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    Women and Children First: Law or Convention?

    Anybody who has seen James Cameron's Titanic, about the 1912 sinking of the eponymous ocean liner knows that when a ship is sinking, women and children have first dibs on the lifeboats. The recent capsizing of a cruise ship off the coast of Italy, which killed at least 11 passengers, has inspired many to ask if "women and children first" is an official rule or just a popular convention. Here's the scoop.

    During an evacuation, men may choose to give up their seats on lifeboats to women and children, but there is no official maritime rule that mandates they must do so. An article from the BBC helps explain the process that crews follow when a ship is in danger of sinking.

    Upon boarding, all passengers are assigned a lifeboat based on the location of their cabins. If an accident should occur, it is the captain's decision whether or not to evacuate the vessel. The BBC quotes Rob Ashdown, operations director at the European Cruise Council, who says men on a sinking ship have no legal obligation to step aside.

    The tradition, as an explainer from Slate speculates, may have begun when the HMS Birkenhead sank in 1852. "The soldiers reportedly stood at attention while the women and children were loaded into life boats. The overwhelming majority of the men died in an act that contemporary writers called "a piece of pure and exalted manhood."

    In the case of the recent disaster involving the Costa Concordia, the captain, Francesco Schettino, abandoned the ship while thousands of passengers were still aboard. Schettino gave an unusual explanation for his departure. The New York Times reports that Schettino told an Italian paper, "I didn't even have a life jacket because I had given it to one of the passengers. I was trying to get people to get into the boats in an orderly fashion. Suddenly, since the ship was at a 60 to 70 degree angle, I tripped and I ended up in one of the boats. That's how I found myself there."

    Whether or not that explanation stands up in court remains to be seen. But this is hardly the first time evacuation of a wrecked ship descended into chaos. A 2010 article from the Los Angeles Times explores the psychology of passengers on a sinking ship: who survives depends a lot on how long it takes for the ship to go down.

    In 1915, the Lusitania was torpedoed by a German U-boat. The ship sank in 18 minutes. "The bulk of survivors were young men and women who responded immediately to their powerful survival instincts," the Times writes. Contrast that with the Titanic, which took around three hours to fully sink. Most of the survivors were women and children.

    The conclusion: When panicked passengers have little time to assess the situation, it's every man (or woman) for him or herself.

     
    • William  •  Portland, Oregon  •  4 mths ago
      They say Captain "Sully" Sullenberger checked his plane twice for passengers still on board before exiting the aircraft. Now there's a hero!
      • anno 4 mths ago
        There is not question about that, to search for over 4,500 people would be
        daunting but however the Captain of a Ship is never supposed to
        abandon it. This Captain is a coward and should be treat as such.
      • john 4 mths ago
        Yes and in water that was just above freezing. He and his co-pilot were trying to walk on the seats to keep from getting hypothermia and frost bite. They still went back and searched.
      • Carl 4 mths ago
        "He and his co-pilot were trying to walk on the seats"

        Did not know that -- thanks John
    • American  •  4 mths ago
      Odd that James Cameron's "Titanic" is cited here when that movie was roundly criticized for NOT adequately portraying the sacrifice the men aboard made for the women (and children). You'd never know from that film that so few men survived the Titanic that those men who did were initially branded cowards just for being alive.
      • Amy 4 mths ago
        I know! Ismay became a disgraced shut in for the rest of his life. Well, I can't be too sympathetic for that degree of hubris.
      • doodada 4 mths ago
        I for one don't hold a strange, adult woman's life to a higher degree than my own, but a child's? Yes, absolutely. Especially in this era where we are told that women are hyper-equal to men, and in most instances, superior. If we are to believe the feminist dogma that is taught in schools and has permeated Big Media, then women should be forced, or pressured into giving up their lifeboat seats to their inferior counterparts - men.
      • MikeGolf 4 mths ago
        Doodada: I would look at it this way - anybody with a lower chance of survival than myself gets the seat.
    • Fan  •  4 mths ago
      i'm not a cruise sailor, i'm a navy sailor, so I guess I can't speak for everyone. But if a navy captain declare abandon ship and try to get off first, I'm sure he will be knocked unconscious and locked up, next in command would take over to organize the evacuation effort.

      and even for an untrained crew, it'll only take 15-20 minutes to realize that you cannot stop the flood on a ship and the ship has to be abandoned, not 70 minutes.

      This guy is by far an anomaly, not a norm.
    • flyklyn  •  Everett, Washington  •  4 mths ago
      well, i am 75, female. i would absolutely give up my seat to a child or to a parent. i have had my life and raised my children. i would be helping the children and parents into the boats.
      • White Rabbit 4 mths ago
        Same. I'm 56, and raised my kids also. Nothing is more important that saving others first
      • Bob Phantom, the ghost wh ... 4 mths ago
        73, i'd go with the ship. kids first then women. rest can learn dog-paddling. elderly life is over also.
      • MissCindy 4 mths ago
        Agree -- 63. But I'd certainly be embarrassed if one of my daughters or granddaughters acted as cowardly as this awful captain is. I'd expect them to remain and help others off before exiting themselves.
    • momazilla  •  Houston, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      The captain took on the responsiblity of his passengers when he became captain. To try and run like he did, just shows what a slimeball he is.
    • E  •  4 mths ago
      I don't really care about men or women going first, but please...let the children get on the boats.
      • Big T 4 mths ago
        Duh the kids would need mom with them you idiot so really WOMEN do count.
      • Holly 4 mths ago
        right Big T. what did they think, the kids were going to feed and dress and take care of the themselves. . it the woman that does all of that. just saying... can't see any of the men doing that, now i know that there are some, but that is not many and very hard to find.
      • D 4 mths ago
        When men went off to WW2, did women take on many typical male roles successfully? Yes, they did. Men can do the same when they need to. Sexism isn't a one way street.
    • Tom  •  4 mths ago
      We can all speculate but we’ll never know what we’ll do until put in that situation.
      • A Yahoo! User 4 mths ago
        Most people put in a situation like this will panic and give in to the self-preservation instinct.
        But people can be prepared to know the right thing to do.
        For example, the sorry excuses for men at the ecole polytechnique shooting left the room and allowed one man to slaughter numerous women.
        But soldiers and properly raised people have considered these situations beforehand, and are prepared to act with virtue in the face of danger.
        I know what I would do.
      • Elizabeth 4 mths ago
        That is what seperates us from animals, the ability to overcome our instincts and choose how to behave based on what we deem to be right or wrong. A lot of people today never bother to develop any type of morality, which is why they allow their instincts and emotions control their behavior. It is the definition of "uncivilized."
      • Ron 4 mths ago
        If you don't want to lose anymore of your mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, aunts, uncles, nieces, nephews, husbands, wives, friends, and love ones in a war America can't win vote for Ron Paul 2012.
    • RGV  •  Denver, Colorado  •  4 mths ago
      I would certainly let my wife and daughter live. I will die like a gentleman and take my student loan debt with me.
    • Melissa  •  4 mths ago
      Children always first.
    • observation  •  4 mths ago
      On the Titanic, it was women and children first only if they were in the upper social class. The concept did not apply to women and children in steerage.
    • MsC421  •  Fort Myers Beach, Florida  •  4 mths ago
      I'm a woman - sorry - but I'm ablebodied, and work best under pressure so I'd rather be assisting those who needed and trying to calm people down instead of worrying about my own butt first .
    • Shick  •  4 mths ago
      Honestly, I would save my family first. Sorry if that makes me a jerk.
    • Charles the Cat  •  4 mths ago
      The concepts haven't changed. The idea has always been that civilians and people who were most vulnerable should go into the lifeboats first. Women in the old days never learned to swim and had to wear so many pounds of fabric and corsets they'd drown even in a life-vest. So they were among the most vulnerable. Nowadays, that same sensibility dictates that a healthy woman should defer to an elderly disabled man...like some of the poor grumpy neanderthals commenting here.
    • Bill  •  Dallas, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      You help the least able to help themselves.
    • D  •  4 mths ago
      Regardless of gender, in the moment of truth, some will rise to the occasion and exhibit self sacrifice while others will save themselves at all costs. This is the nature of humanity and no societal norm will change it.

      However, if we are debating societal norms, to tell a man he is more deserving of death simply because he is a man or to tell a woman she is more deserving of life simply because she is a woman goes against everything this nation stands for. It's no better than reserving life boats for a particular race.

      Women are very capable and society has recognized their skills and abilities. With this recognition, should come the acknowledgement that they no longer need to be protected like children when their contributions and sacrifice can be so beneficial to us all.
    • sts  •  4 mths ago
      you can save your family by making sure they get in a lifeboat. I can't imagine my husband would get in a lifeboat, if there were women and children still waiting. some of the commenters here, I think would push kids out of the way to save themselves.
    • American  •  4 mths ago
      The soldiers on the troopship HMS Birkenhead (immortalized by Kipling in the poem "The Birkenhead Drill") stood with their officers in parade ranks on deck while the women and children were saved in the near-empty life boats. The officers' instructions were that the men should allow themselves to die quietly and not try to swim as the ship took them under for fear the waves they made swimming for shore might endager the lifeboats. The men obeyed to the last and, officers and men together, their heads went under the waves as they stood still at attention. "But to stand an' be still to the Birken'ead drill is a #$%$ tough bullet to chew, An' they done it, the Jollies -- 'Er Majesty's Jollies -- soldier an' sailor too!" - Rudyard Kipling
    • Susan  •  Omaha, Nebraska  •  4 mths ago
      Why is it that most women are all for equal rights until the boat is sinking! Give up your seat for the KIDS, whether you're a man or a woman!
    • Thomas G  •  Manila, Philippines  •  4 mths ago
      Never does a man stand so tall as when he bends over to help a child...Children first!
    • Kelly K  •  4 mths ago
      I'd probably give up my seat for a parent or child because I am single and therefore have no one depending on me.

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