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    As White House mulls expanding a Georgia jobs program, there are doubts about its national impact

    The Georgia Capitol building, AP Photo/John BazemoreAs part of its package of job creation proposals to be released next month, the Obama administration is said to be looking closely at a Georgia program that trains the unemployed for new jobs with potential employers. But based on Georgia's experience, the effect the program would have on a national level is very much open to question -- and labor advocates worry that it allows employers to exploit those willing to work for free.

    The program, Georgia Works, allows unemployed workers to continue to collect jobless benefits while training for jobs with companies. Workers also receive a small stipend to cover transportation and other expenses. After eight weeks, the employer can choose to hire the worker, or not. Participation in the program is voluntary, for workers and for employers.

    President Obama last week praised the program, which has been used as a model by several other states. "You're essentially earning a salary and getting your foot in the door into that company," he said.

    Labor experts agree that the concept--placing the jobless with potential employers--is right on target. "If you can get people placed with private employers for a training position of some kind, it is almost certainly the most effective approach, on a person by person basis, in terms of boosting earnings and getting them into jobs that they tend to hang on to," Gary Burtless, a former Labor Department economist now at the Brookings Institution, told The Lookout.

    Georgia says that more than 60 percent of the workers who completed the program ultimately found work--with 24 percent of the workers hired by the employer who trained them.

    But in terms of volume, Georgia Works is less impressive. Since it was launched in 2003, 23,084 people have completed the program. That means that in a state with a population of nearly 9.7 million, only around 1,725 workers a year who participate in the program found jobs, and only around 700 of those with the employer who trained them.

    To those who worry about reducing the nationwide jobless total--currently at nearly 14 million--that doesn't even get close to the size of the challenge.

    Burtless called that "a drop in the Mobile Bay."

    "It's a fine policy," he added. "It's just a policy without much heft."

    At 10.1 percent, Georiga's unemployment rate remains well above the national average.

    Burtless said the chances of the program getting a better return when brought to the national level are slim, because to work well, it requires talented and well-connected job placement officers who are capable of placing the unemployed with participating companies.

    "Talented headhunters don't work for government employment services these days," Burtless said. "They're not placing the long-term unemployed."

    The program is said to be just one possible part of a larger package of job-creation ideas the administration will propose. So the argument that it won't do enough on its own doesn't end the debate.

    But concerns about volume aside, some critics say the program enables employers to exploit workers.

    "This is a way that companies circumvent hiring people," Richard Ray, the president of the Georgia chapter of the AFL-CIO, told The Lookout.

    Ray said from what his organization has heard, the emphasis is more on work than training.  "In most cases we found out that the jobs did not require a lot of training," Ray said, citing assembly line work as an example. "After a couple hours training, they could do the work."

    And even the workers that do end up getting hired for paid jobs, Ray argued, are simply taking positions that would have existed in any case. "The jobs that I've been told they're getting -- somebody would have got those jobs anyway," he said.

    Some supporters of Georgia Works see it as part of a strategy to end the system of jobless benefits as we know it. The program has been championed by the American Institute for Full Employment, an Oregon-based group that advocates converting jobless benefits into wage subsidies for companies.

    Michael Thurmond, the former state labor commissioner who launched Georgia Works in 2003, told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution last year that he sees it as a "re-envisioning of the 20th-century program [of unemployment benefits] for a 21st-century problem."

    "It's self-empowerment," Thurmond, who last year ran unsuccessfully for the Senate as a Republican, added. "You can sit around and wait for Washington or the Federal Reserve or the Georgia Legislature to create a job for you, or you can create one for yourself. You've got to rescue yourself."

     

    86 comments

    • JOHN  •  9 mths ago
      MANY REPLIES I HAVE SAY;... IT'S ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT GIVEN !!!........that's the PROBLEM....... it's all these so called... SMALL AMOUNTS... which add up to the horrendous costs......not to mention ....why.... ???? give any of our money to these countries who hate us and will work against us in the future......namely china, mexico, pakistan, russia, etc. ENOUGH OF THIS #$%$-----------TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN FIRST..... and I am also a PLUMBER....so what !!!!!
    • JOHN  •  9 mths ago
      How many of you have heard about the GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETS stopping the prosecution of an........ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT..... found guilty of battery on a policeman, and now found GULITY OF MURDER on a graduate american student......he gave instructions to NOT LET " I.C.E." KNOW ABOUT THIS... guess what he is a DEMOCRAT -----SHAME ON HIM....he should be RECALLED even his own D.A. disagrees with his decision....and the voters...
    • Manu  •  9 mths ago
      Yeah Mr. Thurmond, the only reason he got his job was because he sucked up to The republicans but he is definitely an opportunist. I went through his program when I lived in Ga. and I remember him telling the workers if people aren't available for work to cut off their benefits. My father was ill out of state and instead of cheat the system I contacted them and told them that I would go out of state to see my sick father for a week, and they said thats fine, and to contact them when I return. Well as soon as I tried to collect my unemployement check they said I broke the law and they could not disburse payments because I was not looking for work, so I was done with DOL in Ga. As long as you had a republican running it. The same problems would persist!!!! Uncle Tom is very fitting for this guy.
    • Thoughtful  •  9 mths ago
      Another one of Obama's jobs idea that amounts to nothing but "sounds" good. Just like the 1.72 jobs (yes, less than 2 jobs) that were created in Clark County, NV. $490.000 was spent to plant trees in neighborhoods. Nothing permanent, just cost tax payers lots, like everything else this president proposes.
      • Patmobile 9 mths ago
        Plant trees in Nevada? Did they die yet from lack of water?
    • John  •  9 mths ago
      STOP BUYING OUR ENERGY FROM FOREIGN COUNTRIES.......!!!!... IT'S RIDICULOUS.
      We could be SELLING our products to other countries......thus LOWERING our debt to them..
      We have it ALL....!!!!......OIL, GAS, COAL, and technology to create JOBS for all USA. citizens.
      WHAT'S THE PROBLEM ....???????
      • Blue Devil 9 mths ago
        The problem is that, we are run by stupid people.
    • jeffery  •  9 mths ago
      That will kill off about 55,000 American and make the country strong with jobs
    • thomas  •  8 mths ago
      i want a job that pays a lot of money and i do not have to work
      • Concert goer 8 mths ago
        You want to be a politician?
      • Larry 8 mths ago
        NO problem, vote for oBUMa.
      • Larry 5 mths ago
        You are a ni&&er wantabe
    • AdamP  •  8 mths ago
      To all the people who are saying these companies are getting free labor..... people pay to go to school. What do you think they are doing there... Some may call it work and they are paying to do it.
      I learned more at my unpaid internship then I ever did at college.
      • Dick Beninya 8 mths ago
        Just curious. How did you pay for rent and food in your time as an intern?
    • d  •  8 mths ago
      The employer will take advantage of this program. Bend over you are next!@!@
      • Larry 8 mths ago
        Congress, sign this bill and read it later. I have a business and need all the free labor I can get. Thank you Barack.
      • Glenriven 8 mths ago
        The employee is not working for free.
    • Dick Beninya  •  8 mths ago
      How long does it take to train as a burger flipper or warehouse stocker?
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      I have never been to a company where they train you. You get the job, then they size you up, hand you stacks of paperwork and say Here is Your Desk. And if you don't know how to do something, your coworkers snicker and say I Thought You Were Qualified For the Position and then run into the bosses office to try to take that project from you.
    • linda-duane  •  8 mths ago
      i agree with bald guy..what army are these people in that they get to "pick" what training they get ?? LOL..they train you where they need, not where you want to be trained
      and, if you didn't finish high school...you are not going to be a pilot...lol

      but , seriously draft or no draft is really not the point, although i prefer a volunteer army
      that being said, the military is a good source of training, my dad enlisted in 1938?
      he was a farmers son and as typical in that era had not much education...the males
      worked on the farm, not school

      he received training to work first in the motor pool, then on his own time
      pursued further training eventually becoming an aircraft mechanic. he didn't
      stop there, on his own time he completed a 4 year degree. and didn't stop there

      but, this comes down to character again and always....he wanted to improve
      himself and did whatever it took to do that

      i think some form of this program could actually be good, but it would involve
      people managing it to link up candidates on both ends..employer/ employee
      that are matched for each other, penalties for those taking advantage of it on both ends
      but, the way this program is being operated now...i don't see a lot of positive

      actually the military does it, they give you test to evaluate what you are suited for
      on an educational level and a job experience level.

      of course in the military, it still depends on what they need, so sometimes it
      works for you and sometimes it doesn't..lol
    • CyclicRedundancyCheck  •  8 mths ago
      If it's not broke don't fix it, but if it is broke, then try not to break more things in the process while attempting to fix it or it might end up worse and more costly to fix in the longrun than the other thing to fix is.
    • Frank  •  8 mths ago
      Another socialistic rogram that benefits the priviledged much more than the people it supposed to help. any ambitous hard working individual that thinks this is a beneficial program to the overall society should look into extensive mental therapy.
    • GIMS  •  8 mths ago
      Look who is supporting this bill, the AFL-CIO hmmmm, lets get these people a job and take their money. UNIONS are evil...............
    • Brillant-I know it's ...  •  8 mths ago
      The Georgia plan has proven to be nothing but HYPE-He,i.e.,Barack knew as others close to the plan that it has been exploited by both sides so that it's an utter failure as has happened with other past efforts such as job training programs. They're all aimed at preserving jobs for those proposing the schemes,. Typical crap from Congress
    • Hunter  •  8 mths ago
      What kind of work is this, that they cannot find people who already have skills to do the work. I have plenty of skills that is mentioned in my resume that fit many positions but they do not give me a chance. I know I am not the only one.
    • Glenriven  •  8 mths ago
      I employ people in Georgia, and this is the first I have heard of this program. It might boost the numbers if they advertized it to the business community.
    • Larry  •  8 mths ago
      I would utilize this plan in my business. I could bring in unemployed, which of course means let them work for experience while recieving training, (free labor). Then if I need help, I could select the best of the bunch. This means the taxpayers fund this for me and oBUMa looks good for adopting a program that has kept Georgia at 10.1% unemployment.
    • Dan  •  8 mths ago
      Looks like the writer of the article goofed in calculations. 60% of those who completed program would be 17,250 jobs and 7,000 with the same employer, of 23,084 who completed.
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