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    HuffPo controversy highlights cavalier online editorial culture

    Arianna Huffington (The Canadian Press, Darren Calabrese/AP)What began presumably as an innocent post by a cub reporter has ballooned into one of this week's bigger media controversies.

    Here's the basic time line of events: A young and green Huffington Post journalist named Amy Lee borrowed quite liberally from the content of a piece that ran in Ad Age. However, Lee only offered an attribution and link-out to the original story at the very bottom of her item. The practical impact of this approach to online sourcing was to lift AdAge's content while depriving it of the vast traffic HuffPo supposedly drives over to the outside sites it elects to aggregate content from.

    The author of said AdAge article, veteran media scribe Simon Dumenco, called HuffPo out on this. And HuffPo's business editor, Peter S. Goodman, one of several high-profile bylines that the online news and commentary titan has poached from legacy outlets like the New York Times over the past year, came down on Dumenco's side. He sent out an email Monday that "We have zero tolerance for this sort of conduct," and that Lee had been suspended indefinitely as a result.

    The move didn't sit well with various other journalists (myself included), who questioned why Lee had been "thrown under the bus" given that HuffPo allegedly instructs reporters in this very brand of maximum-rewrite, minimum-attribution blogging.

    "In Amy's case we are concerned that a strong message needs to be conveyed, that we need to distinguish ourselves with original reporting," Goodman explained in an interview with Adweek. "But in terms of the overall message here, the message is that something improper happened here, and that goes up the chain—to the editing."

    This raises the issue of what exactly the editing process at HuffPo entails. One hears varying accounts of editing procedures from within the giant operation--that it differs desk by desk, reporter by reporter; that staffers file their raw copy into a central database from which line-editors retrieve, revise and then publish; that some writers push aggregated posts live to the site without any editing to speak of.

    And since editorial standards can seem like something of a moving target at the aggregation-heavy Huffpo shop, the notion of a "zero tolerance" policy for liberal appropriation of content published elsewhere strains credulity. After all, the specific post that got Lee into trouble seems very much a part of the site's well-established format. If "zero tolerance" is truly the watchword here, how have items like these appeared on the site with such regularity? Did an editor vet Lee's post in the first place? And to what extent is the vast range of HuffPo-branded staff content--which includes five-paragraph celebrity-gossip items and link-outs, slideshows, and in-depth features and investigations--edited?

    These are important questions--not only because someone's job is at stake, and not only because the Huffington Post has, since its high-profile merger with AOL, been keen to elevate its profile as an outlet for serious journalism, as opposed to traffic-driven titillation and polemics. At the risk of sounding like an old-school curmudgeon, the core issue here is how an ethos of best journalist practices are being installed in the new generation of web contributors. Plenty of reporters just like Lee are breaking into journalism at websites that don't have editors closely supervising the flow of content to ensure that it has adequate sourcing, balanced accounts of significant controversies, and that it doesn't stray into the minefields of slander and/or libel. (For the record, 99-percent of the posts that appear on The Cutline and its sister blogs pass before an editor's eyes before being published--which is not, of course, to say we don't ever make mistakes.)

    The instinctive treatment of editing as a luxury that few nimble web operations can really afford has only grown more entrenched alongside the accelerated 24/7 digital news cycle. And it has translated into an overall sloppier standard for much of web-based journalism. More fundamentally, though, it's a disservice to all the eager 22-year-old web journalists out there whose first jobs now come with a salary, but not a mentor.

    A recent report in the New York Observer suggests that this trend is all but endemic at HuffPo, which has established a fellowship program to hire journalists straight out of college:

    As the organization's editorial mission shifts from aggregation to journalism, some new hires on the desk's half-dozen reporters appear to be struggling. Instead of simply filing "rewrites," in company parlance, Huffington Post reporters now select their own story ideas and report them out, generally filing them directly to the copy department.

    "The lack of management—and the lack of true editors—is stunning," a person familiar with the situation told Off the Record. "The younger writers are getting little or no attention from experienced editors, and you can see the results in the copy. The reporters are absolutely set up to fail."

    Goodman took issue with that characterization, telling the Observer it was "patently unfair and a real disservice to our hardworking reporters, who are producing high-quality work."

    As for whether some HuffPo content escapes editing altogether, a spokesman, Mario Ruiz, insisted that "all our staff written pieces are edited." He added of Lee's indiscretion: "As we've said, this was a collective breakdown in the process, with the error shared by editors. This should have been caught." (Goodman was cc-ed on our initial inquiry and follow-ups, but did not weigh in.)

    Ruiz also provided a statement on HuffPo's aggregation standards: "Our editorial approach is that when excerpting a story, we should only offer enough of it to give readers a sense of the story and the ability to comment on it, without removing the incentive to go to the original source to read more. We value the linked economy, and a critical part of that is sending traffic to other sites, which only proper linking can accomplish."

    For now, we'll have to take their word for it. But it's safe to say that staff-generated HuffPo content will start to come under increased scrutiny in light of this incident. Lee, for her part, remains suspended, Ruiz confirmed. Contrary to some initial reports, she has not been fired.

    [DISCLOSURE: To state the obvious, Yahoo! competes directly with HuffPo's parent company, AOL.]

     

    211 comments

    • AZrebel  •  10 mths ago
      Some things have really changed since AOL/HP are partners. Today there was an article written by the president of LaRaza. NO COMMENTS were allowed. This is the first time I have seen such an action by HP.

      And some comments, even though not having any profanity, any name-calling are arbitrarily censored. I have started going to al Jazeera (English) for more news - HP is losing its integrity.
      • Goose Tooth 10 mths ago
        They routinely shut down comments when the story is about Dick Cheney.
      • Vagabond 10 mths ago
        La Raza is a racist subversive organization. Why if Huffington having anything to do with them at all?
      • will 10 mths ago
        so is the Democrat Party and they are the adored of Huff Po, Ariana used to be pro American ,probaly is still , but found there is money in America hate
    • darkride1actual  •  10 mths ago
      how much editing is necessary for a college graduate to understand that they can't steal a story? really?
      • TrueAmerican 10 mths ago
        Be realistic. This is the Puffington Host we're talking about. You're asking for liberals to have a sense of moral character. You might as well try to squeeze water out of rocks.
      • sooku 10 mths ago
        How many words does it take for you to get the point? She didn't steal it, she cited the source. She just didn't cite it at the start of the story.
    • Big Lar  •  10 mths ago
      If you are a journalist with an agenda, you are not a real journalist. Your job is to help people find the truth, not to help one side lie.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      I am no longer even glancing at the Huffington Post. And by the way, PLAGIARISM is unacceptable. Any professional writer needs to come up with their own copy.
    • K  •  10 mths ago
      this 'reporting' style is out and out artistic theft.. How was this not covered in school? As a budding medical writer myself - I was dismayed to see a large international journal literally 'cut & paste' sections of one of my works - with no attribution, even after I contacted them. It took six months of my life, my money, my work to research & write that article (along with a journey half way across the world) only for some jerk to claim it as their own. This is no different. Completely unacceptable but any standards!
      • g 10 mths ago
        > This is no different.
        Except Lee's was not a "cut & paste," it was a rewrite. And Lee's did eventually credit the source.
      • Veritas 10 mths ago
        You are right Kristin, the medical journal community has become shockingly lax at including whole portions of original journal articles into new articles. I find this is especially true with introductory material. For shame.
    • IF.A.R.T.dollarbills  •  10 mths ago
      The Bluffington post is not news by any stretch of the imagination.Purely an opinion organization
    • speedo  •  10 mths ago
      All 6 readers were outraged.
      • A Yahoo! User 10 mths ago
        LOL, Funny!
    • Buddy Gc  •  10 mths ago
      Since when is jouralism rewriting someone else's hard wrok??
    • Heff  •  10 mths ago
      I thought when AOL and Huff Po combined the new acronym was going to be A-HOL.
      • Antiochus 10 mths ago
        You nearly made me laugh out loud in a public place like some sort of super villain... well played.
      • x 10 mths ago
        Pulitzer prize 4 u.
      • spike 10 mths ago
        i don't care who you are, that's funny right there
    • Lao Tzu  •  10 mths ago
      Garbage In, Garbage Out.
    • Ganaimn  •  10 mths ago
      The problem is the blogosphere itself and the "cut&paste" culture. Students find it easier to cut and paste and put their names on it, thinking that amounts to research. Plagiarism is plagiarism, whether it's in a blog post or in a term paper. The blogosphere has essentially allowed every person with an ignorant opinion to share their imbecility and superficiality with the world. I should point out I'm a former newspaper journalist and now a college history professor, and I've encountered this problem in both disciplines. Combined with my having endured how city councils and school boards and the "solid citizens" elected to them operated, I fear for our republic.
    • LibertyChick  •  10 mths ago
      Aggregation and rewrites - this is what bloggers do, not reporters. Just goes to show you that HuffPo is just another blog and not a source for real news after all. I hope Ms Huffington isn't paying her bloggers more than the standard rate of $25 for 250 words.
    • JD  •  10 mths ago
      P L A G I A R I S M - Many college students and young journalists do not seem to comprehend the concept. I don't know if it is due to lack of education/training or the failure to recognize plagiarism as theft or simply apathy & they just do not care. If the writer of the article thinks the punishment is too harsh, maybe the situation strikes too close to home.
    • BillWickens  •  10 mths ago
      Huff Po, Yahoo and many other blog sphere sites are just mouth pieces for ideological fat cats.
    • John M  •  10 mths ago
      Anyone remember Investigative Journalism? That's what you get with reporters that actually think about what they are doing, that think new ideas. That doesn't happen with "rewrites": no matter how much the wording is changed, you are still stuck with the same ideas you started with. And, more than any other reason, this is probably why the American People are being taken to the cleaners by corporate fatcats and their political cronies: journalists aren't thinking through stories anymore, just repeating what other people (hey, guess who that's going to turn out to have been?) have already said.
    • I Bite Politicians  •  10 mths ago
      How can they call themselves journalists? Huffpo is just hack central; nothing original.
    • andrea  •  10 mths ago
      i laughed out loud every time i read the word "journalist" used in this article!
    • AquaSunshine  •  10 mths ago
      All comments below.. I agree with. No sympathy for these hacks. I hope soon, bye bye liberal huff puff
    • AttackWatch  •  10 mths ago
      HuffPo is a sorry news outlet anyway. The owner lady has even been in trouble for stealing other peoples work. Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein would laugh at these loser reporters.
    • Liberal Patriot  •  10 mths ago
      "One hears varying accounts of editing procedures from within the giant operation..." Ah, that familiar "one hears" as opposed to "this reporter researched" or "this reported substantiated." The old guilt by rumor, innuendo as opposed to fact. Pot meet kettle.
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