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    Chicago School Nets $190,000 in Student Fines

    Forget watching the clock, chewing gum, or slouching. At the Noble Network of Charter Schools' 10 Chicago campuses students are on their best behavior-- otherwise it will cost them.

    "Students tell us by and large they don't like the whole system as most teenagers would, but the proof is in the pudding," said Michael Milkie, CEO and superintendant of the Noble Network of Charter Schools.

    Last year, the schools collected an estimated $190,000 to help defray the cost of having teachers stay after school to supervise detention. Students earn demerits for everything from having flaming hot chips, which Milkie said have been shown to being addictive, to having their shirts untucked.

    After earning four demerits, the student is sent to a three hour detention. Admission fee: $5.

    "These are schools of choice. We have thousands on the wait list and we do communicate [this policy] really well with parents," Milkie said.

    But Noble's unique approach, which it has relied on for the past 13 years, has drawn scrutiny from some parents and eduction advocacy groups who said it's being used to push out students.

    "These extremely punitive, nitpicky programs are not the ones that really work," said Julie Woestehoff, executive director of the Chicago-based advocacy group Parents United For Responsible Education. "The students need to feel they're not like dogs or 2 year olds. They're actually maturing human beings who need some guidance and not someone to jump on top of them."

    Donna Moore said her son, who is a second year freshman, has been hounded at the school for everything from not having his eyes on the teacher at a given moment to having his shoe untied.

    "He was retained because of detention. He was told his first year that at that time he had hit 33 detentions and had to retake his freshman year," Moore said, adding that it was impossible for students to keep up on school work when they keep being punished.

    But Milkie said the school's unique system of fees-- he doesn't call them fines-- has yielded dividends.

    Not only is more money now spent on education and less on paying teachers overtime to supervise detention, but test scores have also improved.

    The average ACT score across Noble's 10 campuses last year was 20.3. Chicago Public Schools students scored an average of 17.2. The school's scores have consistently climbed since 2003.

    Even though Donna Moore isn't happy with the way her son has been treated, she said she plans to keep him in the Noble school system.

    "I send him there because there are not really many choices," she said. "It's the decision to deal with the devil I didn't know versus the devil I did know. Now I want to stay and make it better for all students."

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    • Yank N Chains  •  Baton Rouge, Louisiana  •  3 mths ago
      Why did thousands of comments get deleted here?
      • Senior 3 mths ago
        Yahoo DID NOT like the comments that they saw, when they wanted (to build up for a lack of better words)a bit of hate and discontent.

        I put in a comment about a school in NYC I hope that you all will check it out.
        I felt that Yahoo should have given all of its customers a chance to comment on that article or story.
      • Senior 3 mths ago
        Some kids are learning a whole lot of things that are ticking some others off from their parents.
        Some parents are bullys, but it is called domestic abuse.
        Some parents want some of the teachers to be their childs parents.
        Then some parents want to knock off some teachers for teaching to much to their kids.
        Is there a happy medium?
        NOPE!!
        GO FIGURE.
      • HANK HILL 3 mths ago
        ask ajew!
    • Scott  •  3 mths ago
      "He was retained because of detention. He was told his first year that at that time he had hit 33 detentions and had to retake his freshman year," Moore said

      It is worth noting that this whole thing is based on the idea that her son was telling her the truth about his demerits. I doubt these 33 detentions we're simply because of shoes not being tied and such. Maybe the school should write and record each infraction. This way there is a complete understanding as to why they are being detained.
      • Sage 3 mths ago
        Yes, I agree, people ought to know what they are doing wrong or else it is quite hard to change the behavior.
      • Andres Valle 3 mths ago
        The school does record the infraction and the students are sent home with a detention letter in order for the parent to sign. However, he could easily forge it. And she has to talk to him about that
    • Johnny Pro  •  3 mths ago
      Donna Moore's kid should be kicked out with 33 detentions! Especially since she is defending him like he does nothing wrong! This is exactly why her kid is a @#$%^&
      • gryphon 3 mths ago
        As an educator, I often find this to be true: many times meeting the parent instantly answers the question, "What's up with this kid?"
      • Just-to Bug 3 mths ago
        Exactly...children model their parents behavior. Take note parents, it isn't what you say to your children as much as it is what you do around your children.
      • Sandra 3 mths ago
        If you look at the list for the things you can get detention for you can't possibly blame the kid for all of those detentions. He got detention for tying his shoe lace and for taking his eyes off the teacher. Granted he probably earned some of them, but I think the school is just a little too detention happy.
    • Vestal  •  Montgomery, Alabama  •  3 mths ago
      The rules and the punishment for broken rules seems to be laid out (according to the article). If the child in the article has trouble with breaking the rules, don't blame the school. The school is not responsible for him breaking the rules, he is. Of course in this wussified, PC day and age everybody is winner and nobody is wrong so we can't hold people responsible for their actions.
      • Bryan 3 mths ago
        The rules are unreasonable, punishment for such things in the real world is nonexistent (except in the case of the military and wardrobe). I am sure the rules that are in place generate alot of revenue though, 192,000$ to be exact.
    • ShawnK  •  3 mths ago
      The NEW American way is to complain about something because it's always someone elses fault. Yo Donna Moore...your son had 33 detentions in 1 year! Maybe get involved in your son's life and figure this out. The teachers are raising your son because YOU ARE NOT! Is this why you became a parent? To let someone else raise them? To me 33 detentions is an indication that more parenting is needed!
      • Stephanie Stanley 3 mths ago
        some people do not become parents on purpose. Seeing how some young parents raise their children, it is clear that they still do not want to be one. I was a young mother of a surpise baby, now he is in the 2nd grade and I get so aggervated with how hands off parents are.
      • ShawnK 3 mths ago
        Not everything goes according to the plan you have in mind. Ask any entrepreneur, CEO of a fortune 500 company or a successful parent and they will tell you it's always about change and overcoming obstacles in your life. See America for what it is...opportunity. If you're in a bad place, make the desicion to move out. Sure you will lose friends along the way but you will make a few going in the same direction that you want to go. You get one chance to be a good parent, you might as well make it count. Good for you Stephanie....give it all you got!
      • Bryan 3 mths ago
        I believe the whole point of this article is that the offenses are laughable and that the school's system is unfair. To say that she is a bad parent or that the child is a bad child is wrong.
    • colin  •  3 mths ago
      "a second year freshmen" Nuff said
    • Nick  •  3 mths ago
      Maybe these kids should follow the rules? If that woman's son had that many detentions I think there is a real parenting issue there. Teach your kid not to be an idiot!
    • Dv  •  Topeka, Kansas  •  3 mths ago
      better hold these kids accountable for there actions better them paying the school to be a troubled child then the shool system paying the kids to show up for class like I read the other day on yahoo news....... Thats the proble the parents who are 20 and 30 somethings now did not like dicipline while we were in school so now we think our kids need the easy street welll without dicipline they will find easy street in a world of drugs and there parents taking care of them there whole life parents need to be parents and not kids too our generation has it all messed up..... I still preach everday the importance of education and to be a good student . and be good in school and not atrouble maker....
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Huntsville, Alabama  •  3 mths ago
      If you dont like it dont go there. Problem solved.
    • Royal  •  Russellville, Arkansas  •  3 mths ago
      I really hope this 'Donna Milke' relents and sends her son to some other school. If this policy has been working, for pete's sake, don't mess with it. As she was told about the policy before her son was ever enrolled at the school...I really feel she hasn't got a leg to stand on.
      As to 'making it better for all students' why don't we tell it like it is...she thought the school would be some kind of magic bullet to make her son behave better, without any heartache or work on his part....as that hasn't happened she is not bitter and filled with malice. The woman wants to take away some of the discipline that helps it's students to reach far greater test scores and achivements than most students from their backgrounds manage. This woman wants the perks of this school, without any change in her behaviour as a parent (actually requiring her son to abide by the schools stated policies, even if she doesn't like it) or any change on her son's part as a student (actually meeting the schools stated objectives, or suffer the consequences). It is exactly that kind of behaviour, feeling too 'special' to ever be required to accept responsibility for his own actions, that keeps any student from achieving to their potential.
      She doesn't need to help other students be the mediocre achievers she has already helped her own son become.
    • Leila  •  Irvine, California  •  3 mths ago
      Judging from too many of these comments, all I can say is what a bunch of hypocritical whiners out there. Really, people, some of your comments are ridiculous. What do you want? A school that does its job or not? You people are the first to bash schools for not doing what you think they should, and also bash schools for doing what they should! Make up your minds! Flip-floppers, that's what you are! And if Ms. Moore doesn't like that teachers expect their students to pay attention and actually look at them during lessons (like any good teacher should), she can take her slacker son and go to a different school!
    • Lucasred  •  3 mths ago
      Excellent idea. Have the students take responsibility for their actions.
      Parents seem to always assume it's the teacher or school's fault that their kids aren't learning. This way the parents and children can either choose to straighten up or choose to pay up.
    • Sarah  •  3 mths ago
      Talk about exaggeration. The only parents who complain about the discipline policy are the parents whose kids are in detention every Friday. If they do not want to pay so much then they need to start being a parent and telling their kid to behave in school...I mean, really? Protesting is your response, Muchin? You blame the school? If your kid is acting out in school and getting demerits for stupid things and costing YOU so much money, it is not the school's fault. It is clearly your child's. So step up, be the parent you are clearly supposed to be, and teach your child how to behave. Simple as that.
    • Danielle  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 mths ago
      This is amazing! I wish they would do something of this nature at our school. My poor daughter is being bullied and harrassed along with the fact that she has been assaulted and nothing was done about it. If the kids stop being LAZY and actually pay attention they won't have to deal with the fees. As to the ridiculous parent group, they are teaching them NOW to pay attention and be responsible just as adults have to be. Things tend to progress into worse matters as children grow into teens and then from teens to adults. Which in turn means they will get worse and care less and end up in jail. Think twice before knocking the system because you don't want to deal with your child and their lack of concern for others or care about themselves. Way to go Chicago!!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  3 mths ago
      ummm....last time I checked detention was a time to DO your homework... therefore:
      student being punished alot = student having plenty of time to do their work/study!!!
      the mom (Moore) quoted in this story is a little mistaken about her punished son not being able to keep up with his work/grades!
      however...is it possible to get singled out for minutae and is it possible her son is a victim?
      YES... I used to get demerits in college for wearing too short of skirts (and really not that short!) but I noticed the chubby girls weren't getting in trouble for equally short skirts!
      lol!
      sometimes if you are a bit of a problem- you WILL be singled out and 'demerited' any little thing- in any sector of society
      I know if my own child has a rotten attitude, I let them know that I am on the lookout for ways to 'adjust their attitude' :0
    • Cheko the bartender  •  Carthage, Illinois  •  3 mths ago
      I attended Pritzker College Prep and this system work for me.. The purpose of the system is not to make you feel like a dog in training, but to help you become a better student. The fact that this women son has received 33 detentions proves that he needs to work on both his attitude and his work habits. This student should refer back to a book he was โ€œforcesโ€ to read which was called The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People. The part he should reread is Put First Things First and learn to put his education above all else.
    • hockeyfan  •  Livonia, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      I don't the details about this specific school or how the fines are administered. What I can say is that as a professional teacher, the biggest reason why kids don't do well is bad attitudes and lack of personal discipline. If these fines help kids to achieve success as adults, more power to them.
    • Ivo K  •  Lansing, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      3 hours of detention? That's a long time for eating flaming chips. However if the parents & students already new this before entering this school then they have nothing to complain about in this instance.
    • jaybee  •  Niagara Falls, New York  •  3 mths ago
      I have no problem charging the kids for detention. Their behavior costs the school - having to staff the detentions. Plus people who "can't afford it" probably have no problem buying their kids iphones and air Jordans...things my working class family doesn't have cause it cost too much.
    • Jenny  •  3 mths ago
      Demerits for eating "flaming hot" chips? Its absurd. However I like the idea of the kids having to pay the wages of the teachers that stay after for detention.
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