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    Boehner: War drawdown savings can't go to jobs

    WASHINGTON (AP) — With a special deficit-reduction supercommittee floundering, the top Republican in Congress warned Thursday that he won't permit savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to pay for President Barack Obama's jobs spending agenda.

    Democrats on the deficit panel proposed last week to use war savings to pay for a $300 billion jobs program along the lines President Barack Obama wants, plus take steps to protect the upper middle class from the alternative minimum tax and extend financing for doctors who treat Medicare patients.

    "I've made it pretty clear that those savings that are coming to us as a result of the wind down of the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan should be banked, should not be used to offset other spending," said House Speaker John Boehner. But the Ohio Republican did not address whether war savings could be used to extend expiring tax cuts such as popular business tax breaks or Obama's expensive proposal to renew payroll tax cuts that expire at the end of December.

    Boehner also said he's frustrated that all six supercommittee Democrats have yet to unite around a specific plan, even though there's now less than a week before the panel's official deadline.

    "They've never really put paper on the table. It's very frustrating," Boehner said.

    By all accounts, the deficit panel is at a stalemate.

    Despite small steps in recent weeks toward addressing core solutions to the nation's intractable deficit problem, such as new taxes and curbs on the growth of enormously expensive government benefit programs, both sides said further progress had come to a halt.

    Less than a week remains before a Thanksgiving deadline for the panel to vote on a plan cutting deficits by at least $1.2 trillion over a decade. Whatever remaining hope there was appeared to have washed away Wednesday after both Democrats and Republicans on the 12-member panel traded rhetorical salvos about whether the other side was negotiating in good faith.

    "We need to find out whether our Republican colleagues want to continue to negotiate or whether they've drawn a hard line in the sand," supercommittee Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen of Maryland said. "The question is whether they've kind of said, 'Take it or leave it.'"

    "What I've yet to see is a plan that fundamentally solves the problem," Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas, the panel's top Republican, told reporters.

    With the talks at a standstill, Democratic officials familiar with the panel's work Wednesday leaked a nearly week-old secret counteroffer that generally accepted a Republican framework for a $1.5 trillion compromise, while differing on numerous key details.

    Democrats signaled a willingness to cut spending by $876 billion, including $225 billion from Medicare and $50 billion from Medicaid, these officials said, and raise tax revenue by $400 billion, far less than they had demanded earlier.

    But they also wanted to take $700 billion in savings from winding down the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to pay for a $300 billion jobs program along the lines President Barack Obama wants, plus take steps to protect the upper middle class from the alternative minimum tax and extend financing for doctors who treat Medicare patients.

    The leak of the Democratic offer seemed aimed at rebutting claims by Republicans that Democrats had not responded seriously to a GOP offer last week in which, for the first time, Republicans proposed new tax revenues.

    But the $300 billion GOP tax offer was predicated on a fundamental tax overhaul and extension of Bush-era tax cuts set to expire at the end of next year. The Democratic offer would cut off unspecified tax breaks and keep in place current law in which the tax cuts expire, an idea that is anathema to Republicans.

    "This particular conversation was a step backwards because it would lock in the largest tax hike in history ... and then add an additional $400 billion in job-killing tax hikes without pro-growth tax reform, plus more than $300 billion in 'stimulus' spending," said Michael Steel, spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio.

    If the supercommittee fails to reach a $1.2 trillion deficit-cutting deal by Wednesday, automatic spending cuts totaling that amount would take effect beginning in 2013. That's a result that lawmakers on both sides of the political divide — particularly defense hawks — say they oppose.

    The talks turned particularly rocky last week, when Sen. Pat Toomey, R-Pa., presented an offer to several Democrats that envisioned raising almost $300 billion in additional revenue through an overhaul of the tax code that also lowered the top individual tax rate from 35 percent to 28 percent. It would cut the corporate rate as well.

    Republicans pointed to the offer as a possible turning point, given the party's long record of opposition to higher taxes.

    But Democrats attacked it as a tax cut for the rich in disguise, and the talks seemed to lose momentum.

    The secret Democratic counterproposal came from Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., according to Democrats, in a meeting Friday with Hensarling.

    In it, Democrats suggested raising $400 billion in additional revenue through eliminating tax breaks by means of an overhaul of the IRS code and cutting $876 billion in spending.

    Unlike Republicans, who wanted to lock in lower tax rates as part of a plan to raise $250 billion, Democrats said they would find the additional revenue by eliminating loopholes and other existing tax breaks. They also said they would not extend the Bush-era tax breaks due to expire at the end of 2012.

    They omitted other parts of the GOP offer, including a proposal to slow the rise of annual cost-of-living increases under Social Security.

     
    • Bill Ray  •  6 mths ago
      This committee was setup for a failure from the get go. What's the point of electing officials if they are not going to listen to us anyway...
      • tobyfrd 6 mths ago
        thats what we all say and even when we vote a new person in they flip flop like fish on land
      • Robert 6 mths ago
        Toby, thats because the new person got a taste of the crazy koolaid dispensed by corporations
      • G. McBoingBoing 6 mths ago
        Robert...unemployed and uneducated bitter man, aren't you?
    • Chris W  •  6 mths ago
      I just want to make sure I understand this correctly....Congress wasnt getting anything done so they took 12 members from that Congress that wasnt getting anything done...and expected them to get something done? Sounds like the definition of insanity to me
      • UncleJoe 6 mths ago
        {: ) Excellent post there Chris W.
      • Freedom 6 mths ago
        This is a think tank. 12 members sit around, think, and decide to do nothing.
      • Greaseman 6 mths ago
        And 6 of them (the Republicans) have decided to vote as one, meaning that they'll vote the same way no matter what, so the only way you'll see anything other than a 6-6 vote is if a democrat votes with the 6 republicans.
    • jmoney1978  •  Boca Raton, United States  •  6 mths ago
      We need to take corporations out of politics. Repeal laws that make it legal for corporations to make compaign donations and for lobbyist to "Occupy Washington." We won't fix the economy or the debt until that happens.
      • Mr G 6 mths ago
        Agreed. One of the worst Supreme Court decisions ever.
      • takebackgov 6 mths ago
        Once they made the court political we got just what they wanted us to - nothing good.
      • UncleJoe 6 mths ago
        Excellent post there Jmoney1978 ! {: )
    • Richard  •  Tampa, United States  •  6 mths ago
      If only we could fire non-performers. In my business, missing deadlines costs real money, has harsh consequences for failure, and rarely do we get second chances. NO incumbent has demonstrated value to merit re-election.
      • Michael 6 mths ago
        That kind of thing is only good for getting rid of teachers, when we (republicans) suggested public employees get merit based pay and termination for non-performance, were weren't talking about ourselves!
      • PitBurg 6 mths ago
        The consequences suffered by ineffective do nothing politicians fall on average Americans. Not all Americans, the wealthy never suffer and they could care less about social security and medicare.
      • Derek 6 mths ago
        ....Except Obama and perhaps Xavier Bercerra. Everyone else can go.
    • Berdie  •  Toledo, United States  •  6 mths ago
      What the hell are they all on in D.C.? Come out of your dream world and look at what the Country has become while you live like the Royals...............
    • Drago  •  6 mths ago
      What a surprise, the bozos in Washington are unable to compromise with each other. Typical of politics today, this will come down to the midnight deadline next Wed when we will be presented with some half baked plan.
      • dorothy 6 mths ago
        They are like a pack of mad dogs, just to chicken to start biting!
      • DGMYS 6 mths ago
        That's how they screw the average citizen!
      • Fed Up in West Texas 6 mths ago
        How about we just shut down the government, except for constitutionally mandated duties.
        Could probably pay off the National Debt pretty quick.
    • Sergey  •  New York, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Occupy Congress!!!!
    • YakketyYak  •  Little Rock, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Really want jobs?? End free trade agreements and replace them with fair trade agreements that are beneficial to the US. ALSO, we need a Congress that represents the US and its citizens not foreign countries and their citizens !!!!!
    • Jason  •  6 mths ago
      Morally, fiscally, and generally corrupt war mongering imperialists. This is not what our founding fathers had in mind.
    • DreamVisitor  •  6 mths ago
      We've got some people to fire in 2012!
    • Candy  •  6 mths ago
      I AM AN AMERICAN...born and raised here, my relatives for centuries have fought and worked to help this country stay AMERICA, the place milliions of peoples want to come, to be like and have what we have worked to have. Now they're telling us to expect less, be less want less, that we're selfish for our way of life, when their glass is running over they tell us we should be happy with half full and that we're negative for seeing it half empty, they're telling us life isn't fair usually just before they kick us while we're down. We are America, we can make it whatever we want! Don't allow this political bickering that is designed to keep us divided and therefore controlled to sidetrack us from being AMERICA.
    • F  •  Atlanta, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Mr. Boehner,

      I am a republican, and native Cincinnatian, know your family members, meet you on various occasions and have one question for you...What happened to you in Washington? All you care about is the Ultra Rich. That is not what you are from. What about the good republican working class who you wanted to help by going to Washington? You are singing a totally different tune then when you were working the streets to gain votes in Reading and church festivals. What happened to the guy who cares?

      Giving tax breaks to the companies and the wealthy does not work! If you want examples of this lets look at a company that has a large base in your district...GE Aircraft in Evendale. General Electric from '08 to '10 made a profit of $10,460,000,000.00 .Over the last 3 years they have paid ZERO corprate tax! They have recieve how much money providing jet engines and parts to our military? We have given them $8,398,000,000.00 in subsidies and (Oh Yes) tax refunds, and to add further insult to injury, since Mr. Immelt has been "Job Czar" they have laid off 21,000 workers. Now why don't you tell me why things are bad? GE has a major plant in your district in Evendale that laid of 1,000 people in 2009! What did you do for these good hard working voters of your district John? Sell them more beer to cry in at Andy's Tavern?

      John you are a disappointment to the good hard working republicans of your district.You know, the people who sent you to Washington. A 100% travesty to the Jesuits Priests at Xavier, and the Marist Brothers at Moeller, who tried to instill values of frugality, but love and care for the least of your brothers. All I can ask you is what would Brother Eveslage say about how you are handling the "Peoples Business"?

      John, you have given away the farm to big business, the plan of "Corporate Welfare" will create jobs does not work. You owe an apology to ever laid off worker at GE Aircraft. You were not taking care of the "People's Business", you were making GE more profitable. If you want the peoples support, come to us with a "Plan to Create Jobs", real jobs! A plan that does not involve giving ton's of money and benefits to the Big Companies" and "Ultra Rich". Come at us with a REAL PLAN that boosts Small Business and the good people who you PROMISED TO HELP! remember us John? the voters.

      Until you offer a REAL PLAN TO HELP CREATE JOBS...Shut up, you make the Cincinnati Conservative Republican Middle Class look like fools!
    • Scott  •  6 mths ago
      Is it any wonder why Congress has a 9% approval rating?
    • Iwokeup  •  6 mths ago
      Boehner is the poster child for what's wrong with our political system!
    • Sub Ether  •  6 mths ago
      Why not Bonehead? Bush/Cheney never even budgeted the Wars anyway! They gave out tax cuts instead.
    • Just Say Now  •  6 mths ago
      Better to spend the War drawdown savings than to dip into the social security fund.
    • the teacher  •  Frankfort, United States  •  6 mths ago
      make boner tell how much money he made from insider trading and how much taxes he has paid !!
    • Mr. E  •  Santa Clara, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

      – Dwight D. Eisenhower
    • meh  •  Cambridge, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Their job is to get it done. If they can't do that, vote them out.
    • Spice  •  6 mths ago
      Never in a democracy has a minority had so much control of a political situation!!
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