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    Obama’s jobs council wants help for startups, but will that spur hiring?

    President Barack Obama with GE Chairman Jeffrey Immelt. AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsi …President Obama's jobs council is set to propose help for new start-up companies as a key component of its recommendations for encouraging hiring. But one expert on entrepreneurship says that's the wrong approach to the present jobs crisis.

    The panel, which will hold its third meeting Tuesday, will propose that Congress eliminate taxes on income from investments of $25 million or less in a privately held firm, so long as the investment is held for at least five years, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal. And the panel will also reportedly urge cuts to corporate income taxes for the first three years of a new company's existence.

    But Scott Shane, an economics professor at Case Western Reserve University, thinks the focus on startups is off base. "Most of the businesses that create jobs are not new--they're more established businesses," Shane, the author of the 2008 book, "The Illusions of Entrepreneurship: The Costly Myths that Entrepreneurs, Investors, and Policymakers Live By," told The Lookout. "The businesses that are brand new in a given year are only accounting for a couple percentage points of total employment."

    "A tax cut for new businesses doesn't do a lot for existing businesses," he said.

    Nor, despite the hype, are the major job creators likely to be dynamic, new-economy companies, he said. "These policies assume a small number of super high-growth businesses are where jobs are created," Shane continued. "Like you're going to get the next Apple or Google." In fact, he said, the bulk of actual job creation is more mundane. "It's getting another barber in the barber shop, another person working at the dry cleaner."

    Even for existing businesses, a corporate tax cut doesn't help most of the real job creators, Shane said. "Most small businesses are not corporations, they're sole proprietorships," he said. "Corporate taxes are irrelevant to them."

    Part of the problem, Shane argued, is the composition of the president's jobs council, which is chaired by G.E. chair Jeff Immelt, and made up mostly of other big business executives, including several from the tech sector.

    "These are people who are part of the system of creating high-potential, high-tech companies," Shane said. "They're not people who have a tremendous amount of expertise on small businesses."

    That's a problem, he added, because "the issues that a venture-capital-backed startup is facing today are just not the same issues that a typical small business is facing."

    What would be a better approach? Existing firms aren't hiring because of a lack of demand for their products and services, Shane said, so any effort to encourage them to hire needs to address that lack of demand. In addition, many small businesses are dependent on small-scale investments made by their owners, who for a while tended to borrow against the value of their homes. That meant the housing bust took a big toll on financing for small businesses.

    "So if you want to get small businesses expanding, you need a way to replace the credit they had got by using their homes," Shane said.

    In addition to the recommendations on startups, the jobs council also will propose efforts to streamline regulations, in order to ensure new construction projects are green-lighted more quickly, and to encourage foreign investments. Both are ideas that the administration has touted several times before.

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    224 comments

    • High Country  •  7 mths ago
      Some of the quoted are correct, it is the established businesses that can provide more immediate and meaningful hiring. Start ups often languish for a couple of years before really making any market impact. Even then, they are often very small operations. But business is NOT going to invest in capital or hiring until there is demand. As usual, the politicians have no clue as to how the economy actually operates.
    • Bill  •  7 mths ago
      Solyndra cost $543 million dollars and it created ZERO PERMANANT JOBS..

      OBAMA'S PLANS SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF AMERICAN CAPITAL.
    • sage s  •  7 mths ago
      NO IT WILL NOT.
      People having disposable income to spend, creates demand, and that demand creates jobs.
      Why is this so hard to understand?
      People no longer have disposable income, thus they do not spend, thus no jobs are created.

      When was the last time you bought something you did not need?
      Exactly, you are only buying the essentials, because you no longer have disposable income.
      Tax cuts and stimulus packages will not create any long term jobs.
      The only thing that will create long term jobs, is a strong middle class. A middle class that has shrunk and is on the verge of existence in the United States.

      JUST THE FACTS, STOP BELIEVING THE STINKING POLITICIANS. GOP AND DEMOCRATS, ARE ALL SLIMY RATS.
      • PappaDoc 7 mths ago
        If those hundreds of dollars we have to put in our cars to get to work were half what it is, know how much disposable income that is?
      • Bill 7 mths ago
        Solyndra cost $543 million dollars and it created ZERO PERMANANT JOBS..

        OBAMA'S PLANS SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF AMERICAN CAPITAL.
      • Joel T 7 mths ago
        Would you people wake up, America has been bought and paid for. There is no capital left. This country was looted. Plain and simple. The reason why nothing changes is because you aren't part of the richest 1% with your hand in congresses pocket. This country is finished and will turn into the next 3rd world. The rich at the top and then the rest of us.
    • yahooyall  •  7 mths ago
      Obama's job council includes advice from Kodak which will soon file for bankruptcy. He sure knows how to pick 'em! Jeff Immelt, CEO of General Electric has moved their X-ray plant to China and invested $2B in building 2 new research facilities and to train 45 engineers. GE has received waivers from the Clean Air Act restrictions that will inforce that all coal burning electric plants in the US to pay $800M (this is one of the regulations Obama requested the DOE to delay). Obama vowed he would make it too expensive for coal burning electric plants to remain in operation. He appointed the chairman of the DOE without congressional confirmation to do his bidding!
      • NUNYA 7 mths ago
        Not only that, but G.E. is helping the Chinese develop new jet engines to use in their airline industry in direct competition with Boeing. Backstabbers!
      • Bill 7 mths ago
        Solyndra cost $543 million dollars and it created ZERO PERMANANT JOBS..

        OBAMA'S PLANS SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF AMERICAN CAPITAL.
    • bugume  •  7 mths ago
      He just announced that the projects will begin with or without Congressional approval. Bypassing congress through czars
      • Staples 7 mths ago
        I love that we live in the Soviet Union now...
      • d 7 mths ago
        Why not we are in a illegal war
      • Chris 7 mths ago
        is it time to march on DC
    • john  •  7 mths ago
      obama gave solyndra $535 Million before bankruptcy. WAKEUP AMERICA
      • kcmasterpiece 7 mths ago
        you have to wonder how much of that came back to him for bribe purposes.
      • Bill 7 mths ago
        Solyndra cost $543 million dollars and it created ZERO PERMANANT JOBS..

        OBAMA'S PLANS SUCK THE LIFE OUT OF AMERICAN CAPITAL.
    • John  •  7 mths ago
      Lets import some more illegals and finish destroying the country it will make the Liberals Happy !!!!!
      • David 7 mths ago
        And when their utopia fails to materialize (again), it will be because not enough taxpayer money was spent. Liberals are a funny lot... even when proven wrong time and time again, they never seem to give up.
    • tiredofthewashingtonbs  •  7 mths ago
      wonder what his kickback is from all this stimulus money to losers????? just asking because we know where he is from
    • Anthony  •  7 mths ago
      Just like with all bills, only the headline is about Jobs, but what's inside the measure has nothing to do with Jobs Wake Up America!!!!
    • Gary  •  7 mths ago
      So Obama will help start-ups in areas he likes at the expense of taxing others out of business. Net improvement in jobs = ZIP. But the Libs will feel better about themselves because they have helped nonproductive "green" businesses survive a bit longer. Sound familiar???
    • james  •  7 mths ago
      You mean like Solyndra? And the 1st stimulus that resulted in so many new start up and new hirings! ya, that is what we need more of.
    • PappaDoc  •  7 mths ago
      Chucklehead said those "shovel ready jobs" wen't there, (didn't stop him from writing the checks) but now he has Trumka there to remind him where to send the checks. Whats different now? Nothing, just more Kensian economics that has proven itself not to work. You can pour gas in the carb, but if there is no gas in the tank........
    • TRADE REDD NOW  •  7 mths ago
      Jeff Immelt, CEO of a multi-billion dollar company that doesn't pay taxes, believes one way to spur job growth is to lower his company's tax rate. What a ploy, as GE can only ask employees to make so many concessions as way to inflate the bottom line. You know, the bottom line is the same thing Jeff Immelt's stock options use to determine his money. Cut costs, higher stock options.

      Since unions have been busted, jobs moved overseas, corners cut, just where can these CEOs keep up with the increasing revenue (or decreasing expenses to give the impression of a fat bottom line) in a period of global contraction? They have identified taxes as an area they can use their influence to increase their bottom line and their stock options.
    • Steve  •  7 mths ago
      Where is a start-up going to get "up to $25 million" if the banks can't lend? And if the banks were allowed to lend, incentives wouldn't be needed .. businesses would expand.

      Do people get more and more stupid as income and power rise? It sure seems like it to me.
    • DE  •  7 mths ago
      There are not enough customers for existing business. It's much more dire than we see in the news. How long before the start up needs more and more money. If you cannot sell what you already have for sale, you do not add more product to your inventory.
    • MrNetvestor  •  7 mths ago
      As usual.....an off-base, half-A$$ed, too-little-too-late approach.

      The embarrassment just keeps mounting.
    • freedom47  •  7 mths ago
      getting rid of illegal will spur alot of hiring...that is where all the jobs are at...there is no demand cause too many illegal flooded the market..
    • Staples  •  7 mths ago
      Smart move Obama, give another $500 Million to you're CEO buddies so they can go BK and continue raping this once great nation...
    • fered  •  7 mths ago
      Sure, just throw some more money at it.
    • Smacking Liberals  •  7 mths ago
      Answer to the headline.....NO, more pork thats it!
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