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    Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    SANTA MONICA, Calif. (AP) — Jesus, Mary, Joseph and the three wise men are being crowded out by atheists.

    Most of the Christmas nativity scenes that churches had placed in a Santa Monica coastal park for decades have been displaced by non-religious displays — and the churches are crying conspiracy.

    The Santa Monica Nativity Scenes Committee, a coalition of 13 churches, and the Santa Monica Police Officers Association, has traditionally claimed 14 of the 21 display spaces, which are vandal-proof, cage-like areas surrounded by chain-link fencing.

    The coalition displays have featured life-size depictions of the story of the birth of Jesus Christ.

    But atheists got all but three of the spaces this year because of a new lottery system. The coalition got two spots to display Jesus, Mary and the wise men. The third went to Isaac Levitansky of Chabad Channukah Menorah.

    Adding to the loss, the atheists have used only three of the display areas to promote their message.

    One reads: "Religions are all alike — founded upon fables and mythologies. — Thomas Jefferson."

    "Happy Solstice," reads another.

    And a display with photographs depicting King Neptune, Jesus Christ, Santa Claus and Satan reads, "Million Americans know MYTHS when they see them. What myths do you see? American Atheists. Since 1963. athiests.org."

    "Our belief is that these new applicants have been working together to displace and push out the nativity scenes from the park, rather than erecting a full display of their own," said Hunter Jameson, a spokesman for a coalition of the city's churches.

    The Santa Monica Daily Press (http://bit.ly/tr8h1T ) reported that churches had little or no competition for the spaces during the past 57 years. This year, 13 people bid for spaces, prompting City Hall to use a random lottery system to allot the spots.

    Two individuals got 18 spaces. One person can request a maximum of nine.

    Damon Vix is behind the effort to allocate the spaces by lottery.

    Last year, he put up a sign with the Thomas Jefferson quote and selections on U.S. Supreme Court decisions about the importance of separating church and state.

    Vix now helps other atheists acquire the park spaces, including American Atheists Inc. and the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

    Secularists feel a need to be more vocal and express their civil rights, he said.

    "For 60 years, it's almost exclusively been the point of view of Christians putting up nativity scenes for a whole city block," Vix said.

    Jameson pushed the city to give local preference in awarding the spaces. Vix doesn't live in Santa Monica.

    City Attorney Marsha Moutrie wrote, however, that the Christmas displays cross the boundary into First Amendment free speech rights, which know no geographical boundaries.

    "Everyone has equal rights to use the streets and parks for expressive activities, irrespective of residency," Moutrie wrote.

     

    19 comments

    • Rossana  •  Hollywood, Florida  •  5 mths ago
      We have gotten bombarded for decades from all these theists on the streets, the media, even invading our privacy knocking our doors, and they get angry when atheists use their free speech to say what they think and feel? are you f.. kidding me? shameless theists! go and pray on your homes and churches only then if you don't want atheists to express what they want!
    • no  •  Cicero, Illinois  •  4 mths ago
      True Christians show compassion, patience and love to everyone. even Atheists. Dont let anger get in the way. I may not agree with the signs, even though the solstice was here before Jesus. Be christ like, even if youre not a christian. He showed unconditional love for his fellow man. No matter how much they mocked him.
    • You are insane  •  Phoenix, United States  •  5 mths ago
      watch out people atheist are making their move
    • Concerned American  •  5 mths ago
      The atheists have a right to their oppenion just as Christains do. However, I do not recall any Nativity stating that atheists are myths, nor do they put down dis-belivers. We as Christains do not need a visual Nativity Sceen, we have it in our hearts and memories. Eventually, those who do not believe will be shown the way. We can only pray for them.
    • Jon  •  5 mths ago
      More bastardization of freedom coming up from a movement driven by hate.
      • ALLEN 5 mths ago
        If by "hate" you mean truth, then yes, we are spreading "hate".
      • KomradeKD 4 mths ago
        You call us a movement driven by hate because you do not understand us. It is human nature to fear what they do not understand. It was through such fear that religion was born.
    • BMS  •  Scotts Valley, United States  •  5 mths ago
      "Happy Solstice" is not an atheist saying. It is a scientific explanation of when the sun is at the southern most point of its journey. Christ was not born in Dec. any Bible scholar will tell you this.
      • MichaelD 5 mths ago
        Sure enough is. There is a winter and a summer solstice. The "Happy" portion of that phrase is from the atheist community who would have nothing to celebrate if they didn't.
      • BeverlyJ 5 mths ago
        The atheists should get their own holiday instead of squatting on other beliefs'. I suggest April fools day...
      • nicolep 5 mths ago
        Christians should realize that all their holidays are ripped directly off pagan ones
    • BeverlyJ  •  5 mths ago
      Is there much difference between militant atheists who do this kind of thing and that group of militant Christians who picket funerals of military soldiers? Both are obnoxious. Both are serving their own interests rather than some greater interest they claim to promote. I could do without either.
      • A Yahoo! User 5 mths ago
        Soldiers actually existed and actually died for you.
      • BeverlyJ 5 mths ago
        Ummm... so did Christ... your point?
      • Joe 4 mths ago
        Beverly, these people that you mentioned are not, I say again, are NOT true Christians and are diffidently not part of true Christianity. The American servicemen and women past and present are heroes all the way!
    • Angel  •  Denver, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Yes, the atheists have a rights to proclaim their beliefs, or lack thereof, but the Christian population also has their rights for their displays. both should be treated fairly and with mostly respect. If the atheists don't like the Christian messages and displays don't look at them and visa versa. Don't try to make it like one groups message is better than the other and force it down peoples' throats..
      • KomradeKD 4 mths ago
        I would call a message based on proven facts to be superior to those based on myths and legends.
    • Abby  •  5 mths ago
      Ah, so fantastic! If only one of the spaces had a huge flying spaghetti monster in it.. then we'd be in business.
      • KomradeKD 4 mths ago
        Pastafarianism FTW! Aw man a nativity done with pirates!!!
    • HD Doc  •  Yuba City, California  •  5 mths ago
      biggoted athiests!
    • puerile  •  5 mths ago
      Gimme a break. Christian history is FULL of coercion. Forced conversions. Religious wars. Auto da fe. And other executions. Having a lottery for public space messages is nothing like that. Just go to Church and leave us alone, huh?
    • clumber  •  Augusta, United States  •  5 mths ago
      This is the beginning of a backlash concerning the push of religious mythology and beliefs on everyone in the US.
    • Nope  •  5 mths ago
      And why listen to 8% of the population that are brain dead? Screw em.
    • MichaelD  •  5 mths ago
      Lets see the only myth I see in that photo is that there are 37 million atheistic Americans. The number should be about 15 million or less.
    • BrandonN  •  Omaha, United States  •  5 mths ago
      This is wonderful news! Religious superstition destroys humankind's ability to reason or perceive reality. Nativity scenes are an insult to human intelligence and deserve to be mocked and met with our total scorn. It's disgusting that even one person is gullible enough to subscribe to religious brainwashing. Good for these atheists! They've made my day. I long for the day when no human being ever again commits intellectual suicide to religious dogma and when all religion is thrown onto the ash heap of obsolescence.
    • BeverlyJ  •  5 mths ago
      The atheists should get their own holiday instead of squatting on other beliefs'. I suggest April fools day...
    • MichaelD  •  5 mths ago
      Here's another interesting fact - Atheists only go after the Christians. They don't go after Jewish or Muslim communities or any other religion. This is the exact same mindset that sent the Jews to the death camps and ovens. Given half a chance the atheists would put a bullet to the brain of any or all religious people - especially Christians.
    • Melvyn  •  5 mths ago
      What offends me most is that the city has demonstrated that they don't know how to conduct a "random" lottery. 13 people bid for 21 spaces. On average, each person would "randomly" get 1.6 spaces. But instead, 2 out of 13 get 18 of the spaces. That's 15% of the applicants obtaining 86% of the spaces.

      Um - yes: I'd be screaming "conspiracy," too.
    • fightforlove  •  5 mths ago
      more proof that atheists are apparently very insecure, mean-spirited people with low self-esteem.
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