryl 6 mths ago
        No "Superboy" - Mike's grandfather probably TOOK THE TIME to learn English and cared enough to do so. It's America; learn English or go back to where ever.
    • todd  •  Westlake, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Want to stop illegal immigration? Put a few CEO's and managers in prison for hiring illegals and the jobs will dry up immediately. Simple and effective.
      • Nels 6 mths ago
        Why are we borrowing money from Communist Red China to give away $113 Billion Dollars each year to subsidize illegal aliens!! ... What part of "illegal" doesn't Barack Hussein Obama understand???
      • G J 6 mths ago
        Todd...That would throw out the WORKERS---leaving behind the CRIMINALS and the door still wide open.
      • Bruce 5 mths ago
        They need to deport the ones who hire them, that would slow it down.
    • Rastus  •  Brandon, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Illegal labor has killed construction here in Tampa for honest small contractors. I am no rocket scientist, but I would bet the landscaping industry too. Why do the authorities not say show me your ID?
    • Mason Cuda  •  Orlando, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Our government has waged class warfare against the American people, using illegal alien competition in construction, industrial labor, and the service sector. It REFUSES to enforce jobsite verification of immigration status.
    • daniele  •  Chicago, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Put the people who hire illegals in jail and seize their assets, and illegal imigration will be OVER. Save millions of dollars.
    • IraqWarDeficits  •  Portland, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Throw every corrupt business owner who employees illegals in prison for 20 yrs. Illegal immigration would stop tomorrow....FACT
    • A Yahoo! User  •  6 mths ago
      We just had 5 illegals in our town picked up on murder charges and rape crimes. They only got caught because there tracker trailor was going to fast, They got pulled over, Got checked they found 10 million dollars worth of drugs in the trailor. Our goverment needs to do something.
    • Goldrush  •  5 mths ago
      How can a fence cost $426,000 a mile to put up. Is it made of gold? Put barbed wire up and then electrificy it. Somebody is scamming the system with those prices.
    • Cecilia  •  San Antonio, United States  •  5 mths ago
      What we need to do is help by volunteering to build the fence. If we really want things done, we will have to do it ourselves.
    • ernie13x  •  Phoenix, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Sure, build the dang fence right over those tunnels. Steve Smith, you're such a dou(he bag! Can you people come up with any legislation that doesn't make Az. look completely stupid? How can you not know 78% of Arizonans want immigration reform and not a "dang fence"!
    • Jim  •  Racine, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Build a fence you idiots they just found 4 tunnels big enough to drive a semi through and you want to waste money on a fence,how about making it unfriendly and they will not come.Step 1 legalize pot and you have stopped the profit margin for the cartels and with that tax the stuff to pay down the debt.Step 2 any company found working illegals has all it assests seized and sold using the money from such sale to pay down the debt.Step 3 any Mexican applying for a work visa must work the first 6 months of the visa for nothing to be able to reapply for another visa and the 6 month wages are invested to pay down the debt.Step 4 no free healthcare for any illegal or work visa imigrant.Step 5 no subsidized income for farmers working immigrants let them pay for their help not the tax payers that have been doing it since 2002 farm bill.Step 6 all monies earned in the US by migrant farm workers must be spent in the US no sending it back home.Step 7 any individual caught working illegals has all their assests seized and sold off using the proceeds to cover the cost of their 10 year prison sentence plus deportation of the illegal and any money left over goes to pay down the debt.These 7 easy step should be enough to keep them out or keep people from hiring them which in turn will keep them out
    • the grahams  •  Kansas City, United States  •  6 mths ago
      You don't need a fence, just stop giving them welfare, food stamps, and health care and they will stop coming.
    • sts  •  6 mths ago
      If we're going to loosen immigration restrictions, it should be for people who will come here and pay taxes, start businesses, etc and not those who will mainly add to the social welfare rolls.
    • Monty  •  6 mths ago
      The scam of it all is that you don't need a fence to keep illegals out.. You simply (and it is simple) have to take away the jobs. Stop the Americans who provide employment to these illegals from providing employment and halt government subsistence and these illegals will simply walk back to wherever they came from. When they do this, then you'll know they are finally getting serious about this national problem.. Everything else is lipstick on a pig..
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