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    Clashes between Tibetans, gov't spread in China

    BEIJING (AP) — Deadly clashes between ethnic Tibetans and Chinese security forces have spread to a second area in southwestern China, the government and an overseas activist group said Wednesday.

    The group Free Tibet said two Tibetans were killed and several more were wounded Tuesday when security forces opened fire on a crowd of protesters in Seda county in politically sensitive Ganzi prefecture in Sichuan province. It quoted local sources as saying the area was under a curfew.

    According to the Chinese government, a "mob" of people charged a police station in Seda and injured 14 officers, forcing police to open fire on them.

    The official Xinhua News Agency said police killed one rioter, injured another and arrested 13.

    The spread of violence came after some 30 Tibetans sheltered in a monastery after being wounded when Chinese police fired into a crowd of protesters in neighboring Luhuo county, a Tibetan monk said Tuesday. He said military forces had surrounded the building.

    The monk would not give his name out of fear of government retaliation, and the Draggo monastery could no longer be reached by phone Wednesday.

    The counties have been tense for some time, and at least 16 Buddhist monks, nuns and other Tibetans have set themselves on fire in protest in the past year. Most have chanted for Tibetan freedom and the return of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who fled to India amid an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

    Many Tibetans resent Beijing's heavy-handed rule and the large-scale migration of China's ethnic Han majority to the Himalayan region. While China claims Tibet has been under its rule for centuries, many Tibetans say the region was functionally independent for most of that time.

    "Chinese forces are responding with lethal force to Tibetans' ever-growing calls for freedom," Free Tibet director Stephanie Brigden said in a statement Wednesday.

    A man who answered the telephone at the Seda county government office would not confirm or deny the group's account of Tuesday's violence. He would not give his name.

    Later Wednesday, phone lines for Seda police and government offices were constantly busy while calls to many other numbers in the county could not be connected.

    Xinhua cited a police officer as saying the mob gathered Tuesday afternoon to storm the Chengguan Police Station and that they attacked police with gasoline bottles, knives and stones.

    "They also opened fire at us, injuring 14 police officers," the report quoted the officer as saying.

    Chinese authorities have similarly blamed Monday's unrest in Luhuo on a "mob" and said that overseas advocacy groups are twisting the truth about what happened in order to undermine the government. The government says order has been restored there after one Tibetan died and four others were injured. It said five police were wounded.

    The International Campaign for Tibet says three were killed on Monday, including the brother of a religious leader in a local monastery.

    Independent confirmation of the clashes is difficult due to a heavy security presence and lack of access to outsiders.

    The United States, which will host Chinese Vice President Xi Jinping at the White House next month, has expressed grave concern at the reported violence.

    U.S. Special Coordinator for Tibetan Issues Maria Otero urged Beijing to address "counterproductive policies" in Tibetan areas that have created tensions and threatened Tibetans' religious, cultural and linguistic identity.

    U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said Washington has always been clear with China about its concerns for the human rights of Tibetans and others. She said the U.S. would be "just as clear" when Xi visits next month.

    British Foreign Minister Jeremy Browne said the U.K. also was concerned. "I urge the Chinese government to exercise restraint, to release full details of the incidents, and to work to resolve the underlying grievances," his statement said.

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    Associated Press writer Matthew Pennington in Washington contributed to this report.

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    Gillian Wong can be reached on http://twitter.com/gillianwong

     
    • Outsider  •  Lawrence, Massachusetts  •  4 mths ago
      People do not know the whole story should dig a little more than just reading (part of) this article. Get educated.
    • Y  •  4 mths ago
      Why do some people choose to believe admittedly censored and government controlled press and textbooks over whatever free speech brings is somewhat puzzling....

      If you can truly answer that, please refrain from cut/paste when you do so :)
      • Godfrey 4 mths ago
        I think your question tends to answer itself. It presupposes "free speech" as being genuinely "free speech" and therefore completely unbiased and accurate. Not everyone is so quick to buy into the label. Many previous articles from the "free" press have proven highly innaccurate, and politically motivated. Last year's Uighur riots in GuangZhou were described as "peaceful protests" that were violently disrupted by authoritarian police. Later, cell phone footage showed that these "peaceful protesters" were stabbing/clubbing all the non-muslims, and torching cars & buildings. "Free" press issued no apologies or retractions, and in some cases completely ignored the fact that these "peaceful protesters" had injured and/or killed hundreds.

        So to answer the question - of COURSE people would choose genuinely free and accurate reporting. There's just some question as to how genuine and/or accurate that reporting may be.
      • RayH 4 mths ago
        Because your free press LIES.
      • George 4 mths ago
        Because dogs believe whatever their masters tell them even if it's wrong.

        There is a difference between dogs and men, but communism does not make this distinction. Communism = MaoDogs4Life
    • George  •  3 mths ago
      ❤TIANANMEN SQUARE❤

      Always remember!
    • Y  •  3 mths ago
      Re: Free press or controlled press

      Thank you for your response.
      So, I've heard 2 coherent points, worth answering:

      1) Free press is biased - it has a "political agenda" (presumably unlike the controlled press which does not, and is not biased :).

      Godfrey, I'd like you to formulate the common political agenda of the following:
      NYT and WSJ
      CNN and FOX
      LATimes and Washington Post
      Village Voice and New York Post
      Globe and Mail and Toronto Sun
      the list goes on, but you get the picture.

      2) Free press reports facts inaccurately.

      Free press, first and foremost, is driven by competition.
      That means that there's nothing better WSJ would like to do, than to disprove the story of NYT, and therefore make them look unprofessional, while making sure that it's own reporting will withstand the same scrutiny.

      China, BTW is trying to thwart that whole effort by simply banning free press from observing events, forcing the opinions to take place of reporting.

      Your response, Godfrey, unwittingly illustrates the point - you know that GuanGzhou story was not true, thanks to.... oh, the irony - YouTube and it's cellphone footage :)

      Controlled press is also driven by competition, but it's goal is different:
      It is to please the controllers.

      So who do you believe?
      • Intelligent Designer 3 mths ago
        What? Control press is an oxy #$%$ You tell me that the market is 100% absolutely reflects the views of the world all the time? If so, than you would be seeing a more Eastern and Middle Eastern central views instead of the West.
    • Intelligent Designer  •  3 mths ago
      ❤TIANANMEN SQUARE 1949❤

      Thank you Chairman Mao for finally giving most China back to the Chinese!

      Always remember!
    • Groucho Marxist  •  Guangzhou, China  •  4 mths ago
      The Tibetan independence movement has always been a fabrication of foreigners, starting with Britain's quest for territory in the early 1900s. Even today, the bulk of activists are outsiders, stirring up a region that is clearly none of the West's business.
      • George 4 mths ago
        Mao 5 dog! lol
      • RayH 4 mths ago
        Tibet independence was invented by the British as a buffer zone between British India and Qing dynasty China.
      • Gorilla 4 mths ago
        Not only that. Territories that were once part of Tibet, eg the Aksai Chin, and Tawang were annexed by the British colonial government in India, and proclaimed as part of india.
    • Y  •  3 mths ago
      I would also like to note that it seems like both sides here say: there are two sides to the story, pay attention, people, right?

      Well, Godfrey, if we all lived the Western way, with it's free press, there would always be at least two sides to the story.

      If we all lived the CCP way the would only be one side.

      And we wouldn't be having this discussion.
      • Godfrey 3 mths ago
        @ Y - Sorry - late response, but did not see the yahoo notice till now.

        Your response (on my thread) presupposes that I would automatically believe that the "controlled" press is accurate, when I have clearly stated that I put no stock in EITHER. Even your wording in this case is something of proof regarding my point. To say "free" press is little more than name-branding the issue. There are two various subsets of propagandizing, and I have chosen to put no faith in either. Where lies are concerned, the choices should NOT be treated as if they were "exclusive or" statements. If one lies, does the other automatically become true? I find that logic flawed.

        As for your assertion that youTube is part of the "free" press...no. Likewise, they were not the exclusive carriers of that video showing how innaccurately that riot was reported (by the "free" press). China has their own sites that carried that video many hours before it was also loaded up on youTube. The "free" press got the information wrong, so I don't see how you could dress it up to say that they addressed the issue via youTube. The cell-phone videos exposed the "free" press. It is NOT part of "free" press.

        As for your comment here - I've had plenty of such discussions in China when I visited relatives. Maybe you think that's impossible, because you've chosen to believe everything that "free" press tells you. I don't. You asked a question, I answered it. I do not expect (nor insist) that you should change your mind, but at least recognize the bias involved in the labels and the approach. Pots and kettles, all.
      • Y 3 mths ago
        Sorry for the late response, been busy.
        I agree with you about the "free press",
        however, and this is my fault, the question was phrased wrong - what I meant by free press was really the free speech, of which free press is but one aspect.
        So, Youtube, which is, one's best chance to see the unfltered stuff, short of being there, is in fact not the free press, but surely a free speech.

        The whole rant was against the system, which tries to manipulate it by selective filtering, and the effect it has on the manipulated.
      • Intelligent Designer 3 mths ago
        @Y

        So is it your fault for thinking and viewing China that way in the first place?
    • Nombrecomun  •  4 mths ago
      I think the moment you read:

      "According to the Chinese government..."

      ...then everything else is suspect.
      • H8 Fools 4 mths ago
        No, then everything beyond those lines is total #$%$
      • M. C. L. 4 mths ago
        "According to Free Tibet" is also suspect...where exactly are they getting their info? In 2008, there were riots, shops burned and looted, and thousands of people were stabbed and Free Tibet called it "peaceful protests." Both sides have a political agenda.
    • dead_martian  •  4 mths ago
      when did Sichuan become a part of tibet per se?
    • Cool  •  4 mths ago
      Free Ireland, Free Scotland, Free Canada, Free Australia, Free America. The white skin pigs (English) out of America, Canada and Australia. Return these lands and continents to the native indians, aborigine people and black africans NOW....So, enough is enough.. China must copy the ways of demoracy in America to wipe out those tibetan parasites terrorists and evil, violent religious monks now as the europeans wiped out those native indians, and aborigine people. China must cancel those parasites tibetans terrorists granted title of ' Autonomous Region ' and throw them all out into many isolated ' Reservation Areas ' in China as the USA does....then the world can sit back and relax as the USA does in today... No matter China is socialism, communism or become democracy, Tibet, Mongolia, SingJian , and all islands in South China Sea are always a part of China's sovereign territory for thousand years and forever...
    • BigApple  •  Boxborough, Massachusetts  •  4 mths ago
      The following is another example of classical AP copy/paste. You see this same paragraph unchanged in every AP report on Tibet.

      "Many Tibetans resent Beijing's heavy-handed rule and the large-scale migration of China's ethnic Han majority to the Himalayan region. While China claims Tibet has been under its rule for centuries, many Tibetans say the region was functionally independent for most of that time."
    • Godfrey  •  Brooklyn, New York  •  4 mths ago
      Amazing that so many here "care" so much about Tibet, but can't seem to find it on a map. Sichaun is NOT Tibetan, and never has been. Have the Tibetans been herded into a reservation of some kind? If so, then why are they found throughout China. There desire to secede this current area is the equivalent of Hawaiians coming to California and declaring it their very own sovereign territory.
    • Fan  •  Boston, Massachusetts  •  4 mths ago
      What would the US government, including the local police departments have done if a "mob" of people attacked a police station? I bet ya they'd be using deadly forces. Just look at how rampant the problem of trigger-happy American policy firing on blacks and latinos.

      That said, I very much agree with the British government that the Chinese government must address the underlying grievances.
    • Intelligent Designer  •  3 mths ago
      @Y

      No without the "CCP way" you would NEVER see a different perspective. Under the "West way", you may get two views with the same perspective and ideology. Remember two wrong don't make a right.
    • S  •  Pleasanton, California  •  4 mths ago
      Attacking police stations -- what else can them come up with next?
      Police has the right to self defense too.
    • Cynicism Is My Umbrella  •  4 mths ago
      How hard is it to freaking look at a map? Just go on line. You got your butts parked at a computer right now so look it up. SICHUAN IS NO WHERE NEAR TIBET. About as far away as Kansas is from Wyoming. Funny how all you bashers just need to read the word China and you start foaming at the mouth. Get over yourselves. Hey - if Tibet is treated so badly how does it manage to "grow" like you losers seem to think it does? Jerks.
    • BigApple  •  Boxborough, Massachusetts  •  4 mths ago
      This event happens in China's Sichuan province, not in China's Tibet. Do they want Sichuan Independence?
    • Just Me  •  4 mths ago
      @Food4Thought,

      I refer to your recent post about millions of Tibetans being killed by the Chinese communist regime and here I would like to enlighten you what professor Mackerras in a Writenet paper written for the UNHCR expressed the view that claims such as that the Chinese are swamping Tibetans in their own country and that 1.2 million Tibetans have died due to Chinese occupation "should be treated with the deepest scepticism. He further wrote that ...

      "The figures show that since the early 1960s, the Tibetan population has been increasing, probably for the first time for centuries. What seems to follow from this is that the TGIE’s allegations of population reduction due to Chinese rule probably have some validity for the 1950s but are greatly exaggerated. However, since the 1960s, Chinese rule has had the effect of increasing the population of the Tibetans, not decreasing it, largely due to a modernization process that has improved the standard of living and lowered infant, maternity and other mortality rates."
    • Truth Hurts  •  Willards, Maryland  •  4 mths ago
      Gee .... I wonder what would you do if you are an injured cop, trapped in a police station, surrounded by an angry mob wielding molotov cocktails, knives and stones?
    • BigApple  •  Boxborough, Massachusetts  •  4 mths ago
      The American police would do the same thing if mobs charged a police station.
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