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    Conn. gets tough with Amazon, pushing on with tax

    HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) — Connecticut officials are not giving up on requiring Internet sellers to collect state sales taxes, despite signs from online retailer Amazon.com that it has no immediate plans to abide by the state's new Internet tax law.

    State officials confirmed to The Associated Press that Amazon wrote the Department of Revenue Services this month, saying the company is not obligated to abide by the law because it does not have a physical presence in Connecticut. Amazon contends that by not having a physical presence, it does not have to collect and remit taxes to the state, a protection of the U.S. Constitution.

    Connecticut plans to press Amazon for the taxes the state believes it should have collected at least during the month or so when the new law was in effect and Amazon still had affiliations with websites in Connecticut through its Amazon Associates Program. Amazon severed those ties in June.

    The state could expect up to $9.4 million a year in additional revenue if remote sellers, including Amazon, complied with the new law, according to an estimate by the General Assembly's Office of Fiscal Analysis. That estimate was based on data from a comparable New York law.

    Connecticut officials believe Amazon is obligated in other ways, as well.

    "All we have to do is get in the door. Once we get in the door, there are some more opportunities that come," DRS Commissioner Kevin Sullivan said. Connecticut plans to evaluate some other connections Amazon has with people in the state and start building a case that Sullivan predicted will ultimately be decided in court. He said he didn't know how much money the state could expect to collect from the month or so that's in question.

    "They're not fighting against a burden on their ability to do business in the state of Connecticut," Sullivan said. "They're fighting to protect an advantage against everybody else who's doing business in the state of Connecticut."

    Cash-strapped states across the country are grappling with how to capture the sales tax revenues that go uncollected from online purchases, with at least six states enacting laws similar to Connecticut's as of June, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. NCSL estimates that all states are losing $23 billion each year, a figure that climbs annually as more people shop on the Internet instead of in their local stores, said Neil Osten, director of NCSL's Washington, D.C., office.

    Connecticut, he said, is estimated to lose $152 million a year from uncollected sales taxes from Internet retailers that don't currently collect the tax.

    Gov. Dannel P. Malloy, who pushed for the Internet tax law as part of his budget plan to fill a $3.3 billion deficit, said he's committed to the cause for the long haul and believes Connecticut and other states will eventually win the battle.

    "This is our initial request, their initial response. This has got miles to go before we sleep," Malloy said in an interview. "I also believe there are trends at play in the United States that are going to move in the right direction to dissipate the unfair advantage that these kinds of retailers have over job-producers in our state."

    Multiple messages seeking comment from representatives from Seattle-based Amazon were not answered.

    The Department of Revenue Services denied a Freedom of Information request made by the AP for copies of correspondence between the department and Amazon regarding the state's new tax law, claiming the letter falls under the state's confidentiality statutes and therefore cannot be released to the public.

    Sullivan said DRS also sent a letter informing the Utah-based O.co, also known as Overstock.com, another large online retailer, that it must comply with the state's new law. The company's general counsel, however, told the AP that he does not believe O.co needs to comply after ending business relationships with Connecticut-based online advertising affiliates once the law was passed.

    "By severing those ties, we effectively severed any sort of obligation," said Mark Griffin, Overstock's general counsel. "We don't have boots on the ground in Connecticut and trying to say that we do because we advertise through Connecticut affiliates — in order to avoid that argument, we'll simply terminate those opportunities in Connecticut."

    Griffin said he could "promise (DRS) a very healthy and robust legal challenge" if the state tries to recoup what he called "minuscule" sales taxes that may have been generated when there was still a relationship with the affiliates and the law was in effect.

    New York was the first state to pass a version of the "Amazon law" two years ago. Other states, including North Carolina, Rhode Island, Illinois and Arkansas followed suit, prompting Amazon to cancel its ties with affiliates in those states as well, with the exception of New York, where Amazon is challenging the law in court.

    California has been one of the most recent battlegrounds in the fight over Internet sales tax collection. That state enacted a law that tried to boost tax collections by expanding the definition of "physical presence" in the state to include marketing affiliates, who steer online customers to the retail site, and to sister companies. Amazon's Silicon Valley subsidiary developed the Kindle electronic book reader.

    Amazon initially called the law illegal and spent more than $5 million to gather signatures for a 2012 ballot referendum to repeal the law. But a compromise was later reached between state lawmakers and Amazon, and signed by the governor, that delayed the expanded online tax collections until at least September 2012, giving Amazon and other retailers more time to lobby Congress for a federal law that would authorize states to require sellers to collect sales taxes of goods to in-state customers regardless of seller's location.

    "Perhaps California will serve as something of a model that will usher in more agreements between Amazon and other states," said Carol Kokinis-Graves, an attorney and a senior editor for the information service provider CCH, which is based in Riverwoods, Ill.

    Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam and Amazon announced Thursday that the online retailer had agreed to begin collecting sales taxes in that state in 2014. It was part of an agreement to build two more distribution centers in the state. Amazon will be required to begin collecting sales taxes in January 2016 under a recent law in South Carolina, where the company is also building a distribution center.

    Kokinis-Graves said it's possible Connecticut will succeed in getting Amazon to pay the tax for those purchases made during that small window of time when it still had arrangements with its affiliates and the law was in place. She said it remains to be seen whether prolonged litigation, which would be costly for both sides, will be necessary.

    "Amazon is fighting this on many state fronts. The entire controversy has pushed the issue to the forefront and has, perhaps, become the impetus behind the potential passage of federal legislation," she said.

    A group of Democrats in Congress led by Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois introduced the Main Street Fairness Act earlier this year after receiving support from Amazon for the latest version of the federal legislation. It authorizes states that agree to simplify and unify many of their sales tax rules to require remote sellers to collect the tax. Currently, 24 states have passed legislation to streamline their tax rules. Connecticut is not one of them.

    At the time, Amazon's Vice President for Global Public Policy Paul Misener said the online retailer has "long supported a simple, nationwide system of state and local sales tax collection, evenhandedly applied to all sellers, no matter their business model, location, or level of remote sales."

    Griffin, from Overstock, is wary of the federal legislation, which he said is an effort by the big retailers with brick-and-mortar stores that want to put Internet competition out of business.

    He said the legislation, in its current form, is unfair. Griffin said there are 7,000 to 10,000 taxing districts across the country, all of which have their own rules and tax holiday. Despite efforts to unify them, he claims it will still be a nightmare for online retailers to comply.

    NCSL first came up with the streamlined tax agreement idea more than 10 years ago with the National Governors Association and has been encouraging states to join. Osten believes the legislation has a good chance of passage now and credits the budget-cutting that's being considered by the new deficit-cutting, so-called super committee in Washington.

    States are facing possible deep cuts in federal aid. Passing the legislation would allow them to collect sales tax from Internet transactions to raise money to fill those holes. Osten said that could be seen as a good political move for members of Congress who want to return home with some good news for their states.

    "I think we have a bill now," he said, "that everybody can agree with."

    Griffin disagrees.

    "I don't think in this timeframe imposing new taxes is appetizing for anyone," he said. "So I think it's a loser."

     

    126 comments

    • RICHARD S  •  7 mths ago
      1969 Supreme Court Case ""National Bellas Hess, Inc. v. Department of Revenue of Ill"", found that taxing out of state vendors ( mail order ) in violation of the 14th amendment.
    • dave  •  7 mths ago
      If this ever comes to pass, I will simply buy items from a site headquartered overseas. I will gladly pay the shipping costs associated just as a #$%$ to the politicians who don't have the brains to balance the budget in good times and when times are lean want to make consumers suffer even more for their own stupidity. F U to connecticut and any other state involved in this. If retailers are suffering, offer better prices. It's supply and demand. For example, there is no reason for stores such as best buy to sell hdmi cables for 50-100 bucks when I can pick up similar cables online for 5-15 bucks. It's corporate greed. Fleecing of the unwary customers who go to their stores and often buy unnecessary goods tacked on to a purchase due to the influence of a "sales rep" who could care less. Unfortunately, when making purchases not everyone does their research. But I can tell you for certain that my days of buying in brick and mortar stores are about over.
      • TJ 7 mths ago
        the reason the price is so high is because of the taxes!
      • --RAfiKi- 7 mths ago
        i had the same hdmi cable thing come up at best buy and bought them on amazon for $5. last time i ever went into a best buy and now i learned to buy everything online.
      • Cartigan 7 mths ago
        Dave, you have fun paying $100 in shipping costs instead of $10 in taxes.
    • E.  •  7 mths ago
      Yeah, Amazon could probably handle the overwhelming bookkeeping involved in collecting for 10s of thousands of jurisdictions and all their special policies, but it would limit any retail web presence to only mega-corporations. Even medium-sized small businesses would find it too much. Of course it would spring up a whole new business of "sales tax processing", probably dominated by the mega-banks. Hmmm, more taxes for the states, more power for mega-corporations, and more profits for banks -- sounds like a done deal if I know anything about politics.
      • Jack 7 mths ago
        amazon is not a mega corporation??
      • Eric 7 mths ago
        Exactly - the bookkeeping side would kill the smaller retailers. That's why a flat 5% (or whatever) tax across the boards would make things so much easier. It makes things simpler for the online stores (thus making them more receptive to the idea) and the states still have a source of revenue. And if Illinois or California or whoever complain that "Five percent is too small. Our normal sales tax is 9%..." Too bad. You're collecting 0% right now - which do you prefer?
    • human  •  7 mths ago
      There goes more US jobs. Next headline Amazon moved out of the US Bob. Why couldn't they just give more money to the government to spend?
    • Michael  •  7 mths ago
      Way to move our Marketing and Wep Site jobs to India, CT. Good Job.
    • Old guy  •  7 mths ago
      All of these sellers have a physical presence in some state where they pay taxes. That state collects all of the taxes from the seller. If that seller than has to pay state taxes to all the other states, why are they in business at all?? Simply being there is not going to produce jobs, there has to be a profit.
      • Old guy 7 mths ago
        Of course, if the Nazi government has it's way we will all be paying more taxes than we make in income.
      • Old guy 7 mths ago
        With every state trying to gain an advantage by collecting taxes on sales in it's own territory, all of the online re-sellers will be paying taxes to every state,
      • Old guy 7 mths ago
        Where is the constitutionality of that, why should they. I think Amazon is correct, they are physically located in Washington where they pay taxes.
    • romikk  •  7 mths ago
      of course given enough issue, Amazon and the rest can simply move across the border to Canada.
      • sean 7 mths ago
        More difficult for a large distributor to operate in Canada because labor and tax rates are actually higher. They could possibly do more in Mexico, but most of thier product would get stolen on the highways.
    • romikk  •  7 mths ago
      Requiring collection of sales taxes from another State is a violation of the DCC Interstate commerce clause. I wonder if Amazon after defending itself and winning can then sue the individual States and recollect legal fees; putting taxpayers once again on the hook for it's legislator's follies..
      • Raleigh 7 mths ago
        Amazon already won in the US Supreme Court. This is another attempt by a state to work around the law.
    • what?  •  7 mths ago
      fight this tooth and nail, if conn goes, the dominoes will begin to fall. next they will want to tax #$%$
    • Scrivner  •  7 mths ago
      ' "All we have to do is get in the door. Once we get in the door, there are some more opportunities that come," DRS Commissioner Kevin Sullivan said.'

      Spoken like a true government thief. And people complain about corporations being greedy? At least corporations don't force people to pay for things they don't want or need.
    • Kelly  •  7 mths ago
      Any court who backs the state on this one, the people will hold the Judge responsible and all hell will break loose I'm sure! People have had enough of this corruption, where does it end?
    • Kelly  •  7 mths ago
      Amazon is right in standing up against these thugs! It is in violation to our Constitution and America will simply not have it! Shame on the states who do not back the Constitution. Ron Paul 2012!
    • Nathan  •  7 mths ago
      This is just another clear sign of corruption and greed, basically this law and other like it are saying, if we dont get out money then we make a law that lets us get our money from whoever we can.
    • Phillip  •  7 mths ago
      Should five per cent appear too small,
      Be thankful I don't take it all.
      'Cause I’m the taxman,
      Yeah, I’m the taxman.

      (if you drive a car, car;) - I’ll tax the street;
      (if you try to sit, sit;) - I’ll tax your seat;
      (if you get too cold, cold;) - I’ll tax the heat;
      (if you take a walk, walk;) - I'll tax your feet.

      Taxman!
    • Jimmie  •  7 mths ago
      This story should read:
      "Tax and spend governments just can't tax enough."
    • Richard  •  7 mths ago
      These states are hurting themselves as Amazon cancels any affiliate that lives in that state so the States lose state income tax on the affiliates income & puts affiliates out of business. Bunch of DA's
    • simile  •  7 mths ago
      Come here to Oregon, we have no sales tax and you'd be keeping the company in the US. Besides, we need the jobs!
    • --RAfiKi-  •  7 mths ago
      sure way to send industries overseas. Id just buy from china or mexico and save the tax or use ebay. Ill always be one step ahead of you taxman.
    • MICHAEL  •  7 mths ago
      From now on I am going to buy everything I can from Amazon. Maybe someday Amazon will be bigger than Connecticut and can then tell Conn that it has to pay taxes to Amazon.
    • MICHAEL  •  7 mths ago
      If the people of Connecticut want Amazon to collect sales tax from them, then Amazon should stop selling stuff to them.
      On the other hand, if this is not what the people of Connecticut want, then it is not what the government of Connecticut should do. We have representative government in America, don't we?
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