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    We Atheists Might Scare Religious Leaders, but We're Not Leaving

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    COMMENTARY | Over the centuries, while Christianity and other religions have assured some select folks a chance at undeserved power and unearned wealth, religion has also held humanity back from all it could have been from scientific advance. Now that humanity is finding its way through the various mythologies and into the light of reality, professional mystics are scared.

    In an AFP report, Britain's first female Muslim cabinet member Sayeeda Warsi is warning Britain "against militant secularism." Oh, that's so funny. Is it because we secularists value life and would not have anyone die for the sake of some alleged after-life?

    Are we "militant secularists" such a threat because we do not desire to control others' lives? Or because we would not send others off to kill and die for our "God's glory?" Is that what makes us dangerous?

    We challenge the threats of eternal hell and torture by choosing to live our lives for the sake of living and not to enrich a fat man calling himself a prophet or minister. Sure, that scares religious leaders of all sorts -- but I suppose a protection racket might also be scared of a neighborhood of merchants resisting too.

    Here in America, where the great majority of citizens are religious, we secularists -- atheists, if you will -- are accused of "oppressing" those who find their apple-cart upset. Should even our government do anything good for its populace, they're accused of "attacking religion," according to this Associated Press video. With its track record of abuses and human rights violation, religion should be attacked. But instead we let churches enjoy tax-free income from their members.

    We don't want to take away the balm of private religion for others. We just want to live our lives in peace and in freedom of the religious myths that we cannot wrap our heads around. If others want to believe in a man living in the clouds -- fine. But those who want to mesh their religions into the laws that we all have to live under will be stopped. We will resist and we're not leaving.

    As the corruption within the Catholic Church is further revealed, as shared in an AFP report, we secularists see even more evidence that religious leaders do not have the virtues, wisdom or honor deserving of anyone desiring power over the minds, hearts and lives of others.

     
    • Richard  •  Hebron, Indiana  •  3 mths ago
      Earlier (maybe another board even) someone said something like: Atheists were likely to be like Jeffrey Dalmer.
      Well Christians practice ritualistic cannibalism every Sunday. Eat this... this is my body...
      • james 3 mths ago
        You are such an uneducated #$%$ This will be an education for you since you are for sure a BLOND valley atheist STOP ponder consider I gave my life for you my blood was split for you . I said i t before your purposeful stupidity does not suit you. I am inclined to just do the following"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.
      • james 3 mths ago
        Richard your remarks I cannot believe they come form an educated person why do you say such things you I can tell are better then that . stop and think my man life is not a game please get with it man.

        I know you are not a BLOND valley atheist. You just shock me with your remarks they are not one of a well read and intelligent person that I see in you
      • Christiana 3 mths ago
        Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Jesus into his life before he died. He is in heaven. There is only one sin that cannot be forgiven and that is the blasphmemy of the Holy Spirit. WHen you reject the Holy Spirit's work and attempts to get you to let Jesus into your heart and then you die without Jesus THAT is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. THe only unforgivable sin. THere is only one, just one out of all the sins in the world that can not be forgiven. Athiest are in danger of comitting that sin on a daily basis because we do not know when we will die. Your time could be up in five minutes.
    • Pat  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 mths ago
      here is how i see it. there may be a creator, there may not. if there is a creator i feel it is far more important to him how we act and treat others and the earth he created than in what way or what form we recognise his exhistence in. if how we worship is that important to god why does no religion claim even half of man believe it to be the path. going to a good church, temple or mosque is a good thing. it makes a community closer by bringing them together once in a week and having them set aside petty squabbles and even mediate major ones. the good churches tell us stories of cooperation, community, many good ways for us to lead our lives, and even a crude form of justice and of course redemption and forgiveness. some people whose lives are 100%religion heart and soul lose sight of this fact and get more wrapped up in forcing their particular sects teachings on others instead of using their excess monies and time to help the less fortunate as ALL of the abrahamic religions of the old testament teach us we should do.
      • E 3 mths ago
        @Pat,

        "here is how i see it. there may be a creator, there may not. if there is a creator i feel it is far more important to him how we act and treat others and the earth he created than in what way or what form we recognise his exhistence in."

        Good point! Actually the Bible agrees with this particular notion of yours. Look at-

        (Mark 12:28-31)

        "(28) Now one of the scribes that had come up and heard them disputing, knowing that he had answered them in a fine way, asked him: “Which commandment is first of all?” (29) Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, LORD our God is one GOD, (30) and you must love the LORD thy God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’ (31) The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these."

        This can found in the book(s) of (Matt. 22:37-40; Luke 10:25-28) as well. So you see, you are correct in knowing how God and His son feels in partial according to the Bible. However, there are more to God's feelings and requirements than these. It's a good start tho. Keep searching if you are sincere about knowing your Creator and His dear beloved son, Christ Jesus!

        E
      • Pat 3 mths ago
        lmao or maybe i should follow the teachings of buddha. the point is i am not going to blindly follow a 2000 year old book and cling to the parts of it that have not been debunked yet. in my opinion religion is a cult originally conceived to explain the many unexplainable things to people who lived 6000 years ago, and keep the kings subjects in line and fighting his enemies instead of each other. here is a thought for you to contemplate on tonight before you continue to be so convinced in you theology. if you were born in saudi arabia to saudi parents who took you to mosque on fridays instead of church on sundays and spent many days as a youngster having islam theology crammed down your throat by mom and dad would you now be swearing that there is one god and his name is allah?
      • Shield of Faith 3 mths ago
        Ok then.
    • Tone  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 mths ago
      Can anyone give me just one example, in all of world history, of a free and civil theocracy?
      • Marie 3 mths ago
        Nope.
      • E 3 mths ago
        The rule of Solemn?
      • God not applicable 3 mths ago
        But there are plenty of examples of oppressive theocratic societies
    • percy  •  Petaluma, California  •  3 mths ago
      as an atheist I don't understand why people want to be confrontational about their beliefs. Live and let live. I don't flaunt my atheism or criticize christians or other believers. What do I care?
      • Big Leo 3 mths ago
        You're on my list of favorite atheists. The leader so far is Penn Gillette, who says he doesn't resent Christians who tell him about their faith. He says they'd be really nasty if they believed what they do and didn't tell him. He considers it a minor inconvenience, but a touching sign of concern.
      • someone_dropped_by 3 mths ago
        Because people keep calling us idiots and sheep. Insults wear people down, and they become defensive. Something I'm sure you'd understand.
      • Wilby 3 mths ago
        regarding live and let live with regard to religion. i can understand how one would come to this conclusion. however, i don’t think this is something we should just be silent about. the reason being that these beliefs are not simply private personal matters, or we wouldn't be having this conversation. these beliefs really do affect the way individuals, groups and societies think and behave. religion played massive roles in the following things: defending slavery, motivating and justifying murder, abuse and oppression of gays, women, apostates, nonbelievers, believers of other faith, and other races, motivating and/or justifying terrorism, interfering with scientific research (e.g., stem cell research) and polluting scientific education (creationism, intelligent design), discouraging some from seeking or providing medical treatment or preventative treatments for self, children or others, etc. furthermore, our excusing of the unreason that we call religion has opened the floodgates for either types for other opportunistic attempts to exploit people’s trustworthiness and “openmindedness” – e.g., the cult of scientology, homeopathy, psychics, and so on.

        the idea that religious beliefs are simply personal is 100% untrue. live and let live is hardly justified when religious communities are consistent offenders and consistently affect people in rationally and morally indefensible ways.
    • vyAhRtis  •  3 mths ago
      Where would we be now if the Islamic religion had not thrown out the precis calendar created by Omar Khayyám? Where would we be now if that Christian mob had not burned down the library of Alexandria (the greatest collection of knowledge on earth at the time)? Where would we be now if the Vatican had not told Galileo Galilei to shut up at risk of death? Where would be be now if the Thirty Years War between two nutty religious factions had never happened? Where would we be now if Hitler's persecution had not killed thousands of scientists who just happened to be socialists and communists or of Jewish ancestry? We would be thousands of years ahead. That's what. (No wonder those aliens refuse to land.)
      • someone_dropped_by 3 mths ago
        Hold on. We have a precise calendar, took a while but we got it. Much of the information in the library of Alexandria had copies somewhere else, and the Arab world was able to preserve the information in those manuscripts until the renaissance, when the Church was finally ready to accept them.
        Galileo kept on working, in defiance of the church.
        Without the 30 years war, the protestant groups of central europe would never have sought religious freedom in the new world. Where they created a society where everyone was free to follow their conscience.
        It's easy to look at history and say, if that hadn't happened we would be better off. but we don't know. If we were still following everything in the library at Alexandria, would we have pursued our own quest for knowledge? or would we still believe that body's humours had to be regulated?
        Without the protestant reformation, we might still have to learn latin to access a university education. The protestant push for a bible in the vernacular lead to more books being printed in the vernacular, and dislodged latin as the language of education. It also lead to humanist philosophy, which in turn gave rise to secularism.
        We might have a different world, certainly, but there's no guarantee it'd be a better one.
      • Herb 3 mths ago
        Merula,

        You do understand that Adolph Hitler was an atheist, as was Stalin, another noted mass-murderer? I am an atheist, but atheism is no protection from error, or excess.

        Where would we be now if religious people the world over hadn't taken the lead in abolishing slavery? The Civil Rights movement was born and nurtured in churches. It's no coincidence that the most famous figure from the American civil rights movement was a reverend.
      • vyAhRtis 3 mths ago
        Sounds good "Someone", where did you copy it from — some religious library? Most of the contents of the library in Alexandria WERE NOT copied, prove me wrong. The Pilgrims left England and erected a religious dictatorship in the New World BEFORE the Thirty Years War was over, and their decision was due to persecution in England, not northern Europe, dimwit. The power of Latin due to the church was most effective in the German-speaking countries, which is why the German language today is "backward", with the verb at the end. You do not know what you are babbling about. And the church NEVER accepted the information you are talking about, well, yes, 300 years after the persecution of Galileo Galilei, the Vatican finally said he was right. Big deal! Religion is the scourge of the earth and it will continue to be until it is wiped out.
    • Wilby  •  3 mths ago
      "They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit." Galileo Galilei
    • A Yahoo! User  •  3 mths ago
      i'm a christian and my best friend is an atheist, and we talk about our beliefs all the time without getting mad and throwing pointless ''santa clause, tooth fairy, burning in hell for not believe'' insults that are already worn out.. we're only going to live once and I wish us both well where we are going after we die if that is we go anywhere.. and yea hate me all you want I don't care I don't believe all atheists are going to hell or any other religion for that matter, I have some atheists friends who help and are more of good than some people that I go to church with.. my imaginary god tells me that ''he can only judge'' so I let him and not point fingers trying to assume the good atheist is going to burn while the pedophile priest is going to heaven ('while not all are pedo's) my faith is just a way of life and it's okay if people poke fun yea some things don't make sense but life all together doesn't really make sense
    • Wilby  •  3 mths ago
      "A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death" Albert Einstein
    • NoahH  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  3 mths ago
      Since the burden of proof is on the individuals making positive statements, will someone please present evidence as to God's existence?
    • Victor Nietsnek  •  Rio de Janeiro, Brazil  •  3 mths ago
      You sweet talker! How dare you speak reason in English?! Keep talking like that and somebody might listen. If they do, they might start living. Do you really want dead-head religious zombies awake instead of waiting to live in Paradise, after they die? Imagine the damage that such stupid beings could cause if awake. Why you might see insane female democracies disintegrating, biosustainability and controlled population, reversed global warming, a repaired ozone layer, and an end to resource exhaustion. Is that what you want?! Be reasonable now. Who needs the human race? Quiet down and let the #$%$ fools stay asleep till "Judgment Day". Hotel Aloirav
    • Big Leo  •  Gila Bend, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      Rorschach has given up on rational argument and has gone to beginning most of his posts with an insult and then continuing with lists he shows no understanding of. He would benefit from a few lessons in courtesy, logical argument, and above all, history.
    • Ozzy  •  Daytona Beach, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      I am a follower of Christ, I share the gospel with those who want to hear it. I don't force my religion on anyone. If I strike up a conversation with someone and they don't want to talk about God that's fine. I have many friends who are atheists. Some that we discuss each other points of view and others who will do nothing but bash religion. My point is there are good and bad in all how they choose to present themselves and their point of view. The media on the other hand is there to stir the pot. To divide as much as possible by only looking at the extreme and never focusing on the normal Christian or Atheists. We are all entitled to our beliefs.
    • Paul King  •  3 mths ago
      “Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.” -- Adolf Hitler, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933, 26 April 1933

      ---- “The Government of the Reich, which regards Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attaches the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See, and is endeavouring to develop them.” – Adolf Hitler, speech to the Reichstag, 23 March 1933

      ---- “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” – Adolf Hitler, speech in Berlin, 24 October 1933
    • ComeAtMeBro  •  3 mths ago
      "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." Roman philosopher Seneca. 150 a.d.
      These words are as relevant today as they have ever been at any time in history.
    • ComeAtMeBro  •  3 mths ago
      " I created the universe, man, woman and a snake to talk them into getting the original sin. Later, I impregnated a virgin Jewish woman with myself as her child so that I could be born. Once alive, I had myself killed as a sacrifice to me, so that I could save you from the sin that I originally condemned you to. Then I arose and rejoined myself in heaven again."_God
      P.s. If you refuse to believe in my story or fail to believe, love, honor worship or obey me OR my son (who is actually me), I will cast you into a lake of fire after you die, where I will torture and burn you and make you suffer and cry for all eternity. But I LOVE you! What a load of crap.
    • Richard  •  Hebron, Indiana  •  3 mths ago
      According to Leo, Christians change their religion to fit environment. So moving Christmas to a pagan holiday (the winter solstice) was done knowingly to "fit in". Sounds like some Christians actually practice evolution (consciously) not only for their benefit but also to promote their religion in non-Christian countries.
    • JulieD  •  3 mths ago
      Unfortunately, its impossible to be logical with believers. And if you even attempt to hold a discussion, they retaliate by quoting their bible at you. Talk about circular! But you are correct, we aren't going away. In fact, we are becoming more vocal. And good for us! Such superstitious nonsense is harmful in many ways.
    • Gina  •  3 mths ago
      Flew has been the Big Dog of Atheism ever since he wrote the “Atheist manifesto” in 1950. He challenged non-Atheists to “prove it” (essentially). However, in 2004 he renounced Atheism due to the inability of rational thought to account for the information content in DNA, which he called “the integrated complexity of the biological world”. He concluded that pre-existing intelligence had to be considered. “I had to follow the Evidence, no matter where it took me.” (Flew, interview with Lee Strobel, radio broadcast).
    • someone_dropped_by  •  3 mths ago
      The author mentions several ways in which religion, and Christianity has not been a force for good. And he's right. Throughout history, people have used God as an excuse to hurt others. But this is not because belief in God makes you a bad person, or an idiot. It happens because people are people. Some of us are better in nature than others, but we are all capable of lying, cheating, stealing and killing, given the right circumstances. And some of us have a great capacity for persuasion, which we can use to hurt or harm.
      Personally, I've always found that the belief held by some atheists that human beings are essentially good to be just a much of a myth as they believe my God to be. To each his own.
      For me, Pascal's theorem makes sense. It does me no harm to serve God, in this world or the next.
    • imanowar  •  3 mths ago
      After many many years of lying to myself and to everyone who knew me, I finally had to be absolutely and brutally honest with the cold hard fact that I truly honestly did not believe hardly any of the religious bunk that had been fed to me over the years. Now, I'm proud to be an atheist (if that's what others insist on labeling me) and can finally be comfortable and at peace knowing that I'm no longer having to put up this religious yet hypocritical facade anymore. I am educated, have a professional career, posses high moral standing, give to and volunteer at several charities, have a mostly conservative outlook on social and fiscal issues, and have a fantastic family and many great friends (most of which are religious). Yes, we are here, we are growing in number daily, and we will resist any and all attempts at legislating religious mandates on our society. Bank on it.
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