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    The Daily Beast

    Contractors Pitch Spy Tech

    It’s known as IBISS, the acronym for the Integrated Building Interior Surveillance System. Like its name suggests, it can see through the walls of buildings and sketch out images of what’s inside.

    Until this year, IBISS was a classified system, a piece of high-tech wizardry the military used to fight the war on terrorism. The contractor that made the system, Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), couldn’t talk about it in public, but that’s changing. IBISS is one of the new products SAIC is hoping to sell to local police stations and fire departments as the defense contractor explores what is known in the industry as “adjacent markets.”

    Adjacent markets can mean anything from foreign militaries to the Department of Homeland Security for the industry that makes the computer systems, software, remote sensors, radar and ground stations that comprise Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) for the military.

    For the first decade of the war on terrorism, the ISR industry thrived, and companies like SAIC, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin made big profits. Those days are coming to an end though.

    On Monday at the annual industry trade conference known as GEOINT, James Clapper, the director of national intelligence, broke the news to the assembled contractors: “We are all going to have to share in the pain.” Clapper said, as his office submitted billions of dollars in cuts to the Office of Management and Budget over the next 10 years. The overall annual intelligence budget is about $80 billion annually; most of the details of those budgets however are secret.

    Gulu Gambhir, the chief technology officer for the ISR group of SAIC, said he has seen this day coming.

    “At SAIC it is certainly no surprise to us that there are pressures on the budget within our key customer space, and we’ve been preparing for these pressures and a potential downturn in certain parts of our ISR market for some time now,” Gambhir told The Daily Beast on Monday.

    He added, “A number of our influential products have dual-use capability to locations and missions adjacent to our primary overseas ISR mission. One such example is local law enforcement, emergency first responders and border protection.”

    Brad Antle, the president and CEO of Salient Federal Solutions and a former vice president of Lockheed Martin, said, “I think it’s logical to assume your adjacent markets for ISR capability, assuming the federal government won’t let you sell it overseas—and it’s pretty sensitive, so I can’t imagine you are going to get much of that approved for foreign sales—they are going to try to push it down to the state and local governments to see if there is a mission to support.”

    Antle said he didn’t think the states and cities had the budget for much of the technology developed for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. “Maybe some limited cities and states; a city like New York might have some budget to support that, but I can’t see broadly how the customers are going to support customers in ISR.”

    Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union, said he has seen this trend for a while of military technology developed for uses overseas finding their way to local law enforcement.

    “In some ways this is the entire trend we’ve been seeing since 9/11. All kinds of capabilities that were developed with an eye to foreign countries are being turned inward upon the American people,” Stanley said. “We’ve seen this with everything from the NSA to spy satellites even to a lot of the technologies that are moving through what is called the green to blue pipeline, which is to say the military to the police.”

    Gambhir said an example of how his company was marketing this new kind of technology was IBISS, a system that uses “through-the-wall radar technology” similar to cell-phone signals. “It allows you to see into the interior of a building to construct a 3-D model of the walls of the building and even see under circumstances people within the building,” he said.

    Stanley, who is the co-author of a forthcoming study on the deployment of surveillance drones to U.S. cities, said local police would have to be very careful with this kind of technology. “Police need to be careful with IBISS because the Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional to use a thermal imaging technology to peer into someone’s home without a warrant.”

    Others in the industry agreed that the ISR industry was looking to local and state governments. Jason O’Connor, a vice president for engineering at Lockheed Martin’s Information Systems & Global Solutions, said his company’s products that specialize in searching through seas of random data ranging from recorded video to field reports also can be sold to emergency first responders, border-protection agencies, and police departments.

    “We’ve been successful with our traditional customers in the age of near-endless information availability,” O’Connor said. “We find adjacencies like emergency response, border protection, security, to need those same types of services and products.”

    Mark Bigham, a vice president at Raytheon’s Intelligence and Information Systems, said his company, which builds ground stations for satellites and unmanned aerial vehicles, believed it could help companies such as Federal Express develop cargo planes that would not need pilots in the future. He also said his company had proposed a way to reduce 10 percent of the costs of a $1 billion satellite ground-station contract Raytheon won last year.

     
     
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    132 comments

    • Trollbreath  •  7 mths ago
      This is what happens when big business runs government. Your freedoms are exchanged for a sense of security/safety and technology previously strictly controlled makes it into the hands of terrorists and perverts. Do you really think this technology wont make it out of the police departments when it is outside formally classified environments?
      • BTO33 7 mths ago
        Troll.
      • Obadiah James 7 mths ago
        Let me add the fact that if they have it already there is no reason that they might seacretly have it already in the police arsenal. they may be already useing it on U.S. Our leaders have lied so much that its not possable to trust them...
      • servemyown 7 mths ago
        they have had it for over 12 years. This was first brought up in the 80's when the movie "Blue Thunder" came out. People didn't believe it then... and from the looks at some of these messages... some still refuse to believe this stuff is out there.... sad state our nations people have let our government lead us to a One world government, economy and in place soon.
    • John  •  7 mths ago
      Military use? Yes, Police use? No
      • American Citizen 7 mths ago
        John...they have used this military technology under the guise of terrorism via Homeland "Security". It's a moot point the cops have it.
    • Obadiah James  •  7 mths ago
      Companies made their fortunes on the war on terror. Now, they are bringing back what they learned and applying it to U.S., at our expense in taxes, too. Just imagine the implications of a system such as the one in this article. Will they need search warrants anymore? Even though it can maybe save a life in a burning building but just how many will it ruin? Is this the future you want America? Perhaps you cotton well to the idea of the new Department of Homeland Security's Federal Troopers rolling unchecked through the burbs of America with a device that can spy on you in your house? I understand some might want this. Personally, I do not. Even if you are a perfect never-do-anything-questionable citizen who thinks no worries because, I never break a law, does not mean you are safe, either. Think about your children who are bound by human conditioning to test limits and make a few errors along the way. Our homes are private for a reason and we certainly don't want more intrusion by Government!
      • servemyown 7 mths ago
        and for those "perfect never-do-anything-questionable" persons out there. Do you wish to keep your sexual moments with your spouse private...because they will see and watch that too.
    • Scratchnpeck  •  7 mths ago
      I think their goal is to make our country a heaven for George Orwell fans or at least the war-profiteers. It's like setting up the ultimate "1984" Big brother scenario, but for real. Like making our whole country a prison and we're the prisoners.

      I can't help but to feel sickened by the thought of the government or some other self-aggrandized authority looking through the walls of American citizens. Don't think they won't do it. They've done it in other countries and it worked well for them. It's only a matter of time before "it's for our own security" that they will need to use it on us. This needs to be squashed if we want to remain a free people.
      • Think bout it 7 mths ago
        AMEN Brother, and we the sheople will simply let it happen, and we will have paid for it all!
      • A Yahoo! User 7 mths ago
        This is just the beginning. I have some knowledge of what is transpiring. Your comment is spot on.
      • Think bout it 7 mths ago
        Care to elaborate?
    • Ms. FedUp  •  7 mths ago
      Quit calling it the "war on terrorism" it's as moot as the "war on drugs". The public is finally getting wise to what a crock those are. While I can see a very slight use for this in fire departments, and even slighter use for local police, I don't feel either is justified in our society. Our government is beyond out of control. If you weren't required to read Orwell's 1984 in school, highly suggest doing so and comparing what's going on now. Scary times......
      • Obadiah James 7 mths ago
        Thank you. Well Put and Courageously stated.
      • servemyown 7 mths ago
        Orwell just got the year wrong... hope i am dead before this happens....but, alas, I believe I will still be around....doesn't look far off now.
      • Ms. FedUp 7 mths ago
        LOL Obadiah....not sure if I'd call it courageous, just kinda figure some of my comments on here and my facebook page, I'm already on several watch lists anyway....

        Servemyown, I know....my thoughts exactly.
    • a veteran  •  7 mths ago
      The questions will be if this technology will be used against civilians for police to actually do their jobs and what practical use does it have for ordinary cops or will it be used in ways just to collect revenue and is it constitutional to be used against civilians. Local politicians and local police have no business gaining access to such technology. The organized mafia screws with people too much as it is. What's next? Unmanned armed drones flying over our cities with ordinary cops at the controls? This is a really bad idea spurred on by the well running dry for contractors. Enough is enough.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  7 mths ago
      yeah. thats what the police need, more tools to spy on us. they beat us, shoot us(remember my brother marine who was killed by a swat team in arizona, after serving two tours in iraq) now they need more tools to spy and kill us. i dont think so. orwell is truly horrifed, i am.
    • Pronet  •  7 mths ago
      Can see through walls eh? couple that with the recent deterioration of the 4th amendment and you got a full fledged police state now.
    • Fact Finder  •  7 mths ago
      God... that's the last thing cops need.
    • PublicNME  •  7 mths ago
      So now there thinking about spending our hard earned tax money to spy on ourselves,
    • thinkingman1  •  7 mths ago
      I highly doubt our Republic remains. It has systematically been removed and replaced with a police state. Until we fight OUR OWN POLITICAL PARTY, we will continue to have one big demopublican kingdom.

      "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." - THE CONSTITUTION
    • Slim  •  7 mths ago
      this is exactly what we need, another way to infringe on our rights. what is this country coming to when the inept local police can peer into your house. why not just pass a law to make everybody live in glass houses so nothing is private anymore. they monitor phone calls, text messages, emails, gps devices, credit card use, internet use, and now they can look inside a house. and dont tell me they dont do all of that because they do. we live in a free country with no rights anymore.
    • DERF  •  7 mths ago
      same as always/ if you dont work for the government your a criminal or a terrorist/ think of your community as a minimum security prison......
    • None of your Business  •  7 mths ago
      Slowly (or not so slowly) and surely, we're losing our freedoms
    • D  •  7 mths ago
      couple issues...one is a constitutinal issue..giving local police an opportunity to violate 4th amendment search protections.....second issue...with more of our sensitive technology on the street the better chance it will end up overseas in hostile countries hands and used against us....putting corporate profits over the rights and protections of the citizens of the USA is not welcome in my book
    • balance between being ope ...  •  7 mths ago
      The most enslaved are those with the illusion of freedom
    • Pronet  •  7 mths ago
      Unfortunately this may be the only time you hear about it, but rest assured it's in motion and before you know it it's used on an everyday basis against us
    • AdamA  •  7 mths ago
      Ugh... as if local police weren't crooked enough. Most irresponsible force in the world are local American police. Give them those tools, OF COURSE they're going to abuse them.
    • John  •  7 mths ago
      The reason cops still have enough money to buy this stuff is that are pulling over EVERYONE AND THIER BROTHER - fines have gone WAY UP too. Everyone marching on Wall Street should be at the sherrifs office in mass - know what I mean vern?
    • Gary  •  7 mths ago
      With every IBISS sold to use on American citizens, you get a free copy of "How to skirt the Constitution".
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