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    Constitution Check: Should the people be able to veto Supreme Court decisions?

    Lyle DennistonIn a continuing series of posts, Lyle Denniston provides responses based on the Constitution and its history to public statements about the meaning of the Constitution and what duties it imposes or rights it protects. Today’s topic: giving the people a veto over controversial Supreme Court decisions.

    The statement at issue:

    “At the center of Theodore Roosevelt’s reform agenda [a century ago] was a simple, albeit controversial, proposal: the recall of judicial decisions…Roosevelt’s proposed remedy – what might be called a ‘People’s Veto’ – could be reserved for 5 to 4 decisions of the Supreme Court on constitutional issues….A People’s Veto would permit the public to weigh in, perhaps following a national petition drive or congressional authorization.”

    Thomas Donnelly, lecturer on law at Harvard Law School, The ‘People’s Veto’: A way to keep the courts in check,” op-ed column in The Washington Post on December 30, previewing an article that is to be published in March in the Wisconsin Law Review.

    We checked the Constitution, and…

    Aside from the sometimes heated rhetoric recently in the Republican presidential race about “dictatorial” judges, there is an ongoing, civil discourse about various ways to ensure that the Supreme Court does not have the last word on the Constitution’s meaning. Of course, a constitutional amendment to explicitly redistribute the power to interpret the founding document would work.

    But other ideas short of that, often coalescing around the idea of “popular constitutionalism,” have been emerging. The work of scholars such as Yale’s Bruce Ackerman, Stanford’s Larry Kramer and Harvard’s Mark Tushnet, for example, has been aimed at reclaiming a voice for ordinary citizens in constitutional interpretation. They are talking mainly about a simple assertion of a right to that voice, without the need for constitutional revision, as such.

    Thomas Donnelly’s column may be only a variation on that theme, but his proposal is framed in such specific structural terms that it would seem to require that the existing Constitution be amended in order to erect a “People’s Veto.” His use of the word “veto” and the way in which he imagines its use suggest that at least some Supreme Court constitutional decisions would actually be undone simply by acts of popular will.

    The Supreme Court itself has said repeatedly that even Congress lacks the power to alter one of the Justices’ constitutional rulings by passing a simple statute; only the Court itself, or a constitutional amendment, can do that, according to repeated Court precedent.

    Donnelly apparently would change that, at least for that “handful of controversial cases” decided each term “by a bare majority” of the Court. Such rulings, he went on, “are all but impossible to reverse in the short term – even as they bitterly divide the Justices.”

    He interprets such rulings as attempts “to push constitutional doctrine in a new direction,” and that, therefore, the American people should have a mechanism for responding, a way to say whether the public wants to follow along on such new paths. Thus, he suggests, a 5-4 Supreme Court decision would not “settle” the constitutional controversy, but instead would “trigger” a  People’s Veto.

    As an example, Donnelly notes that the media have been talking about how the Supreme Court will “settle” the constitutionality of the new federal health care law. If there were a People’s Veto, he argues, the media would in the future focus on ‘how the American people would likely ‘settle’ the controversy.”

    This initial discussion provides no real detail on how that would actually come about, other than to say it might follow “a national petition drive or congressional authorization.” Both of those “triggers” appear to be somewhat akin to the Constitution’s present provision in Article V for calling a new constitutional convention. But he uses the word “voters” in talking about how the Veto would be expressed, saying that the voters “might ask themselves how they would decide the issue – and why.”

    That sounds like not much more than an expression of constitutional advice, so it might not have the real-world effect of overturning the Supreme Court decision. But if the “voters” are, as he suggests, to gain the power to settle such divisive constitutional issues, there would have to be some device for translating their views into binding law. The complications of that are sufficiently daunting that one might ask whether Donnelly does, in fact, want the Veto to be binding.

    It will be interesting, then, to read his extended version of the People’s Veto argument in the forthcoming law review article.

    Lyle Denniston is the National Constitution Center’s Adviser on Constitutional Literacy. He has reported on the Supreme Court for 54 years, currently covering it for SCOTUSblog, an online clearinghouse of information about the Supreme Court’s work.

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    • anon  •  3 mths ago
      One of the most shameful episodes in US history is the Trail of Tears, when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court. He would certainly have been supported by a majority of voters at the time. I really dislike the Citizens United decision, but abandoning the founding fathers' concern about a tyranny of the majority is not the way to address that sort of issue.
      • Thomas 3 mths ago
        I agree the result in Citizens United is not one I like; but I really think the Court had no choice.
      • judgealan 3 mths ago
        the court had a choice corporations are not people with fre speech rights they are business apparatus, their ability to give unlimited amounts of cash espcially since many are OWNED by foriegn nationals or are MULITNATIONALS means that the rest of the world now has a voice in american elections instead of JUST AMERICANS.
        I WAS IN MUNICH GERMANY and was interviewed on TV the EU wants a VOTE in the american elections since the american govrnment controls via the military and corporations so much of the world and they said they should have a LEGAL BINDING VOTE in american elections...well the supreme court just GAVE THEM THAT VOICE with citizens united just short of an actual vote
    • wHoyaDaddy!  •  3 mths ago
      We already have the power to overrule the Supreme Court- with a constitutional amendment. The powers were separated for a reason, the bar to change was set very high for a reason. Our forefathers were smart. They knew if given the the chance our stupid and petty politicians would mess everything up for short term gains in power. Both sides of the aisle prove this time and again. Our fore fathers knew what they were doing.
    • John Q. Public  •  3 mths ago
      People _already_ have the ability to veto Supreme court rulings, they're called Constitutional Amendments. What is so difficult to understand about the Constitution that people keep wanting to revise it?
    • MC  •  3 mths ago
      Roberto said it. The Supreme court is made up of people whose livelyhood is to interpret legal documents and what they mean. Upholding the Constitution isn't about how the majority feels, it's about interpreting what the authors meant when they wrote it. Letting the average person make decisions regarding my Constitutional rights doesn't sit well with me at all.
    • Dr. Becker  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 mths ago
      I don't know. . .While I certainly don't like every desision that comes out of the US Supreme Court, the fact that a decision is 5-4 means the issues are not clear cut to the best 9 legal minds in our country. So then we should have an election where the electorate chooses based on emotion or who spends the most on political advertising? Most of the electorate are not very informed much less experts on constitutional law. I have college students every year who can't compose a complete sentence or do simple math without a calculator, but Mr. Donnelly would have us entrust our constitutional protections to these same masses largely ignorant of constitutional law as well as history?
      • Gary Freedom 3 mths ago
        It is 'We the People' and not 'We the Supreme Court'.
      • Dr. Becker 3 mths ago
        Yes, yes it does, Gary. But it says quite a bit after that, too, including the establishment of the Supreme Court. The US is not literally a democracy thank God. The US is a republic, a federal republic at that which is why we don't elect the President by popular vote and why each state gets two Senators and a minimum of three electoral college votes for president regardless of population. This way all the loony toons in California that make up about 12% of the US population don't get to completely overpower the 0.18% of the relatively more normal people that live in Wyoming.
    • Joseph  •  Toledo, Ohio  •  3 mths ago
      Considering the ignorance, if not outright stupidity coupled with self serving interests, a peoples veto would be the worse possible thing there could be. The better solution would be a Constitutioal Amendment which would actually formally give the Senile Nine the authority (which was assumed, althoug it naturally should belong to the Supreme Court) to void law on grounds of unconstitutonality and to make that voiding require a supermajority instead of the simple majority it is at present. Also that authority needs to be reserved strictly for the Supreme Court and not allow any two bit judge with aspirations to greatness to rule a law unconstitutional.
      • Larry 3 mths ago
        Lucid
      • Ralph 3 mths ago
        No single judge can rule definitively that a law is unconstitutional. The ultimate decision is with the Supreme Court 9. Everyone can appeal beyond a single judge if they think they have a case.
    • tigrca01  •  3 mths ago
      Rulings like the one in Citizens United almost makes one wish there was such a direct manner; but there's a reason we have a Constitution that can't be changed easily; and opening it's interpretation to popular vote and direct majority rule defeats the purpose of many of the Constitution's provisions, as well as our country's very nature.
      But it can be amended, and has been many times for issues of utmost importance.
      Anyway, rulings can and have been overturned in later cases; it's just not an overnight process.
      • Ralph 3 mths ago
        The Court indicated that Congress could remedy the threats posed by the Citizens United decision, but that would be like having the fox guard the hen house. Neither political party wants to cut off those unlimited funds. It is in the PEOPLE'S interest to limit the political influence of big money.
    • George  •  3 mths ago
      The people already have the means to override the Supreme Court. It is described in Article 5 of the Constitution and calls for a 2/3 majority vote of congress plus 2/3 of the state legislatures. No matter what Messrs Cain and Gingrich demand, this is what it would take to change the Supreme Court authority.
    • Jose on a Stick  •  3 mths ago
      The people can veto Supreme Court decisions. They do this by electing congressmen and senators who are willing to amend the constitution.
    • TonyHawks712  •  3 mths ago
      This article, with the title that begins, "Constitution Check:..." is pretty asinine. Check the Constitution and the answer is....NO. Even if a constitutional convention convened and it was agreed to amend the Constitution to include some sort of "People's Veto" it would basically undermine the very document itself, and for no good purpose! If you can get the state legislatures of 38 states to agree to amend the Constitution to stop gay marriage or end abortion then do it! But it would be spectacularly stupid to amend the Constitution so that 50.1% of Americans could override the Supreme Court! By doing that you basically invalidate the entire document. Then 50.1% of Americans could alter the Bill of Rights. But, hey! why stop there? 50.1% of Americans could vote us back into a monarchy. 50.1% of Americans could disband Congress. That entire concept is brimming with danger to the very foundations of our country...
      • Martin 3 mths ago
        Tony,

        If the Constitution is amended using the processes established in the Constitution exactly how is the Constitution undermined?

        The founders knew a time for changes would come, they wanted those changes to be slow , well thought out and deliberate. Amedning the Constitution requires the Consent of Congress by a supermajority before it is sent to the states for ratification which requires a super majority to pass in the state then it requires a super majority of states passing the question before it is ratified as an amendment.

        If it passes through all that then it is part of the constitution and cannot undermine the Constitution.

        If you ask me we don't try to amend the Constitution when we should resulting in numerous activist decisions by courts and failures of the legislature to abide by the provisions of the Constitution.
      • Captain Quirk 3 mths ago
        Martin, you're kind of missing Tony's point. True, if you could amend the Constitution to provide for some kind of "people's veto" then obviously, by definition, it would be part of the Constitution. but as a practical matter, it WOULD undermine the rest of the Constitution.

        By the way, your lack of commas in your last paragraph has rendered it unintelligible. I'm not even sure it's a sentence. Are you advocating amending the Constitution or refraining from doing so?
      • TonyHawks712 3 mths ago
        Martin, actually a constitutional amendment doesn't need to pass through Congress at all. If a super-majority of states call for a constitutional convention, they can make amendments to the Constitution at will, as long as those amendments pass with a super-majority.
    • Bud Fox  •  Jacksonville, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      It doenst sit with my Constitutional beliefs. It reminds me of 2 wollves and a sheep voting on whats for dinnner.
    • Roberto  •  3 mths ago
      This is the last thing we need. One need only read the comment boards on Yahoo to see how many uneducated people there are who truly do not understand the constitution, or the legal system. It is bad enough they are allowed to vote in regular elections. Letting them vote to veto a ruling they don't like would destroy the country.
    • nuevoman  •  Shanghai, China  •  3 mths ago
      This shows the ignorance of this article writer and our current educational system. They don't even know the Constitution of the US and what it directs the course of action is. It is called a CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT!!!!!!
    • Steppenwolfe  •  3 mths ago
      Judges are human and can be dishonest & corrupt just like any other. The people should have the right to veto any court or political decision. Both exsist to serve the people....not themselves.
    • Jim Willoughby  •  3 mths ago
      Wunuvthem, You hit the nail on the head. If the people were able to overturn laws that seem unpopular in the short run, we'd soon have anarchy on our hands. People seem to forget we live in a republic, not a democracy. It is the responsibility of government, including the judiciary, to protect the rights of all. That includes the minority against the tyranny of the majority.
    • legalswashbuckler  •  Colusa, California  •  3 mths ago
      The Constitution has survived based on two crucial points. First, a judiciary free from politics and the bill of rights that has protected the minority from the tyranny of the majority. A so-called "citizen veto" would not only destroy these necessary cornerstones but our society. We would no longer be the United States of America but something entirely different.
    • Tallinheels  •  Palm Springs, California  •  3 mths ago
      It's real easy- let the Yahoo! commentators decide what's right. They seem to think that their word is law anyway, regardless of the facts.
    • USDUSFlag  •  3 mths ago
      In 20 years no one will have a say in what happens anyway...unless there are term limits on the Representatives voted into office, unless laws are set to bring back jobs from over seas, and set limits on corporations benefits for leaving the US...not a darn thing is going to change and only make things worse! I've got another 20 or 30 good years left (I hope)...I won't waste my time worrying about the sky falling or 'who's on first'...few want to take any responsibility...I did my 50 years of responsibility...now I'm free and clean, owe no one a dime...I've usually lived by one rule...'Lead, Follow, or get out of F___n Way'! I don't follow well and I don't stand still long enough to be in the way...No one wants to Lead today...Not The President, Not The Congress, most individuals only look for someone else for leadership...and it is not there! The President doesn't have the right to many of the things that they have done...but everyone reads into the Constitution what the times have changed to fit the reasons. Half of Congress are lawyers...why are the laws so screwed up...that no one knows what the laws are? The Constitution doesn't need to be changed....Congress needs to be changed! The Justice Department needs to be 'adjusted'...to live and judge by the 'times'. The Laws need to revised and upgraded! Those in Congress were Elected to "Lead" the Country and all they have done is fall on their sword. The President was supposed to have hired 'Advisors' to assist in this Leadership...there has been none! By this Administration or the previous one! And, "you are either with US, or against US", is not what I call 'leadership'!
    • Bill  •  Walhalla, North Dakota  •  3 mths ago
      The Supreme Court is setup to save us from the tyranny of the masses. Just because the ruling is unpopular does not mean it is not the right ruling. And when they do get it wrong a future court can change the ruling or the Constitution can be change with a 2/3 vote of the Congress and the Sates.
    • George  •  3 mths ago
      I would think that a group with the name "National Constitution Center" would have more common sense and knowledge of the Constitutional amendment process. They talk like they think that a Supreme Court decision could be overcome with a facebook "friend's" poll.
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