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    Is China Bad For The US Job Market?

    Has China single handedly destroyed the U.S. job market? And is there no turning back? For some in manufacturing, the answer to that may be a resounding "yes".  To others, China growth means they are hiring at home to support demand overseas.

    "American fear of China is reasonable, but they should also look at China with equal parts enthusiasm," says Larry Harding, president of High Street Partners, a consulting firm working with multinational companies. "China has created enormous demand for U.S. companies to build up support services for that market and overall you see fantastic profits of U.S. companies because of China. We didn't even exist six years ago and now we are a firm with 105 employees and hiring," Harding says.

    Whether it's a smallAmericaus, Ga chopsticks maker or Johnson & Johnson surgical equipment makers exporting from Raynham, Mass., on balance, China is a job eater.

    Even as the U.S. economy slowed into the second quarter, growing under 2%, the trade deficit with China grew to $26.6 billion in June, the highest monthly trade deficit with China registered this year. And this during a slowdown of both economies.

    Year-to-date, the U.S. trade deficit with China is $133.4 billion. The more America buys from China, the less it is buying from similar goods manufacturers in the U.S.

    "Is China displacing U.S. jobs?" asks Scott Paul, executive director at the Alliance for American Manufacturers, a trade lobby. "No question about it. A lot the job losses have come from innovative states like Massachusetts, North Carolina, Texas and California, where they do all the innovating, but China does all the manufacturing for them. The problem with that model is that manufacturing and production is where the middle class jobs are. China has had a huge impact on the U.S. economy," Paul says.

    The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) in Washington estimates that at least 2.4 million manufacturing jobs were lost between 2001 and 2008 because of China taking over the production of manufactured goods. That number represent 66.9% of all jobs displaced in that seven year period. Durable goods manufacturing jobs displaced during that time account for most of the manufacturing job losses, and for 47.1% of all the total jobs displaced due to trade with China.

    Using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, EPI estimates that California lost 369,500 jobs in just two years, between 2005 and 2007, due to the trade deficit. Texas came in second with 193,200 jobs lost in just two years.

    Between 1979 to around 1997, U.S. manufacturing job levels were stable. Declines were in line with general unemployment, says EPI economist Robert Scott. After 1997, the absolute numbers of manufacturing jobs collapsed due to cheap competition from Chinese labor that flooded the U.S. with "Made in China" imports. It didn't matter in Washington, because the policy was for the U.S. to be the center of innovation and finance, where there are higher salaries, but also lower demand for less skilled workers. It also puts pressure on some states that are not known, or equipped as innovative centers with a highly educated workforce.

    Scott estimates that around six million jobs were lost between 1997 and the first quarter of 2011, making that job erosion a slow moving train wreck compared to the officially estimated 9 million jobs lost during the 2008 credit crisis. In other words, long term, China has been eating away at U.S. middle class jobs and most have not been replaced, according to EPI.

    "Manufacturing has come back maybe one to two percent since the trough in the business cycle," Scott says, though that doesn't make him optimistic. That's because "China's cheap capital costs keeps prices incredibly low in the U.S. That has come at the expense of the U.S. labor market," he says.

    America's job market implosion in 2008 was not because of China. It was because of the crash of the housing market, and subsequent freezing of U.S. lending. In fact, the cry on Main Street is that Wall Street gave us 9% unemployment rate, not Beijing. Then again, China comes in a close second.

    The U.S. needs to convene a multilateral meeting to address global imbalances and in particular Chinese mercantilism, says Scott Paul in an Aug. 15 op-ed posted on The Hill.com. "If China doesn't agree to participate, designate it a currency manipulator. China ships fully one-third of its exports to the U.S. and finances less than 10% of our public debt, so we have more leverage than some might suggest," he says.

    China holds around $1.2 trillion in U.S. Treasury bonds, far above what U.S. companies have invested in China FDI. Then again, it's hard to make a case that portfolio investment in U.S. government bonds is a job generator. Yet, China is actually investing in job creating enterprises in the U.S., either through greenfield projects, or through mergers and acquisitions with U.S. companies.

    According to the Rhodium Group in New York, Chinese direct investment is on the rise. In 2005, Chinese direct investment into U.S. businesses totaled 19 deals worth $1.2 billion. But as the economy got richer, Chinese government enterprises and the private sector increased its purchase of U.S. assets. So by 2010, Chinese companies closed 63 deals worth $5.4 billion, including in sectors that rely heavily on manufacturing and production. In the first quarter of 2011, Chinese companies closed 11 deals worth $758 million, including information technology, industrial machinery and clean technology.

    When comparing the two countries' corporate investments in one another, the key is to look at individual deal volume, not dollar value. It is around six times cheaper for the U.S. to invest in China than it is for China to invest in the U.S. The Chinese currency, the renmimbi, is worth around 6.3 RMB to the dollar. So according to the U.S. China Business Council, U.S. companies invested in a massive 1,772 deals in 2008. China invested in 35 deals in the U.S. in 2008.

    It is just as easy to find an anti-China business leader as it is to find a pro-China one. Bill Doyle, CEO of Vystar Corp., a small, liquid latext producer in Georgia, says he is hiring because of China.

    "My expansion is here. My salaried employees are here and I need to double my staff because of China demand," Doyle says. He is a small enterprise with just five employees. But 96% of Georgia employers are small businesses with 25 staffers or less. Everyone knows that small business drives American employment.

    China has a lot of downsides, but it is not without its upsides. This week, vice president Joe Biden told Chinese business leaders to keep investing in the U.S. In simple terms, the more jobs China can invest in here, the more tax revenue the U.S. can collect to pay bondholders like the Chinese government.

    "We are the number one destination for foreign direct investment and China is investing more and more in the U.S.," says Daniel Gross, a columnist at Yahoo! Finance. "We want China to get richer so they can invest in the U.S. and keep jobs here. As that trend continues, it's not going to be a one-way street where our money goes to China, and their money goes to the US Treasury. China is good for a lot of companies and a lot of industries. The fact that China keeps buying soybeans is good for the Midwest, for example," he says.

    That's fine, but the Alliance for American Manufacturing wants China to buy Johnson & Johnson medical devices, too, and other manufactured, labor intensive widgets rather than export them to the U.S.

    China might not be a killer virus for the U.S. job market. U.S. companies are going where the growth is. And that growth remains there, and not here. At least for now...

     

    26 comments

    • markthinks101  •  9 mths ago
      Soon, we'll be out-sourcing our leadership to China as well. Ain't been a real American in charge since JFK.
    • clydes  •  9 mths ago
      Cry babies the growth is in China so suck up and deal with it.
      • Bob K 9 mths ago
        Maybe if you're naive enough to believe everything the CEOs say. They'll claim they're moving operations to China to support the growing market. At the most that's partially true. In reality they're just moving the manufacturing to China to build and ship back to sell to the US market. That's nothing but labor arbitrage, it's a scam that the American people and hence the politicians need to address with tarriffs, VAT, or some other device. We should insist that if you want to sell here, you have to MAKE IT HERE! Simple as that.
    • TonyG  •  9 mths ago
      Is China bad for US job market? Hmmm ask our politicians, they will say no as we look at 10% unemployment rates.. Manufacturing is , was the major form of employment of middle class, now it is in China and so are the workers that get up in the mornings going to work. Look at all the Chinese people making the products we use today, that our own people was once making and still should be making to keep our ecomy roboust just as our politicians and our compamies are doing for our lovely friend and allie Communist China.. When did this country start supporting communism, and if we are supporting such a large communist country with its growing military aimed directly at ourselves, then why do we have such a problem with Cuba??? Our politicians are scum! Greedy self serving scum!
    • Ken K  •  9 mths ago
      China is not to blame... politicians are, for not putting tariffs on Chinese products, for allowing corporations to export their jobs overseas rather than make it advantageous to keep them here (taxes can be a two edged sword, harmful if they leave, helpful if they stay) then again the corporations have lobbyists to get whats best for them, and not Americans or America... so we come back to the major problem, Incumbents, Corruption, and Lobbyist influence in Washington.
    • Anonymous  •  9 mths ago
      No...China has been good to me. I have a patent pending product that was ridiculous to manufacture in the USA and China came to the rescue so you consumers can have it for 3 times cheaper then if produced in the states. Dont worry I paid Import taxes and profit taxes and the stores that are selling are collecting sales tax too.
      If not for China, I would be another Unemployed Worker Corporate America does not need as I do not speak another language from all this importing of immigrants. As far as giving a job to an American company I tried but they told me that because of regulations, taxes, blah, blah, blah it will cost me what I sell it for retail to get it from a manufacturer at buying 20,000 units to boot.... Experience not hearsay!
      • M 9 mths ago
        Also there are other inventors who bitterly complained that after they set up manufacturing and production in China with their Chinese contractors/subcontractors or partners only to see the same products/designs being sold by some other local Chinese companies that they don't recognize.
      • TonyG 9 mths ago
        I think those that love the communist country so much should have to live there!
    • nomoreT  •  9 mths ago
      we need to end NAFTA,CAFTA,GATT,and WTO
    • scott  •  9 mths ago
      when the united states bought steel from china to fix a major bridge in california it showed how much obama is doing to destroy the united states
      • Ian 9 mths ago
        Good try, Bagger. Not like Obama signed the Purchase Order. Dumb comments like this are why you Baggers have Zero credibility.
    • jeffery  •  9 mths ago
      American people and companies are stupid to think that taxing and regulate business is the real reason Corporate America is abandoning the United States for foreign countries. We as Middle class need to start asking the Republican Party why they are fighting to destroy the Middle class of American with laws that allow U.S. companies to use tax breaks and loopholes in are tax code to outsource good paying jobs to be enemy in foreign countries. We as country need to take a look at the future of our great union and see that only 10% of American citizens will have a job in the next 20 years. The U.S. debt cannot be bringing under control without a strong middle class with good paying jobs.
      • Ken K 9 mths ago
        I agree with all but one part... its not just Republicans, its very much the Democrats too... in fact, they have held control over Congress/Senate about 75% of the last 20 years... so if they weren't equally (if not greater) responsible for this economic mess, it could have never reached this point.
      • Bob K 9 mths ago
        Thank you, I often vote Repbulican but the line that "regulation" or "obamacare" is sending jobs overseas is complete nonsense for the feebleminded. Following their logic, offshoring must've just started in 2009. Those kind of stupid statements do much more harm than good.
    • jeffery  •  9 mths ago
      The great Sun Tzu asks his commanders how to destroy a country without sending your Army?
      The top commander in his Army told him to break the heart and soul of middle class of the country you want to rule. I hope the American people wake up and see what both parties are did to this great country by making Laws to allow are Companies to outsource U.S middle class jobs to foreign countries . The middle class is the back bone of our great union and without a strong Middle class this country is doomed to become a third world . Greed is the way Satan’s is going to remove the American people away from the kingdom of God.” The bible talks about the great red country that is going to destroy the Western countries from within (outsourcing of the Middle class future in the name of money)
    • micsavage  •  9 mths ago
      I work in Aerospace manufacturing. CEO's continue to BS their employees when asked "why move our jobs to China?". One of the biggest whoppers is "We need to move there in order to obtain their technologies." With all due respect, we sold them the technologies to begin with. So basicly we are being told that we are moving jobs to China to gain our own technologies! DUH!!!

      The other "Whopper" is stated as "China produces more engineers". LMAO!!! I have worked directly with several of these so called "Chinese engineers" and let me tell you that their quality of knowledge is nowhere near the quality of U.S. engineers. Now if the U.S. is lacking the number of engineers needed, then why do I know so many unemployed engineers?

      The manure just keeps getting thicker and thicker and American jobs will continue to suffer the stench more and more if we don't put a stop to this crap! Buy American whenever you can folks, because if you continue to buy Chinese the next jobs to move to China may be yours.
    • Doug N  •  9 mths ago
      I just can't believe how stupid Americans are. Yes, it is mor elucrative to manufacture in China right now, and that's because your regressive liberal congressmen have all voted to over tax and regulate business. You want to bring the jobs back? Take away the god like powers of the IRS and EPA, de-regulate businesses, and lower the freaking taxes!

      Seriously, when you have lawyers making laws, then you don't get people friendly laws. Lawyers are notoriously ass wipes, and you wouldn't exactly invite them to a BBQ. Elect business people to office, and the economy will turn up... keep the lawyers, and we drown in regulation. Its really simple people, stop being sheep!
      • Ken K 9 mths ago
        You forgot to mention it costs companies a lot less to manufacture cars and appliances in China where they get paid $3.00 an hour compared to union workers that get paid a minimum of $30.00 an hour plus benefits and a pension.
    • beckyb  •  9 mths ago
      If current trends continue, globalism will lead to a global standard of living. In the not too distant future, our cities will look like the slums of Mumbai and Shenzhen, a few monstrous mansions surrounded by miles and miles of slums with millions of people living in homes made from cardboard boxes and cow dung. Each toilet shared by 15,000.
    • LordFanny  •  9 mths ago
      We can't be an economically stable nation when we import everything. We're hemmoraging our nations wealth through imports.
    • Ernest _T_Bass  •  9 mths ago
      What we should do is outsource our government to other countries, for the amount of monies we pay them plus mega dollar retirements.they have failed us why not hire some cheap labor to do the same.it's a win win solution.
    • Eric  •  9 mths ago
      The China boom is slowly rusting as their workers demand more pay and environmental damage becomes apparent.
      Would love to see Obama and Congress hammer out a plan to incentivize American manufacturers to create jobs here.
      What exactly do we build on these American shores, anyway?
      Everything is built in Mexico or overseas.
    • Masonite  •  9 mths ago
      Tarriffs work well in creating lost revenue.
    • AlabamaJohnny  •  9 mths ago
      This is your normal state run media spin on jobs and companies wanting cheap labor. The truth is that most products only have 5 to 20 percent labor content in them. The only items that benefit from cheap labor are those with labor content over 20 percent. Most companies that move to China are moving for the LOW TAX RATE and LOW COST OF OPERATION. Every percent of drop in the tax rate is a direct savings in the cost of the product. The same goes for the operating cost. Labor is a much more complex calculation. The US has force jobs to move over seas with its 35% (highest in the world) corporate tax rate and the high cost to meet the federal government’s regulations. These regulations unnecessarily drive up the cost of operating a plant in the USA. If you want jobs to come back to the USA, take the corporate tax rate to ZERO and eliminate all the federal regulations imposed by departments of government and not passed by the congress.
    • Opus  •  9 mths ago
      keep buying that cheap crap from Walmart - without manufacturing jobs this country will die a very slow very ugly death
    • Kormster  •  9 mths ago
      Yes, qucikly run to Wi and ask those folks in that X-ray plant that Obamsa job czar. GE's jeff Imelt, is shipping to china.
    • EV  •  9 mths ago
      Yes, China has in fact destroyed or significantly reduced the US manufacturing base, but to say that China has taken ALL of our jobs is absurd and stupid. The US is becoming a service-based economy and gone are the days where we literally made stuff. For one thing, another part of the problem is the disappearance of our IT and customer service jobs as well the jobs that college-degreed US citizens are qualified for but can't have due to the importing of foreigners through the notorious and sometimes misused visa programs. I'm still waiting to read an article written by Yahoo on how India, our second major job-taker in the US, has also been an attractive outsource destination for many our companies. We can blame China all we want, but that won't solve a thing, if there are other countries who are doing the same thing.

      This is capitalism and globalism in full force, and we all knew it was going to happen.
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