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    China's Catholic church ordains another bishop

    BEIJING (AP) — China's government-backed Catholic church on Thursday ordained a third bishop without the pope's approval in eight months, despite a Vatican appeal to Chinese leaders.

    The ordination deepens a standoff in which the Vatican insists the pope has sole right to appoint bishops and Beijing's Communist leaders see that position as foreign interference.

    The Rev. Joseph Huang Bingzhang "is now the bishop of Shantou. The ordination ceremony has finished," Liu Bainian, honorary president of the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, the state-controlled group that runs China's Catholic churches, told The Associated Press on Thursday afternoon.

    Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi told reporters Thursday the Chinese ordination caused "pain and concern" at the Vatican.

    "The position and feelings of the Holy See and the pope have already been expressed in previous recent circumstances," Lombardi said.

    Vatican-affiliated news agency AsiaNews reported Wednesday that four bishops who had been held "for days" by government representatives would be forced to attend the ceremony in Shantou city in Guangdong province, along with four other bishops.

    Beijing places tremendous pressure on priests and lay people to acknowledge state-chosen bishops.

    A papal adviser, Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zen, took out a half-page advertisement in Wednesday's mass-market Apple Daily newspaper in Hong Kong to issue an "urgent appeal" to President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao.

    Zen urged the two leaders to restrain "rogue public servants" who are "using violence to assist scum inside the church to force bishops, priests, and followers to do things against their consciences."

    The Vatican was furious over the ordinations of the Rev. Guo Jincai in Chengde city in November and the Rev. Paul Lei Shiyin in Sichuan province just two weeks ago. It does not recognize them as bishops.

    The head of Hong Kong's Catholic church, Bishop John Tong, wrote a letter Wednesday to parishes in the diocese, reiterating that such ordinations are "illegitimate," AsiaNews reported.

    Hong Kong and Macau are the only places in China where papal authority over the Roman Catholic Church is allowed.

    Beijing severed ties with the Holy See in 1951 after the Communist Party took power and set up its own church outside the pope's authority.

    Faithful on the mainland are allowed to worship only with the state-sanctioned church, which recognizes the pope as a spiritual leader but rejects his authority to appoint priests and bishops. A thriving underground following remains loyal to the Vatican.

    ___

    AP writers Kelvin Chan in Hong Kong and Alessandra Rizzo in Rome contributed to this report.

     

    61 comments

    • In my own write  •  10 mths ago
      The Nazi Axis of which the Pope was an active member made war on China and conducted the rape of 100,000 women in Nanking.
    • In my own write  •  10 mths ago
      Would YOU welcome a child raping cult into your country?
    • Gerald R.Martinez  •  10 mths ago
      This is one good reason why China can not replace USA in leading the world. It is not democratic as shown here. If China could not handle or refuse to deal with the Vatican what's more if is the whole world?
    • nbakay  •  10 mths ago
      The communist was so stubborn because they are GODLESS and these would lead them to their demise. GOD BLESS >>> us all his creation.
      • Carl Shieffer 10 mths ago
        Nothing created you. You are evolved today by evolution.
      • nbakay 10 mths ago
        What evolution? Where it started? Needs an answer please…
      • nbakay 10 mths ago
        Are you a Darwinist? That stupid theory of evolution...? If it is true… you can’t find anymore today of that species of what Darwin referred for. I think in communist china there is a lot of it because you believe in that garbage theory of evolution. GOD BLESS >>> us all his creation.
    • Carl Shieffer  •  10 mths ago
      Under the name of "religious freedom", US Evangelical born again's are fiercely pushing their way of life onto China. People like Nhan does not speak a word in Chinese. Yes he claims to understand China. No he does not. Imagine a French expert who cannot understand daily French conversations. It is such fakes like Nhan who creates trouble between China and the Christian West.
      • Jacob A 10 mths ago
        True Religion . . .

        PRACTICES LOVE: True worshippers are “no part of the world,” are not divided by race or culture, and display ‘love among themselves.’ (John 13:35; 17:16; Acts 10:34, 35) Rather than killing one another, they are willing to die for one another.—1 John 3:16.

        TRUSTS GOD’S WORD: Instead of teaching “tradition” and “commands of men as doctrines,” true religion bases its doctrine on God’s Word, the Bible. (Matthew 15:6-9) Why? Because “all Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight.”—2 Timothy 3:16.

        STRENGTHENS FAMILIES AND UPHOLDS HIGH MORAL STANDARDS: True religion trains husbands to ‘love their wives as their own bodies,’ helps wives to develop ‘deep respect for their husbands,’ and teaches children to ‘be obedient to their parents.’ (Ephesians 5:28, 33; 6:1) In addition, those entrusted with positions of authority must have exemplary morals.—1 Timothy 3:1-10.

        Does any religion meet these standards? The book Holocaust Politics, published in 2001, says: “If more people practiced versions of what the Jehovah’s Witnesses preach and practice, the Holocaust could have been prevented and genocide would scourge the world no more.”

        Indeed, in 235 lands, Jehovah’s Witnesses do not just preach the Bible’s moral standards—they live by them. We urge you to ask Jehovah’s Witnesses to help you learn what God requires of you so that you can worship him acceptably. Now is the time to act. Do not delay. The end of false religion is near!—Zephaniah 2:2, 3.
      • Carl Shieffer 10 mths ago
        Ideally, communism should also work!
    • Jacob A  •  10 mths ago
      What is false religion? Are you distressed about crimes committed in the name of religion? Do the warfare, terrorism, and corruption perpetrated by those who claim to serve God offend your sense of justice? Why does religion seem to be at the root of so many problems?

      The fault lies, not with all religion, but with false religion. A widely respected religious figure, Jesus Christ, indicated that false religion produces bad works, just as a “rotten tree produces worthless fruit.” (Matthew 7:15-17) What fruit does false religion yield?
      1. Soldiers in battle; 2. A cemetery; 3. A priest
      False Religion . . .

      MEDDLES IN WAR AND POLITICS: “Across Asia and beyond,” says the journal Asiaweek, “power-hungry leaders are cynically manipulating people’s religious sentiments for their own needs.” As a result, the journal warns: “The world threatens to sink into madness.” A prominent religious leader in the United States declared: “You’ve got to kill the terrorists before the killing stops.” His solution? “Blow them all away in the name of the Lord.” By contrast, the Bible says: “If anyone makes the statement: ‘I love God,’ and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.” (1 John 4:20) Jesus even said: “Continue to love your enemies.” (Matthew 5:44) How many religions can you think of whose members engage in war?
      • Jacob A 10 mths ago
        什么叫错误宗教?你因别人以宗教名义犯罪而大感痛心吗?许多自称敬奉上帝的人发动战争,参与恐怖活动,贪污敛财,你因这些恶行而义愤填膺吗?为什么世上那么多难题看来都跟宗教有关?

        其实,应该受谴责的只是那些错误的宗教,而不是所有宗教。耶稣基督是一位广受尊重的宗教人物。他说,错误的宗教促使人做坏事,就像坏树只能结出坏果实一样。(马太福音7:15-17)错误的宗教结出什么坏果实呢?
        1. 战场上的士兵; 2. 墓地; 3. 教士
        错误的宗教……

        干预政治、参与战争《亚洲新闻》(英语)说:“在亚洲和许多别的地方,那些热衷权力、不择手段的政客,不惜煽动人民的宗教情绪,以达到自己的目的。”结果怎样?这本杂志说:“世人仿佛快要失去理智。”美国一个著名的宗教领袖说:“要终止恐怖分子的血腥暴行,就必须先消灭恐怖分子。”他建议用什么方法?“用上帝的名义杀死所有恐怖分子。”可是,圣经的观点却截然不同。圣经说:“谁自称爱上帝,却恨自己的弟兄,就是说谎的。”(约翰一书4:20)耶稣说:“总要爱你们的仇敌”。(马太福音5:44)看看世上的宗教,不是有很多信徒都参与战争吗?
      • Carl Shieffer 10 mths ago
        Ideally Communism should also work! 在理想社会,空想共产主义也可以完全成功。

        傲慢野蛮的基督教还是滚出中国吧。
      • Carl Shieffer 10 mths ago
        Luke 19:27: Where are those who refuse me to be the KING? Bring them all force and slain each in front of me - said Jesus.
    • Craig  •  10 mths ago
      The catholic church will never function in today's society like it used to because one simple fact: as people become more educated, a person claiming to have moral authority over everyone else will never be respected by the majority.
      • Gerald R.Martinez 10 mths ago
        I disagree! The Catholic Church is well functioning even in today's world of advance knowledge and awakening. It will continue to adapt as it continue to care for the spiritual needs of humanity. With out it the gates of hell will overcome it.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      I do not think the atheistic Chinese Government could care one fig about the Catholic Church. They are doing this on purpose to try and sabatoge any type of religious movement within their country.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  10 mths ago
      Maybe he likes the BOYS in china better????
    • L78lancer  •  10 mths ago
      So what is the real issue here? If the Communist government has not recognized the Vatican since 1951, this is not a new issue and the government's appointment of the new bishops should not be a surprise. In some ways (a few very limited ways) it seems similar to the formation of the Anglican Church in England when the king (government) took over as the governing head of the church with the Archbishop of Cantebury as the spiritual head - regardless of his reasons for doing so. Is the Catholic church in China still consistent with the Vatican in terms of doctrine and tradition? Why doesn't the Vatican disassociated the church in China from the rest of Catholcism? It' is evident that access to the over 1 billion people in the country has effectively been cut off.

      I would be curious to know the answers to these.
      • Jacqueline Theodelinda 10 mths ago
        The Chinese Catholics have been persecuted by the Communist government for at least 60 years. The communists have been trying to drive a wedge between Chinese Catholics and the rest of the Church, so they can manipulate and control them. The pope's job is to be a focal point of unity for Catholics worldwide, to insure continuity of the faith, and unity among the faithful..
      • Jacqueline Theodelinda 10 mths ago
        The Catholics of China don't want a church that is separate from the Catholic Church in union with the pope. This is being imposed upon them. It's a gross violation of freedom of religion.
      • Carl Shieffer 10 mths ago
        Jacuqeline, do you see the violence in Ireland?
    • Eagle  •  10 mths ago
      How many pope appointed bishop have done illegal sex act with kids? I heard many of them, just in my own neighborhood......
    • YellowFish  •  10 mths ago
      Is that mean china's church does not have to pay franchise free to Rome?
    • The Cozy Ewe  •  10 mths ago
      and china's child molestation rate just increased by 10%
    • Me, Cosmo  •  10 mths ago
      The Holy-Holy was furious ... SO WHAT ?
      What will the Holy-Holy do now? Excommunicate catholics who eat Chinese food? Start a new Spanish Inquisition? Get a life !
    • rationalandsane  •  10 mths ago
      Christianity is a foreign religion that should not spread to China.

      Unfortunately when i was there i saw many Chinese buying into the Christian scam.

      Chinese are becoming more stupid and idiotic than Americans.
    • Carl Shieffer  •  10 mths ago
      We Chinese do NOT believe in GOD. It is NOT because we believe in communism. We don't believe in communism either. It is because THERE IS NO GOD!
    • Behshahr  •  10 mths ago
      China obviously does not understand that the Pope is god's big rep on earth. Boy are they in trouble......
    • DR. Strangepork  •  10 mths ago
      nice
    • j  •  10 mths ago
      Considering THIS Pope was on the committee to check into molestations by priests while he was a Cardinal and DID NOTHING, I think China is to be commended for ignoring THIS Pope. Their Catholic Church will be SAFER.
    • PT  •  10 mths ago
      the pope can keep molesting white kids
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