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    Churches Banned From Using NYC School Buildings on Weekends

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    COMMENTARY | In a direct confrontation between church and state, the New York Department of Education has enacted a ban upon local church congregations utilizing space in the state's public schools for services. The fight between churches and the DOE has gone on for several years and went into effect on Feb. 12, meaning that next weekend, churches that have rented space in public schools in NYC will be homeless.

    The Blaze reported on the ban taking effect and the outcry from local pastors and churchgoers who have maintained that the eviction will leave thousands of people in the city without a place to worship. On the flip side, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and a spokeswoman from the Department of Education have stated that allowing the churches to rent public school space is a conflict between church and state and is a use of taxpayer dollars to "subsidize religion."

    According to The New York Daily News, the New York state legislature has introduced a bill that would allow the churches to continue renting space but that legislation has not moved as quickly as the ban date.

    Churches in need of meeting space found that renting spaces at public schools in the city was cost effective as other locations charged substantially more in rent.

    With public schools struggling financially across the country, the rent monies paid by the churches in question would certainly have created a beneficial and symbiotic relationship between the churches and schools. The schools would benefit from extra financial compensation and in some cases, churchgoers stepped up to help with graffiti removal and a drive to save a drama program at one school.

    In my own home state of Illinois, my local public school has a multi-purpose room that is available for rent by the public. The room has been rented by churches and religious groups for services, fundraisers and events as well as other non-profit organizations for community events and meetings. There has never been an issue with such use of the public school in my town as the groups have always paid their rental fees and have utilized the building without issue.

    In these instances, there has never been any question as to whether or not the school was advocating or subsidizing any church or religion. The school was simply allowing use of a public community room and collecting the stated rental fee without any further involvement.

    Is the fair use of public school space a mixing of church and state or is banning churches an infringement upon the right of assembly and practice of religion? It will be interesting to watch what comes of this case as it has far-reaching implications for other states and other organizations that depend upon rental of public school space for services and functions.

     

    15 comments

    • Mylinda  •  New Orleans, Louisiana  •  3 mths ago
      I'm curious what the real reason the NY Department of Education decided to stop this practice. After all they didn't just wake up and decide it was a conflict between church and state.
    • What Now  •  3 mths ago
      I believe in the seperation of religion and government, but this seems like an over reaction. If the churches/denominations in question are paying rent to use the space why not allow it to continue? Also, if members of other faiths are granted the same privilige there is no real conflict of interest. None we be shown any special favor over the other. As long as they are not altering the property or doing anything that would impinge on people in any way let it be.
    • Sammy  •  Mobile, Alabama  •  3 mths ago
      ..."Michael Bloomberg and a spokeswoman from the Department of Education have stated that allowing the churches to rent public school space is a conflict between church and state and is a use of taxpayer dollars to subsidize religion." ...

      ..."the rent monies paid by the churches in question would certainly have created a beneficial and symbiotic relationship between the churches and schools. The schools would benefit from extra financial compensation and in some cases, churchgoers stepped up to help with graffiti removal and a drive to save a drama program at one school."...

      Maybe I am missing something but if they are "PAYING RENT" they are not costing tax payers anything and are in fact helping subsides the maintenance on said school?

      In a cash strapped state like New York; wear is the conflict here?
      • William 3 mths ago
        Just because it generates cash for the state does not make it legal..

        Regardless whether it generates income or not it conflicts with the US Constitution. You don't just disregard that to make a buck on the side.
    • debi  •  3 mths ago
      another bit of stupidity by the dept of education, article stated they were getting paid and no issues, and the money generated from renting the school was helping the kids in schools and the people were even helping with the graffiti problem and to save a drama program in one school, well leave it to the politicians and the DOE to mess it up ! way to go guys thats thinking of the benfits of the kids and schools fist!
      • William 3 mths ago
        Regardless if it generates cash or not it is against the idea of seperation of church and state present in our constitution. Since the schools are are an entity of the state they should not be used by ANY religion. That goes for Pastafarianism too.
    • HypocrisyAtWork  •  3 mths ago
      Follow the pattern....he completely backs the mosque at ground zero but kicks christian's butts on a regular basis...
      • William 3 mths ago
        The building of a Mosque is far different from Schools, which are entities of the state, being used by ANY religious group based SOLELY on the seperation of church and state that is present in our constitution.

        That should be obvious.
    • sewpea  •  Ponca City, Oklahoma  •  3 mths ago
      Another incident of politics intruding where it has no business being.
      • William 3 mths ago
        How about a flip flop of that...

        The schools are an entity of the state so the churches had no business using them.
      • sewpea 3 mths ago
        Next time a school is hit by a tornado, see which local gov.office or business will let them use their buildings until the school is rebuilt. The church was paying rent............it was a business deal. If school is strictly for school or government, then so long scouts and anyone else using the building. Scouts are not a state entity, neither is the LGBT .
    • Starrie  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 mths ago
      Im always amazed at how afraid people are of the Christian religion.
      They want desperately to keep God away from kids. Kids need God more than they need anything else in life.
      • Malina Debrie 3 mths ago
        You're absolutely correct. It's the fear of the Christian faith. One way or the other, children when they are ready will find the Lord and no one will be able to keep them from Him when it is time..
      • michaelh 3 mths ago
        amen
      • William 3 mths ago
        While I support religion, and belong to the LDS Church, this oversteps the boundaries of the seperation of church and state.

        We don't need to go back to the 1600s in this nation. We are beyond that. We know so much more now than we did back then and to throw that all away is insane.

        I whole heartedly agree that God is important, but in order to honor the constitution of this country God must stay out of schools. There are many that don't agree with us and they have JUST as much right to an education as the rest of us.

        If you want your kid to experience God in school there are plenty of religious schools for you to send them too. Public school is not the place.
    • GOD  •  3 mths ago
      The REAL issue (i live in NYC) is that many of the churches would leave behind propaganda that the teachers constantly had to clean up before the students came to class. Every thing from the typical "Are you saved?" garbage to some really sick "You're going to hell" diatribes. The teachers have complained for several years and the city, after warning the church groups over and over, finally pulled the plug.
    • wr  •  3 mths ago
      Why can't several churches of different denominations share the same building? I.E. The Baptists meet at 9:00 a.m., the Methodists meet at 10:00 and so on. Places of worship are empty most of the time. Where is the brotherly love? Share and bring your costs down.
    • HypocrisyAtWork  •  3 mths ago
      So many smiling liberals...so proud of themselves...so pompous and elite. There is a large part of America whose rubber bands have been wound way to tight by you elite turds......when the rubberband snaps...what will happen?
    • Seller  •  3 mths ago
      I do not have any particular issue with a church renting school space- I used to attend one of those churches. However, when a church rents a space, they tie up the space on a long term basis, which locks others from use at that time pretty much forever.
    • Alan J  •  3 mths ago
      Its all good until a Hindu or Muslim wants to hold service in school. Repubs would be burning cross's at the school and shouting hatred at the religious members than.
    • Universalist  •  Melbourne Beach, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      xians keep pushing their bible law on the public sector - just like the public employers who claim that their religion comes before women's contraception rights -
      SO-
      let them build their own un-holy houses of slavery worship -
      push them back to the dark ages = thats where they live in their heads anyway -
      religion IS the problem - never the solution -

      xians & cath-o-lick bible slaves -
      CRYING WONT HELP & PRAYING WONT DO YOU NO GOOD !!
    • John Hardrock  •  Atlantic Beach, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and a spokeswoman from the Department of Education have stated that allowing the churches to rent public school space is a conflict between church and state and is a use of taxpayer dollars to "subsidize religion."

      a find it a little odd how bloomberg ( a jew) would support a mosque by down town by the WTC yet not want to collect rent from churches to use public space that is unused at the time. Now if they are not paying the full rate then yea.
    • Christopher  •  3 mths ago
      Churches should hold service out in NATURE where their forefathers found GOD aeons ago...Moses did not happen upon a building used for education during the week and moonlighted as a synagogue up on a cliff where a combustible twig was sweeping the floors and dusting off the books on the shelf.......
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