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    Will the Supreme Court intervene over Proposition 8?

    Prop 8 paintiffs Jeff Zarrillo, left, and Paul Katami, middle, with their lawyer Ted Olson in Los Angeles, Feb. …

    A panel of federal judges has ruled California's ban on gay marriage unconstitutional. But that's hardly the end of the story.

    Supporters of the marriage ban -- passed by voters as Proposition 8 in 2008 -- will almost certainly appeal the ruling, which was made by a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. That means Prop. 8's fate -- and perhaps the fate of other efforts to ban gay marriage -- could ultimately be decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    But first, the nation's top court would have to decide to take the case, known as Perry v. Brown. How likely is it that it'll do so?

    Several legal experts say they'd be surprised if the Supreme Court chose to intervene. Here's why: Though it struck down Prop. 8, the 9th Circuit panel stopped short of addressing the larger question of whether gay marriage bans could ever be constitutional. Instead, it ruled more narrowly that because California had earlier allowed gays to marry, Prop. 8 violated the constitution's Equal Protection clause, by removing rights that had previously existed. As precedent, Judge Stephen Reinhardt pointed to a 1996 decision, Romer v. Evans, striking down an effort by Colorado to prevent the government from passing anti-discrimination laws to protect gays.

    That specific set of facts -- the removal of previously existing rights -- doesn't apply to most states. As a result, some experts say, the narrowness of the panel's ruling may dissuade the Supreme Court from taking the case, since the justices usually prefer to get involved in cases where their rulings will have broader applications for the country as a whole.

    That's the view of David Boies, the high-profile lawyer who represented the two same-sex couples challenging the case.  "The grounds for the opinion, I think, do make it somewhat less likely that the Supreme Court will take it," Boies told reporters on a conference call, since it "just applies to California."

    Jeffrey Toobin, the author of the 2007 book, "The Nine: Inside the Secret World of the Supreme Court," appears even more convinced that the justices will stay away. "This withdrawal of the right to marry has occurred in no state other than California," Toobin wrote Wednesday on the website of The New Yorker, where he's a staff writer. "[T]he Supreme Court's Justices are unlikely to review a case that has no broader application."

    But not everyone agrees. Tom Goldstein, a Washington lawyer who writes the well-regarded SCOTUSblog, which covers the Supreme Court closely, told Yahoo News that unless the full 9th Circuit reverses the decision, it's "very likely" that the high court will weigh in.

    "The question is so important, and the Court tends to review decisions invalidating state laws when they present important questions," Goldstein wrote in an email.

    Jason Mazzone, the Gerald Baylin Professor of Law at Brooklyn Law School, agreed. Mazzone said in an interview with Yahoo News that he thinks it's "inevitable" that the Supremes will ultimately take the case, noting that only four of the nine justices are need to vote in favor of getting involved.

    Why? First, Mazzone pointed out, the panel's ruling was 2-1, rather than unanimous, and it came from the 9th Circuit, the most reversed circuit in the country. Mazzone added that Reinhardt, who wrote the decision, is "among the most reversed" judges. As such, the ruling represents a "perfect storm for Supreme Court review," he said.

    Further, Mazzone argued that California isn't the only state to have granted marriage rights, then taken them away. Hawaii, he wrote in a follow-up email, "did exactly what California did here: the courts granted marriage rights, a referendum repealed them." So confining the implications of the ruling to the Golden State alone could be difficult.

    That's not all. By ruling that the people of California couldn't remove rights previously conferred, Mazzone argued, the panel was saying that "if a state court grants rights under the state constitution, then any effort by the people of the state to amend the state constitution to correct that decision violates the federal Constitution." He described that view as "breath-taking."

    Gay marriage aside, that difference of interpretation of the courts' authority is "a very significant issue," Mazzone said. "That, by itself, would be a reason to grant review."

    And as if all that isn't enough, Mazzone said, the Supreme Court might also be ready to issue a wider ruling on the constitutionality of gay marriage bans in general -- either because the liberal judges see a chance to strike down such bans, or because the conservative ones see a chance to uphold them. The 9th Circuit panel may have tried to confine itself to the California case, but the Supreme Court, he noted, isn't similarly bound.

    Still, we could be waiting a while for any Supreme Court ruling. Mazzone said that even if the full 9th Circuit doesn't first get involved, the Supremes likely wouldn't get to the case until October at the very earliest. And if the lower court does intervene, the case certainly wouldn't get to the Supreme Court until 2013. That means that, for better or worse, the issue is unlikely to be resolved before the presidential election this fall.

    As for how the justices might rule if the case does come their way, no one's too confident. But most observers expect the swing vote, as so often, to be Justice Kennedy, a member of the court's conservative majority who nonetheless sided with its liberal members in writing the opinions in both Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas, the landmark 2003 case which struck down anti-sodomy laws. Several legal experts have noted that, in its very narrowness, Reinhardt's opinion appears to have been written specifically to appeal to Kennedy.

    "I wouldn't bet my house on five votes to require gay marriage in all U.S. states, territories, and Guantanamo," wrote Garrett Epps, a law professor at the University of Baltimore and a veteran legal writer, on the website of The American Prospect. "But I suspect Reinhardt has a different outcome in his mind—four Justices (you fill in the names) supporting the broader right to marry, four others (again, you pick 'em) denying its existence, and one, whose initials might be AMK, affirming Reinhardt's narrower opinion."

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    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  1 mth 15 days ago
      DOMA should be upheld. Marriage is between a man and a woman. The Yes on Prop 8 side won the popular vote. The votes of the people should be upheld. We are living in a demcracy and not a dictatorship. The radical Ninth Circuit Court ruling should be thrown out. It is just that the gays want Americans to live under a dictatorship with them telling hetrosexuals how to live! It is them that are wanting Americans to live against living a normal hetrosexual life. Anything other than marraige between a man and a woman is wrong!
    • Tom  •  2 mths ago
      If homosexuality was born that way why do all of them hide in the closet with guilt are they born that way also? If that were true no one would object to homosexual acts, these carnal lusts are against the laws of nature the laws of the universe the laws of Darwinism, and the laws of God
    • Tom  •  2 mths ago
      Republic believe in god given rights to rule oneself.
      Democracy against God, against prayer, against religious freedoms, against religious icons, and against God in public.

      We have given up the Republic for an Anti-God Demography Democracy.
    • Tom  •  2 mths ago
      In the universe why are all trees not male, why are all flowers not all males, all bees male, all animals male, all fish males, all insects male and all people males. Darwinism says if the specie cannot or does not reproduce it is through evolving. Homosexuals want the right to adopt and proselyte our children. Homosexuals choose their carnal nature. It would defy God and Darwinism for any specie to be homosexual.
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      There is an interview regarding Prop 8 by Bill Moyers on PBS. The voters in California passed the Yes on Prop 8 winning the majority with 7 million votes. Why is it called Prop 8? Where did they even get that number from? Did you know that the movie My Fair Lady won 8 academy awards. How can the Yes on Prop 8 man be live at the Golden Globes when he supposedly died in 1995? Why is England getting involved in this because they do not have a United States Constitutional government but instead have a monarchy?
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      The first amendment of the Constitution protects the freedom of religion!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      Marriage is between a man and a woman! If Prop 8 loses in the US Supreme court could Americans end up losing PBS? Think aboout for a minute!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      The ACLU in Lousiana proved that same sex marriage is immoral in a court case invoving only one man! They won their case. Therefore the 7 million voters in California that approved the Yes on Prop 8 side that marriage is between a man and a woman should be declared Constitutional. How could 7 million voters be wrong? How many sides can the ACLU take on this issue without being considered a conflict of interest!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      Therefore none of the same sex marriages performed anywhere can be considered legal!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      The ACLU in Texas supported the students that had the Ten Comandments removed from the locker room.
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      The ACLU in Louisana (2006) defended a Christian man and won regarding protesting against Homosexual marriage stating that it is immoral in front of Wal Mart! If it is proved immoral in Lousiana then why is it not considered immoral in California? Another reason that the Yes on Prop 8 side will win!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      The ACLU says that teachings of the Bible as Literature is "Constitutional" as long as it is presented objectively. Therefore the ACLU is saying that marriage between a man and a woman is "Constitutional"! Therefore the other side must be wrong. Case Closed!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      Marriage is between a man and a woman. The yes on Prop 8 side won the popular vote. With most court cases the witnesses have to swear that they will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help them God. Since the Bible is against gay marriage then how can they swear on the Bible to testify in favor of it?
    • Super S  •  3 mths ago
      if you are only worried about buttsex; you really need a life
      i cant remember when i was last worried about weather my heterosexual neighbor ever explored cunnilingus or premarital sex:
      time to finish with your puberty buddy
    • Diana  •  Irvine, California  •  2 mths ago
      It is the straights that need the protection of Marriage instead of the gays. The straights need marriage to protect their children! Marriage is important because of the issue of being an illegitimate or legitmate regarding children. Since the other same sex couples cannot have children they really do not need the benefits of Marriage!
      • Albert DOrazio 2 mths ago
        That logic is flawed. Procreation is neither a requirement nor a commitment in marriage. Otherwise the infertile and the elderly would not be able to marry.
    • Jeff  •  3 mths ago
      This essentially forces churches to go against their principles. That is a violation of the separation of church and state as given in the 1st amendment.
      • Samm 3 mths ago
        Which is why most same-sex marriage bills allow the Church the right to not officiate marriages. The bill in New York allows for Churches to deny marrying a couple. It simply gives all the other Churches the legal right to marry same-sex couples.
      • Emily 3 mths ago
        Church's actually do get to say whether or not they will marry a couple, and the government cannot intervene because of the 1st amendment. There is a church that won't marry interracial couples and they have every right to do that, despite the fact that it's ridiculous. So church's don't have to marry gay couples, or any couple they don't want to for that matter, but as Samm said, they can and so can any other religious institution.
      • Super S 3 mths ago
        THE CHURCH cherry picks the bible anyway
        i never see churches complain about shell fish and red lobster
        shows you how arbitrary complaining about homosexuals and rump sex really is
    • L  •  Dallas, Texas  •  2 mths ago
      The ninth circuit ruling is ridiculous. It amounts to a statement that once a court has ruled on an issue, neither the legislature nor the public (through an initiative) can do anything about it. That's clearly idiotic; the ninth circuit it not GOD.

      Further, I may be wrong, but I don't remember anyone recognizing plural marriage when it was legal in Utah. Of course part of the reason for that is that it was before I was born. But I am sure no one did.

      As for the fourteenth amendment, we all know what that was about. It trivializes important issues to compare interracial marriage with this, and everyone with a brain knows it.

      As for everyone having equal rights, they do. Everyone has a right to marry someone of the opposite sex. No one has the right to marry a goose or a tree or their cousin. Why should they have a right to marry a turnip, or a human of the same sex? Once they have a right to do that, why shouldn't they have the same rights as a Muslim?

      Muslims come to this country with up to four wives. They beat them, and even kill them, and no one claims to have the same rights. Nor should they.

      Reasoning people are appalled that the government should a adopt a religious institution like marriage, and is now threatening its very existence, not to say that of the churches in whose name the institution is sponsored and continued. Does anyone believe we should force rabbis or Catholic priests to perform gay marriages, much less group marriages which will follow them, as sure as night follows day?

      I don't care what homosexuals do in their homes (or "gays", if you prefer; it schmoozes the issue, which is apparently the custom). They can make any contract they want, as far as I am concerned; I don't even care if the feds dream up a new contract especially for the situation. But marriages are for children, not to make somebody feel good. Nobody with any respect for society is interested in damaging churches or children in the name of a feel good law for "gays".
      • Albert DOrazio 2 mths ago
        Clearly they aren't God. First of all, if it's legal, no matter if someone "recognizes" is or not, it's still legal. Second of all, what does gay marriage have anything to do with polygamous marriage? They're two different things.

        Gay people do NOT have the same rights that you heterosexuals already have. I was born to be naturally, emotionally, spiritually, romantically, and physically attracted to the adults of the same gender. Me being in a relationship with a woman, marrying a woman, and having sex with a woman is unnatural to me and is not an option. What part of that don't you homophobes understand? That's like forcing a teenager to marry a 28 year whom they don't even know. Or telling a black man to bleach his skin, act like a white man, and marry a white woman. So no, us gay people do not have the right to marriage like you heterosexuals.

        You're a fool, who's asking to marry an animal, inanimate objects, or relatives? No one but you is suggesting that. We're only asking to marry that one person that we love, you silly homophobe.

        How will my marriage to another man affect you heterosexuals in any way, shape, and/or form? That doesn't make sense. If my relationship and marriage to another man will tear down your heterosexual relationship, then your relationship was nothing to begin with. And you might want to rethink your own sexuality and sexual orientation. No one is prohibiting you heterosexuals from marrying by allowing consensual gay adults the same right to marriage that you already have. When gay marriage becomes legal, they include a "opt-out" option for those bigoted religious institutions who have that primitive anti-gay sentiments.

        If you don't care about us then why are you so against us? We are not hurting anyone in any way, shape, and/or form by being born gay and by being in a relationship and marrying another man. Mind your own sexual orientation and sexuality and there will be no problem. "I don't care what homosexuals do in their homes" and just what do you think "we do in our homes"? Have orgies everyday? The notion that gay people are promiscuous is a stereotypical lie. Lol, please, if you want to get personal, I have sex maybe 2 or 3 times a year, if that. If I am in a relationship and been with the man for over 9mos. then I will have sex. But I'd rather wait for marriage, because, gasp, some of us gay folks have moral standards just like you heterosexuals and we frown upon sex before marriage. I once knew this heterosexual man who told me, "I want to have sex with as many women as I can and get each of them pregnant with my babies". Gay people are no more promiscuous than our heterosexual counterparts.
    • Mary Gigi  •  Troy, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      As it was in Sodom and Gomorrah. It is definitely the end times. I feel so sorry for all these gays who are traveling down a path of destruction. Can't you people see or are you so blinded by your lusts for another mans flesh. Just disgusting life style.
      • Super S 3 mths ago
        Mary; women are supposed to be barefoot and pregnant and in the kitchen; why are you on the internet?
        Shame on you
      • OpenMinded 3 mths ago
        i suggest you re-read Ezekiel 16:49, "Mary". Here's a hint - sexual behaviour had NOTHING to do with the destruction of those cities.
      • sink and swim 3 mths ago
        Same sex marriage has been legally recognized in the Netherlands, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Norway, South Africa, Argentina, Belgium, Iceland, and Canada...but God (who must have seen equal rights for the gays since the beginning of time) is going to punish the world NOW that the US high court is thinking about maybe or maybe not taking the issue on? Guess what, he isn't Your God or America's God or Tebow's God. God doesn't BELONG to American Christians. God is love. 1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love." It might be the truest thing in the bible. You and Harold Camping and the rest of the Christian terrorists threatening the end of the world should find some meaningful skills, get a good job, and save for retirement -- unfortunately, you are in this for the long haul.
    • Merri  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      The judges did not say that the citizens couldn't amend the state constitution in order to overturn a state Supreme Court decision. They said that rights couldn't be taken away from a group of citizens WITHOUT GOOD CAUSE, and that Prop. 8 proponents presented no good cause except to discriminate against GLT people because they disapprove of their choices of partner.
      It is a fact, though, that every time a court rules on the issue of gay marriage they come down on the side of protecting individual rights to marry. No one has come up with a convincing argument that the government has a compelling interest to deny that right.
      A majority of people may want to deny rights to a minority, and the legislative bodies may reflect that desire, but it is the job of the courts to protect individual rights - they are doing their job correctly.
      People should review the 1967 case of Virginia v. Loving.
      • Don 3 mths ago
        Brilliant. guess it depends, as Clinton suggested, on what the definition of "is" is, right? First the definition of "gay" was changed, now the definition of "marriage". What's next? I'll tell you what is next; whatever the left wants to cram down our throats, with the protection of leftist courts, like the 9th Circus. That's what! How about taking the word "degenerate" out of the dictionary. It's obsolete.
      • zapbrag 3 mths ago
        the 9th is way off again they are always getting overturned it was never a fed matter no one has the right to get married simple as that you dont have that right it is not in the constutiton of any state or the feds; we made laws to regulate a religious activity and they are a accepted custom we do provent incest marriages and other marriages and traditionally by custom #$%$sexual marriages have been illegal so the 9th would get over turned any way they created a right which is not there and not a area for the fed govt a constution is not laws but a form of govt!! it is uniqe and the people have spoken the govt needs to listen no #$%$ marriages!!!!
      • zeb s 3 mths ago
        Wow, I don't want to live on this planet anymore. Don and Zap, one day I hope you can learn to be open minded, but I doubt you will. That is why the "left" is what we are. We strive for equal rights for all sentient beings, what do you strive for? And the point of the bill of rights is to keep the majority from rolling over the minority. It is called democracy gentlemen, the system you are thinking of is called anarchy, which is majority rule all of the time. I would suggest you look at the other theocracies you would condemn as evil, and see why our laws cannot be based off of a religious group. The government cannot endorse any religion, and that is just what you are trying to do.
    • Kem  •  Salem, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      One more time, for those stating that the people have spoken................Slavery and denying women the right to vote both had the POPULAR vote and were legal.
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