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    Company asks dismissal of Confederate flag case

    MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) — Ken Webber still proudly flies his Confederate battle flag with the word "Redneck" emblazed across it from the CB antenna on his pickup truck. He hopes that his lawsuit in federal court will get his job back driving a school bus.

    "What Mr. Webber is encapsulating is a Jeffersonian agrarianism, where you stand up for your rights," attorney Thomas Boardman argued Thursday in U.S. District Court. "If we are going to say someone cannot identify as a redneck, what else can we not identify ourselves as?"

    Attorneys for bus company First Student Inc. and the Phoenix-Talent School District countered that Webber himself said that the flag, a gift from his father, represented his "redneck" lifestyle, where family comes first, and people enjoy hunting, fishing and driving four-wheel-drive trucks through the mud. They said the flag did not represent any kind of political speech that would be protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

    The arguments came on a motion filed by the bus company and the school district asking the judge to decide the case based on legal arguments without going to a trial before a jury. Magistrate Judge Mark Clarke took the matter under advisement. No trial date has been set.

    Married and the father of four young children, Webber was fired last March after refusing bus company orders to take down the flag, cover it, or park some distance away from school property. Since losing his job, he has been taking classes at community college.

    School Superintendent Ben Bergreen had seen the flag on a visit to the bus yard and demanded that the flag be removed from school property, citing a policy prohibiting symbols that could be offensive to minorities.

    Caroline Guest, attorney for First Student, said that because the flag hung down while parked at the school bus yard, no one could see the word "Redneck," so the flag could not be considered any kind of political speech.

    "He had it because he identifies as a 'redneck,'" she said. "He's proud of it, but he is not intending to tell the world."

    Clarke said someone had to get the message.

    "It's a 5-foot flag," he said.

    Boardman argued that because the flag flew for 19 months without anyone complaining to the district, the issue was one of public concern, protected by the Constitution, and not a private concern, which is not protected.

    Bergreen "launched a pre-emptive strike on the First Amendment," Boardman said. "There was no clear danger. There wasn't even a present danger.

    "If Mr. Bergreen had stepped 6 feet to the right that day, (so he didn't see the flag), we wouldn't be here today," Boardman said.

    Morgan Smith, attorney for the school district, said Bergreen was not directly responsible for Webber's firing and merely informed the bus company that the flag violated district policy.

    "It was really more of a demand, wasn't it?" asked the judge. "Get that thing down?"

    "No, your honor," answered Smith.

    "So the district would have been fine if the flag never came down?" the judge asked.

    "It's unclear," Smith said. "I don't think there is not a sufficient nexis between what the school district has done, and what First Student has done," to qualify the firing as an action by the district.

    Boardman argued that the firing took place on school property, and an email Bergreen sent to the bus company's local manager showed he intended to intimate her and was angry the firing had gotten into the news.

     
    • StevemM  •  Corvallis, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      Funny, I don't recall the confederate flag being designed SPECIFICALLY to symbolize slavery....... What about the Black Panthers flag? Ill bet you dollars to donuts THAT flag can be flown without any issues.....
      • Any Mouse 3 mths ago
        Where can you buy a donut for a dollar? I want one. I'm with you StevenM, on your first sentence and your second sentence too.
    • Fred Johnson  •  Fayetteville, North Carolina  •  3 mths ago
      Well H**l...Let's show our hospitality. Maybe he'd like to come fishing or hunting with us so we could discuss our differences. A cookout and beer to follow!
    • siobhanb  •  Englewood, Colorado  •  3 mths ago
      all right here goes. They should not have the right to fire him over this! If this was a properly documented firing of problems they had with his driving then I would back them but this is a personal issure about someone else being a bully because of power. DON'T EVEN SEE THE BUS DRVERS CARS OR TRUCK BECAUSE THE BUSBARNIS MORE ISOLATED sorry about the caps but my arthistis hit the button and i don't feel like retyping.
    • Louis  •  3 mths ago
      Did he put the flag on the bus? No? Then leave the man alone and give him his job back!
      • Vet 3 mths ago
        I'm inclined to agree with you. I don't respect redneckhood but the First Amendment does not only cover political speech. Being a redneck probably doesn't impact his job any more than his morbid obesity. The boss should butt out and reinstate him.
    • Russell  •  3 mths ago
      Seems to me now Bergreen is trying to isolate himself from this issue now. Smith does the old soft shoe dance with the judge too. Bergreen is mad because "Webber did not respect my Authorita". The real problem is summed in two words "School Superintendent".
    • lee  •  Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  3 mths ago
      WONDER what would have happened IF it was a MARIJUANA flag?
      • 1984 3 mths ago
        THey're not even close to the same thing. He explained his reason behind it, don't make it more than it is.
    • R  •  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      Unfortunately for him, it was non-PC speech. It's little different than I experienced when I worked for a US govt. agency within the Beltway. The rule was that no one was allowed to have any campaign posters or bumper stickers for the last presidential election. The reality was that this rule was only enforced against non-blacks and those who did not support our current president. I complained about all the Obama posters and stickers and was told to shut up.
    • StarshipTrooper  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 mths ago
      Funny. 'Redneck' is a so-called racial slur yet not only is there a Redneck Bank in Oklahoma; some Whites refer to themselves as Rednecks as well...........and quite a few Black folks self identify as one to boot.
      • yahooblows 3 mths ago
        Rednecks were miners but I wouldn't expect most of the illiterates here to know that !
    • Roger  •  3 mths ago
      If it's freedom of speech for the Westboro Baptist Church, it's freedom of speech for Rednecks too.
    • Buck  •  3 mths ago
      "It's unclear," Smith said. "I don't think there is not a sufficient nexis between what the school district has done, and what First Student has done," to qualify the firing as an action by the district."

      When lawyers start using sentences that don't really say anything or even attempt to make sense, you know that THEY know that they are in the wrong.
    • Wayne  •  Wilmington, North Carolina  •  3 mths ago
      "so the flag could not be considered any kind of political speech."

      So now the Constitution only protects the right to political speech?
      Some will say he was stupid for not taking the flag down while on school property, but it is a matter of principle. Principles are another shortage we seem to have now days.
    • MindyLou  •  3 mths ago
      What a litigious society we are...
      • ScootGaloot 3 mths ago
        Because he suing that his rights have been violated - because they have? He's not suing because he spilled coffee in his lap or something.
    • it's only make believ ...  •  Tampa, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      i'm no redneck, but i'm from the south and PROUD. other groups fly their thing, why we have to be singled out!!! and for you ignorant peeps, DOES NOT promote racism!!!! learn the history and you WILL KNOW. hint: lincoln started the racism bit during the war......
    • recon110  •  Southfield, Michigan  •  3 mths ago
      Cant wait for the Islamic flags to start flying which I find offensive. Will the govt allow them to fly as well. This is why we have 1st Amendment rights.
    • ANGRY VET  •  3 mths ago
      I hope he sues them all, and the resulting allout from having to pay this man over him being fired over something so trivial and stupid, the Superintendent loses HIS JOB for costing the county and the bus company loses their bus contract.

      With that said, I DO NOT identify myself with a rebel flag. The only flag I salute is the Stars and Stripes.

      The term "redneck" to me is a derogatory one. The fact that this man identifies with that term is his own problem NOT the bus company or the schools.
    • John  •  Philadelphia, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      What nerve they have to tell a judge he does not have, have a jury here it thats taken it too far his right to be heard.
    • Gabriele Tucker  •  Monterey, California  •  3 mths ago
      What’s next? The flag flew for 19 months and nobody complaint now that the fired him the flag becomes an issue! The want to get rid of him and using the flag as an excuse.
    • frank  •  3 mths ago
      Whats next? Bumper stickers.
    • Mushroom  •  3 mths ago
      Again someone with more time than sense on their hands. I am a very active Atheist. I have learned to pick my battles. This thing was on school property for how long...over a year...while he was driving a school bus. If you can have a NAACP bumper sticker, you can have this flag. One is just as much a object of derision for one group as another. I see all kinds of political/social identification on the cars of school employees. I have seen lifestyle humor like this. No one was being heckled or jeckled, it was the man identifying his lifestyle. Would the school say the same thing about GLBT colors on a bumper sticker?
    • Bob  •  Doylestown, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      Yup, I can't say certain words or fly a certain flag or make negative comments about people, boy that 1st amendment really works well for everyone.
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