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    Boehner, Reid preparing to move on debt limit

    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama's insistence that Congress solve the nation's debt crisis through the 2012 elections emerged as a key sticking point as Democrats and Republicans urgently pieced together competing plans Monday to prevent a first-ever government default next week.

    House Speaker John Boehner forged ahead with a plan to raise the current $14.3 trillion debt ceiling by about $1 trillion, along with commensurate spending cuts. That would require lawmakers to go through the painful process again next spring with an even larger debt and deficit package.

    With little more than a week before an Aug. 2 deadline, Obama canceled fundraising appearances Monday.

    In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid was set to reveal a $2.7 trillion package of spending cuts to accompany a debt hike big enough to avoid another vote before 2013.

    Both the Dow Jones and Standard & Poor's 500 were down only slightly in early trading Monday on Wall Street, an indication that investors believe a default will be avoided.

    Boehner was set to meet with his chamber's Republicans to discuss his plan in detail. Aides described it as a two-step process, with an immediate $1.2 trillion in cuts and spending caps coupled with a $900 billion debt ceiling increase.

    A new congressional panel would be charged with producing nearly $2 trillion in additional cuts and another increase in the debt ceiling to be voted on next year and a second increase in the debt limit would have to be voted on next year, conditioned on congressional approval of the additional cuts.

    GOP officials said Democrat Reid warmed to the idea in private talks on Sunday.

    But after meeting with Obama Sunday evening, Reid instead called Boehner's proposal "a nonstarter in the Senate and with the president" because it would permit only a short-term increase of the sort that has already been rejected by Democrats. Boehner's office rejected that description.

    Reid, D-Nev., said Sunday that Boehner's proposal "would not provide the certainty the markets are looking for and risks many of the same dire economic consequences that would be triggered by default itself."

    Instead, Reid plans Monday to unveil his own new $2.7 trillion package of spending cuts that would also push the government's borrowing authority through next year, a timeline that Obama and top Democrats are demanding. It would do so without any new revenues, Reid said, thus meeting GOP demands for no new taxes, and Pelosi said Reid's plan also avoided touching Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

    But Reid's plan was already being privately rejected by Republicans concerned that the cuts it contains would prove illusory, particularly $1 trillion or so in savings claimed by troop cuts in Iraq and Afghanistan over the coming decade. Reid counters that House Republicans claimed the same savings windfall when they passed their budget earlier this year.

    Sen. Chuck Schumer, the No. 3 Democrat in the Senate leadership, said Monday one difficult reality is that no debt-crisis solution can be successful unless it has the support of five top players: Obama, Boehner, Reid, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell. But Schumer also said he thought Reid's proposal had the best chance of succeeding.

    The competing plans were emerging after debt talks between Obama and Boehner on an ambitious $4 trillion package of spending cuts and revenue increases — the so-called "grand bargain" — collapsed spectacularly when Boehner walked out Friday. The speaker at the time accused Obama of moving the goalposts with demands for more taxes. The White House disputed that, but the focus of the talks has now largely moved from the White House to Capitol Hill.

    The drama seemed certain to play out in nail-biting fashion, and it consumed Washington, as Obama canceled planned appearances at two Democratic fundraisers Monday night in Washington. He has barely ventured from the White House all month, and additional fundraising trips have also been canceled or postponed.

    If the government's authority to borrow money isn't renewed by Aug. 2 — its current $14.3 trillion limit having been reached — it won't have cash to pay all its bills. The administration and many others say that scenario would risk a first-ever federal default, with higher interest rates and other devastating effects cascading through the entire economy.

    Both Boehner and Reid were hoping that by presenting their competing plans, they would demonstrate a seriousness that could prevent the world's financial markets from panicking and punishing the U.S. by demanding higher interest rates for the huge amounts of cash it must constantly borrow. Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce in Hong Kong early Monday, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton tried to reassure financial markets that America's economy is sound and that a deal on the debt limit would be reached.

    In a conference call with his colleagues on Sunday, Boehner said that his new plan "is gonna require some of you to make some sacrifices."

    "If we stand together as a team, our leverage is maximized, and they have to deal with us. If we're divided, our leverage gets minimized," Boehner said, according to excerpts the speaker's office distributed to Republican offices.

    "I would prefer to have a bipartisan approach to solve this problem," Boehner said on Fox News Sunday. "If that is not possible, I and my Republican colleagues in the House are prepared to move on our own."

    Administration officials took to the airwaves on Sunday to make their case, with White House chief of staff William Daley saying Obama would veto a bill that didn't extend the borrowing limit into 2013.

    "The president believes that we must get this uncertainty in order, to help the American economy and help the American people," Daley said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

    Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner also underscored administration opposition to a short-term extension of the debt ceiling. Reaching out to investors, he said on CNN's "State of the Union" that a U.S. default was unthinkable, saying, "We never do that. It's not going to happen."

    Schumer was interviewed Monday on MSBNC.

    ___

    Associated Press writers David Espo, Ben Feller and Erica Werner contributed to this report.

     

    1,114 comments

    • lares1960  •  10 mths ago
      Those that want to cut Social Security and Medicare will be out of Washington D.C. There are 50 millions seniors that need their money since they worked very hard to pay for those benefits.
      • HadEnough 10 mths ago
        Seniors are not stupid.
      • lares1960 10 mths ago
        I 'm pretty sure that they're very smart because they already have an ad on TV paid by AARP.
      • lares1960 10 mths ago
        What the old man says on TV. "I'm not a push over" "There are 50 millions of us"
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      If this Country goes into default, the American voters better rally together and put ALL new faces in Washington. FLUSH THE TOLIET, NO INCUMBENTS.
      • THOMAS 10 mths ago
        This country is like spoiled children! Even though republicans will be hit the hardest, {with stock downturn} they know somebody has to tell the children that we can't keep on spending ourselves into financial Oblivian!
      • pheno 10 mths ago
        So how many of you voted AGAINST your incumbent "representative" in the last lelection ? the election for that ? how many of you have EVER voted AGAINST your sorry a$$ representative period ? I've been voting against the incumbents in my state every time the polss opened for the las 16 years - and these SOBs are STILL in office. The rest of you must be voting for them. When will you all say ENOUGH ?
        You're killing me with all this Republican/Democrat B$.. This conservative/liberal nonsense. STOP voting for these jerk-offs !!!!
      • Ol_gnome 10 mths ago
        I say, it time to get 'em out.. everyone of them
    • chubbieewubbiee  •  10 mths ago
      A NATION OF SHEEP

      BREEDS A GOVERNMENT OF WOLVES
      • Centrist 10 mths ago
        which one are you? oh i guess you transcend all the weaknesses of man
    • Dan  •  10 mths ago
      These Jokers and Clowns have done nothing in last 2 months. All media has focused on just one issue of Debt Ceiling for the last 1 month. No one has cared for Unemployment, Gas Prices, Foreclosure and Healthcare.
      • DanU 10 mths ago
        Where was this focus during the stimulus discussion? Or during Obama care, as it was shoved down the American throat? Why wasn't this important during BHO's first two years? Where is the federal budget? Where is respect and regard for the US Constitution?
      • cobra 10 mths ago
        They don't have any. Barry left it out in the golf course somewhere.
      • HEY TURKEYS...IT'S RA ... 10 mths ago
        $$$ TALKS, B.S. WALKS
    • Richard  •  10 mths ago
      wouldn't it be better for America if we were in the lending business rather than the borrowing business. Why have we wasted our assets buying from China and the middle east?
      • Mikey 10 mths ago
        The US was the world's largest creditor nation when Ronald Reagan became president - and the world's largest debtor by the time Reagan left office. Funny how tax cuts without decreasing spending will do that.
    • George  •  10 mths ago
      Balanced budget, two term limit for Senate, three term limit for House. Positions never intended to be lifetime careers. You have to admit that the pay and benefits are good when you give them to yourself.
    • Sean Mustain  •  10 mths ago
      Foriegn aid ... how many billions a year? Foriegn wars ... How many billions? Non effective govt givaway programs ... How many billions?
    • lovesamerica  •  10 mths ago
      THE REPUBLICANS ARE NOT THE ONLY WEALTHY. CONSIDER WARREN BUFFET AND BILL GATES ARE BOTH DEMOCRATS.
    • Charles  •  10 mths ago
      Hqw long are the American people going to watch a bunch of ego manics play chicken with our future of OUR country . I think it is time to start voting out every elected member of our senate and congress until we can electic true americans that will represent the people . And i don;t care which party they belong to .
    • DADDYWONFOOTBALLY  •  10 mths ago
      Here comes another ( I don't know what is in this bill? We have to wait until we pass it to read it!) All aboard for the magical mystery tour....Train wreck ahead!
    • Alien_Visitor  •  10 mths ago
      Work hard to cut cost and improve or realize other revenue streams – an axiom from business 101. Lastly, structural debt and capital outlays for all top US government departments needs to be looked at and reduced- this should include management cuts (government level) and consolidation. I recommend a federal audit of all entitlement programs to ensure no fraud is done (unfortunately fraud is rampant in many US entitlement programs) – recoup any monies, goods and property lost by fraudulent activities. Lastly, stop these wars – it is the biggest tax money drain on the nation.
    • HEY TURKEYS...IT'S RA ...  •  10 mths ago
      REMEMBER ALL THIS #$%$ WHEN YOU VOTE IN 2012...
    • No Name  •  10 mths ago
      Both parties are just playing politics and will run it right up to the deadline and then be seen posing with each other in publicity photos shaking hands. Haven't you seen this act many times before.
    • Mema Dada  •  10 mths ago
      Vinh101, go to your local school district for school buses. The federal government shouldn't be paying for school buses for your district in the first place. That is a local function, not federal. The federal government puts strings on those dollars that increase the costs for your school district.
    • D.  •  10 mths ago
      The biggest problem facing these talks is that every single one of them at the table are millionaires, and they either don't know or don't care about the struggles facing average Americans.
    • Black Bart  •  10 mths ago
      Whether you get seduced by one political party or raped by the other the result is the same: YOU GET SCREWED.
    • Running Elk  •  10 mths ago
      It should be obvious now that our elected "leaders" care nothing about our country or it's people. They have their own private agendas and they simply don't care if the country is destroyed in the meanwhile.
    • Peajinker  •  10 mths ago
      In spite of their political rhetoric and campaign promises, both parties represent the suits and investors on Wall Street, not the working men and women on Main Street. They represent the moneyed interests, not the people's interest. They have enabled corporations to dictate trade and foreign policies that are destroying the Middle Class in America. If they truly cared about we the people, they would, as directed by the Constitution, enact trade tariffs to level the global economic playing field and protect American industry and jobs. They have done just the opposite by giving corporations free rein to exploit cheap foreign labor, despoil the world environment, and stash $ trillions in tax-free profits offshore. Both parties have allowed more than 30 million illegal Mexican aliens to invade our country, take our jobs, depress our wages, and bankrupt our social services. What is America without its productive capacity and its sovereignty? Has our once great nation become a pawn for the globalists in their “new world order”? If it has it is because both political parties have allowed it. Given this, it doesn't take a Harvard business school graduate to figure out why our economy and our country are circling the drain. Both parties are two heads of the same predatory corporate beast that is devouring America's heart and soul. Maybe it's time to step away from the mind-numbing wide screen with all its sports and celebrity worship, break out the tar and feathers, and restore our Republic.
    • Jazzy Jeff  •  10 mths ago
      Stop sending money overseas to people that hate us.
    • JohnQ  •  10 mths ago
      Harry Reid said that failure to increase the debt limit would cause a "full fledged depression". Doesn't that bother anyone? The fact that we MUST borrow 40 cents of every dollar in order to keep this false economy afloat?
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