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    60 percent of Texans suspended before high school graduation

    (Thinkstock)A new study by the by the Council of State Governments finds that 60 percent of Texan students were suspended, expelled or faced in-school suspensions by the time they graduated high school.

    The researchers followed every Texas seventh grader into high school, the New York Times reports, studying almost 1 million students.

    Fifteen percent of the students were disciplined 11 times or more over the six years. And the more frequently a student faced suspension or expulsion, the greater the chances would be that the disciplined student would eventually drop out, according to the Council of State Governments analysis.

    "African-American students and those with particular educational disabilities experience a disproportionately high rate of removal from the classroom for disciplinary reasons," study author Mike Thompson told NPR. Seventy percent of black female students were expelled or suspended, compared to 37 percent of white girls, he said.

     

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    • LongTime shareholder  •  9 mths ago
      broken family, failed discipline, debt ridden countries, WHAT IS GOING ON WITH USA? summer military camp would be a good move. youth need to learn how to obey and MARCH, they need to learn the skill to survive. and follow orders
    • con  •  9 mths ago
      Didn't say anything about Mexican students.
    • Christian  •  10 mths ago
      This is just shameful of my generation. Regardless of race, I think contemporary pop culture glorifies lack of discipline and the need to demonstrate power through superficial means (money, strength, sex, etc) as well as setting unrealistic examples, such as lives led by some of today's major pop icons and reality television celebrities. True strength lies within education of the mind and body, sound decisions, and reasonable thoughts. We need to advance from this brutish mindset. I'm glad this mindset never infected me like it has many of my peers. I value education and I value sound judgment. This isn't to say that I believe that my generation should be perfect, just understand how decisions today can affect them tomorrow. That saying about living for today holds true when you made today an ideal circumstance; though it is fun, adolescence is not an ideal circumstance, and we should definitely not think about only living for today. I just hope we see that before it's too late.
      • Tony 10 mths ago
        When you talk about contemporary pop culture you need to include the contemptuous behavior of people like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. These two are very popular with certain kinds of people.
      • Kansai Kid 10 mths ago
        I have been teaching for over 20 years and I wonder what has happen to our country and schools.
    • Truthbetold  •  10 mths ago
      It seems this article was honest, although some seem to suggest it leans towards blaming the "system", but it didn't hide the fact that most of the kids are black. I'm black for the record, and frankly didn't want my kid going to a majority black school because of this very problem. Lack of discipline and parenting is at the root of these issues. Probably the parents of these kids have a ghetto mentality and simply don't value education, and don't go to church. The parents of these kids are loud without civility thus the kids are loud and brash. Nothing wrong with being poor, but there is something wrong with not having values, and not understanding and appreciating education. This is not all blacks, as many are doing well but it's those that are left behind that we hear about. Look I was raised early by my dad who couldn't read or write he was born in the South in 1935, but he insisted that I go to school and study and get good grades. He also never blamed anyone for his plight in life or said disparaging things about whites or any other groups, as his concern was me. I skipped school once not knowing that he checked on me, he found me and literally whooped me while we walked home; he even said hi to a passer-by too, notice I said skipped once. Ghetto parents today laugh at their daughters dancing nasty at the age of two rather than chastising them. They think it's cute when their little-man acts thuggish, why, because they are caught-up too. Caught-up in a thuggish street mentality that the only hope is through basketball, or some other sport; through OJ getting perceived justice for their perceived injustices in life; despite a life of repeated wrong choices. Their kids run the schools by bullying other students, eventually they get left behind to only have their kids repeat the cycle of ignorance and the ghetto mentality. Now that’s optimistic as many die in the streets. It takes exceptional luck for a kid raised in the “hood” to come out without succumbing to peer pressure and joining gangs. Civility is a norm long lost in the hood, it’s also lost on Yahoo boards, so the rest of us have to pay one way or another. I digress, the parents must change first, but how can change occur when they see nothing wrong! When crime in normal, and they themselves benefit from their child’s ill gotten gain. The onus is not on the educational system, rather the parents, at some point they have to wake-up and be responsible for the monster they’ve created.
      • Lili 10 mths ago
        THANK YOU. I resigned from teaching because of parents who coddle and insist on being friends with their children. Learning cannot happen without discipline, and parents neither discipline their children nor allow educators to do so. I decided to spend time on my own family, rather than continuing to toil as an underpaid babysitter. I will miss the approximately 30% of students whose families were supportive, and who desired to work, but I am still ecstatic over my decision to focus my efforts on a more positive new career. Parents, stop constantly calling/emailing the teacher. Ask your child. He was in class. And extensions? Do it on TIME or at least ask before the due date has PASSED. Also, American parents, the teachers that are staying in the public schools are not always "dedicated." Sometimes they are just schmucks who are allowed to be lazy and all of their students "earn" A's. To the truly dedicated educators who are still persevering, my hat is off to you, and I am praying for you.
      • schoolmarm 10 mths ago
        Well said, Truthbetold and Lili. Your responses are articulate, sensible, and logical. Like you, Lili, I resigned from teaching because of the lack of respect from disruptive students, having to be a policeman rather than a teacher, and dealing with parents who shirked their parental responsibilities. And I was teaching in Eastern Oregon where I had white students, not black. I wholeheartedly agree with your comment regarding the teachers who are staying in the system. From my recent experiences and observations as a substitute, these teachers are definitely subpar. Some of them are a few years from retirement and actually verbalized that they are just waiting to get on PERS and out of the classroom. Their hearts are not in their jobs. I would not want my children to be sitting in their classrooms. A recent subbing experienced placed me in a developmentally disabled classroom where the teacher could not even identify Kansas on a US map. I was unsure if it was the teacher who was DD or the students. It is beyond comprehension to me that school boards are making decisions affecting our educational system, yet I would guess that most of them have not been in a classroom since their last formal academic experience. I would like to see school board members make unscheduled visits to classrooms; they would be shocked at what they would see, I'm sure. How can they make decisions on the educational system if they are not observing and staying current with what is actually taking place in the schools?

        I, too, salute and commend the dedicated, knowledgeable, competent, and responsible teachers who are still in the trenches, trying to make a difference in students' lives. They are outstanding individuals.
      • Nosmo 10 mths ago
        I agree with Schoolmarm, well said Truthbetold and Lili. Thank you for well thought out responses.
    • Mr O  •  10 mths ago
      Here in NY, that number is 72%. i wonder why NYT is picking on texas instead of picking on their own state.
      • Tom Foolery 10 mths ago
        I think some of those drop-outs work for the NYT.
      • Dustin 10 mths ago
        Probably because the conservative governor of Texas is being looked at as a possible Presidential candidate.
      • Thelby 10 mths ago
        Oh and Ms. Liz Goodwin, that wrote this article, must be one of the students that was suspended. Her very first sentence denotes some sort of Grammatical failures and lack for proof reading.
    • Capt E  •  10 mths ago
      I'm a retired US Navy Captain (that's the same pay grade as a Colonel in the other services for those unfamiliar with Navy rank structure) who spent 25-years leading young people in the very demanding life at sea in the far corners of the planet. As a commissioned officer I had a lot of power, even as a newly commissioned Ensign (2nd Lieutenant), over those in my command. One learns to use that power judiciously and to lead by example; showing people the right way to do things. Officers also have a lot of help from their senior enlisted leaders as well. They keep things "ship shape" and running smoothly. However, when one had no choice but to "drop the hammer" on someone who had misbehaved, we had the Uniform Code of Military Justice to lean on. I could, especially in the latter stages of my career, confine someone to the ship for upwards of 60 days as well as take away their present rank and half of their pay for two months. None of this is considered a conviction in court. It is merely a commanding officer maintaining good order and discipline, and the malefactor not only got taught a lesson, but he or she was also held up as an example for the crew on what happens when you beard the lion. I retired in 2003. In 2004 I became a full-time public high school history teacher in suburban Phoenix, AZ. The school was extremely "diverse," though predominately white and middlecl#$%$. From day one, everything from my knowledge to my manhood was challenged by these kids, and worse, by the administrators for whom I served. With two master's degrees to my credit, I am pretty sure my knowledge was good, as I was certified to teach both social studies and the hard sciences. However, the simple fact is that other than leadership by example, I had no real way to enforce the school district's discipline code. Worse yet, if a teacher did write a referral on a student for misbehavior, the teacher's cl#$%$room management abilities were called into question by the administration. I watched many good, knowledgeable, teachers, especially women, leave after only a year or two; some quite frankly out of fear both real and imagined. I was a bit tougher and hanged in there for six years, but even I, a combat veteran, had had enough. Candidly, I grew afraid of my increasing inability to ignore the very real slights to what the ancient Romans referred to as their "dignitas" and "auctoritas." I am a large man with some military "skills" and I was afraid that one of these days I was going to lose it and give one of the little #$%$ some "wall to wall counseling"; or break every thumb covertly texting under their desks (it is one of my dreams to find the person who invented the cell phone and blackberry, etc. and shove said communications instruments up their #$%$ sideways). I feel for the good kids, the ones I taught in Advanced Placement (AP) US History. They deserved a lot better than what they got when the administration decided it was OK to fill those AP cl#$%$es with 42 kids! The AP program states that 18 is the max that a teacher should try to teach and manage. I got 42 each in three cl#$%$es, and taught two others in the International Baccalaureate (IB) program. All of them were cheated by this lunacy. So, the people of Arizona, a state with a very suspect educational success rate, lost another good, knowledgeable and dedicated teacher. All because no one above me had the balls to tell Mommy and Daddy that little Johnny is the devil's spawn and the best part of him had dribbled down Daddy's leg. A pox on all of their houses. I work in an engineering firm now making three times what the state was paying me to try to instill some knowledge and life skills in its youth, but more to the point, to put up with the abject cowardice of the administrators and the lack of parenting skills by those who dropped their issue on an unsuspecting society. Good luck America; you are going to need it.
      • Hiker P 10 mths ago
        Yo, wassup. Yo stinkin a$$ poce be too long for us to be reedin it and sheeet. Yall need to type less, nome sain. Iss like you train to kunfuse us!
      • Capt E 10 mths ago
        Hiker, I damn near lost my Diet Coke through my nose!! LOL!!
      • CURTIS 10 mths ago
        Captain E, I was a PO2 (E5 for you ground pounders and fly boys) The administrations at the schools I taught at had rules, like the dress code, that they would tell teachers flat out "This must be enforced" then refuse to stand behind the teacher that bothers to try. The first school I taught at had a principal that was more interested in golf and becoming the district superintendent, than maintaining anything resembling order in his school. He would not enforce the dress code even after his speech about how important the dress code was too creating a good learning environment. We did have a tall, stately, righteous and proper Biology teacher that I will call Mrs. S. Mrs. S was the enforcer of the dress code. She would collect referrals from other teachers and shove them down the Principals throat and dictate punishments. If a parent tried to take the issue to the (100% Hispanic) school board, she was there to give the school board some back bone. She was amazing, and had that power that needed no support from any chain of command. She got her strength right from the top, and I do mean God himself. She had been a Protestant missionary someplace where the natives still served Missionary Stew and they probably considered her meat to be too tough. She told me, "Mr. Curtis, what we do here at MFHS is missionary work, not for Jesus, but for America". I lasted one year there and tried to teach at another school where, after two years, the Principal told me, "Mister Curtis, don't give up on teaching, although you will no longer be allowed to teach here. You have five days to submit your resignation (as of the end of the school year) or else I will recommend to the board that your contract be terminated as of the end of the school year". The thing that really got to me was that since this was all done rather quietly, the other teachers were unaware that I was history(Gee thanks Mister union rep!!!). As the end of the school year approached, I lost count of the number of teachers that stopped by to congratulate me on completing my third year (which would have earned me my continuing certificate). They all said the same thing: "You know, Vets usually don't make it" I just nodded and said "thank you" until the school paper published a list of teachers that would not be back the next year.
    • Amadeus  •  10 mths ago
      All you non-teachers out there can say whatever you like; until you've spent months inside a classroom as a teacher you have no clue as to what you're talking about. I taught and subbed for 5 years in the Pinellas County school system in Florida. The reason why 70% of African-American girls are expelled/suspended etc. is because they're little brats who think they can do whatever they want in a classroom and make it IMPOSSIBLE to teach the ones who want to learn.
      You want to scream about equal rights, well these little snots are denying an equal opportunity to everyone who does want to learn. I said it a million times and I'll say it again; I don't care what race you are or anything else, you disrupt class and I will kick your sorry selfish, narcissistic butt out of my classroom. I don't care if it's 99% of the class. The one student who wants to learn will have that opportunity. Just because you're black doesn't mean squat.
      • shawn c 10 mths ago
        Steve, i usually don't agree with teachers, but you are right on with this. As a parent I send my kids to school prepared to learn and aware of their own responsibility in the class room .
      • pragmatist 10 mths ago
        We should kick them out of school and not graduate them if they are not interested in learning. The benefit is smaller class sizes populated by those who want to learn. Another benefit is provision of a meaningful diploma to those who earn them.
      • John H 10 mths ago
        Well said.
    • Jenna  •  10 mths ago
      If through Black Gangster Rap WE feed our young on 'disrespect', 'hate', 'anger', 'rebellion', and 'disrespect especially toward women' then our young are going to have more behavior problems in school then those who don't (and wont') allow their kids to listen to such musical indoctrination. Come on, we are not that stupid, our babies are growing up idolizing those who promote such behavior and then we wonder why they have more problems in school. Lets teach our kids respect for authority, forgiveness, self-control, generosity, love, and gentleness and our kids will put all the others to shame by their behavior. And lets stop teaching our kids that they are oppressed, we are only teaching them resentment and rage. Lets tell them instead that the world is wide open before them and they can make it what they want it to be and can become whatever they want to be. But it comes through decent behavior and hard work. Blacks and whites and all other races succeed all the time in this country by treating others right and hard work. If we teach them that they are oppressed and let them feed on Black Rap, then WE ARE HANDICAPPING YOUR OWN BABIES!! IT IS TIME WE CHANGE. Our kids are falling behind other races kids and it's our own fault, we handicap them by the things we put in their heads. Our kids will change when we change first!
    • Joe  •  10 mths ago
      the trouble with disruptive students started when the child abuse laws gave the children the right to rebel. it became noted that school teachers could not deciplne students for wrong doings, parents became afraid of there kids for fear of being reported to authorities and probably be jailed or fined. now tell me how many of you that attended school in the 50's and 60's walked a straight line for fear of being paddled or fear of parents being notified and get ground. troubled kids have always been around, but not as bad as today. child abuse laws were implemented to protect from drunken parents and child molesters. parents shouldn't be afraid of there own children, thats why children loose respected for the elders, they know they can get away with by just calling the police and lying.
    • robert  •  10 mths ago
      perhaps african-americans should try to behave and obey common rule and courtesy. at some point they have to take responsibility for their actions!!!!
    • Roger  •  10 mths ago
      Lack of discipline at home makes them act like animals when they're out with the general public.
    • JJMurray  •  10 mths ago
      I was wondering why they decided to pick Texas and no other state and then I looked at who funded the study...Atlantic Philanthropies and the Open Society Foundations. Check out their websites and you will understand very quickly why.
    • Thekid  •  10 mths ago
      It's not just Texans. In Detroit, 80% of the high schools fail to produce ONE kid that, upon 'graduation' is actually ready for college. Pathetic. Maybe it's time to bring back corporal punishment into the schools ? The kids are the way they are because they are 100% certain that nobody will lay a single hand on them. Bring back the fear, and you'll bring back better grades.
    • Al  •  10 mths ago
      Imagine if a gang of over a dozen white kids gang raped a black female child in Texas. The press would go insane. It would be the story of the decade. Now imagine what really happened. A gang of up to 19 blacks did in fact gang rape a white female child in Liberty Texas. Charges are currently being compiled. The news coverage is confined to local coverage only.
    • Peter Wolf  •  10 mths ago
      Wow, what a surprise. The black students require more disciplinary action than the white ones. Who would have thought? Guess what? The results are no different in other states, even ultra-liberal California.
    • Hudman  •  10 mths ago
      The reason that there is a disproportionate number of black and Hispanic kids being suspended and/or disciplined in schools is because they are the one doing the most misbehaving. I have been a public school teacher in Texas for 35 years, and Ican assure I don't wake up every morning and say to myself, "How can I screw over a black or Hispanic kid today." That is just ludicrous. I go to work everyday with the idea that kids are going to follow directions, put forth their best effort, and work hard to attain a quality education. Somewhere along the way, society got the impression that teachers can make students learn. It is not a passive process for the student. A student must work hard and apply himself in order to learn - it doesn't happen by osmosis. Teachers can create an environment conducive to learning, can motivate students to work hard, can give extra assistance to those students who require it...but the bottom line is the student has to want to learn, put forth his best effort to learn, and care about learning in the first place. And don't blame parents and or environment for student failure. Every student makes his own decision to get a good education or not. By blaming it on their home environment or socio-economic circumstances. we are perpetuating the same cycle of poverty and ignorance that has gone on for too many generations as it is. Today's students have to want to break this cycle and be willing to put forth the effort to make it happen. Otherwise, they are doomed to fall into the same path their parents and grandparents did.
    • Tax the church  •  10 mths ago
      Of course “black” girls get suspended more; they never shut the he!! up.
    • Robin  •  10 mths ago
      Half of those suspensions were for unapproved hairstyles or raggety jeans.
    • KT  •  10 mths ago
      I just finished sending 2 children through a Texas high school, both with class size around 600 students, and out of all of their friends, I only know the brother of one friend that was suspended. I would have guessed 2 to 3 % instead of 60%. that number does not make sense to me.
    • Heidi Butler  •  10 mths ago
      My oldest daughter (19) is a pre-med student at a prestigious university in the mid-west. My 2nd oldest is entering an Ivy League college this Fall & will be in the marching band. Big 10 league school.
      BOTH HAVE BEEN HOMESCHOOLED & YES, OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE "WELL SOCIALIZED." Do you home work. There is data proving that it works better than traditional schooling. Most parents do have the capacity to do this! If you are interested look into it, it really works.
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