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    CORRECTED-ANALYSIS-Big funds seek to rein in pay at Wall Street banks

    (Correct's paragraph 30 to fix spelling of names: Nelson

    Peltz's Trian Fund Management)

    * Bank profits have declined much more than executive pay

    * Mutual funds, pensions seek bigger slice of shrinking pie

    * Analysts say times have changed, pay cuts, layoffs needed

    Oct 4 (Reuters) - The days when Wall Street banks could

    blithely hand out half their revenue in compensation to their

    staff without a murmur from shareholders have come to an end.

    In an era of leaner times and tighter regulation, big mutual

    funds and pensions are growing more vocal in pushing executives

    at investment banks to rein in pay and bonuses and consider more

    staff cuts. Investors worry that bank employees are getting too

    big a piece of a shrinking pie, leaving shareholders a much

    smaller slice.

    So far, much of the jousting is taking place behind closed

    doors. But the debate over whether investment banks should keep

    devoting roughly 50 percent of revenue to employee compensation

    is starting to enter the public realm through proxy battles and

    as more large shareholders speak out on the issue.

    "Sometimes executives are being rewarded immensely for just

    sitting in their chairs, just coming into work every day," said

    Aeisha Mastagni, an investment officer at California State

    Teachers' Retirement System, which manages $154 billion in

    assets. "There is a need to conform to truly performance-based

    compensation."

    Wall Street pay was not a big concern to investors when

    investment banks were highly profitable and shareholders were

    reaping benefits too, Mastagni and other investors said. But

    large shareholders are becoming more vocal because earnings no

    longer justify compensation at pre-financial crisis levels.

    Last year, Morgan Stanley executives came under fire during

    some investor meetings, according to one person who attended

    those meetings but was not allowed to discuss them.

    At one meeting, he said, "furious" representatives from

    mutual funds who were among the bank's 10 biggest investors

    sharply questioned executives, including the chief financial

    officer and head of investor relations, asking why Morgan

    Stanley could not cut compensation to about 30 percent of

    revenues.

    Wesley McDade, a spokesperson for Morgan Stanley, which has

    paid out 51 percent of revenue for compensation the past two

    years, did not initially offer a comment on the matter.

    But later on Thursday, Morgan Stanley Chief Executive James

    Gorman told the Financial Times that the bank was planning to

    consider lowering pay and bonuses in its next round of

    cost-cutting.

    "There's way too much capacity and compensation is way too

    high," Gorman was quoted as saying.

    Gorman told the paper that traditionally Wall Street kept

    compensation ratios flat when revenues went up but increased the

    ratio when times were bad, arguing they needed to retain people.

    "That's a classic Wall Street case of 'Heads I win; tails,

    you lose'. The current Wall Street management is a little

    tougher-minded about that and shareholders are certainly

    tougher-minded," he told the paper.

    When asked about Gorman's comments, McDade, the bank

    spokesman, said he did not dispute the Financial Times story.

    Jeff Harte, an equity research analyst at boutique

    investment bank Sandler O'Neill, who often organizes meetings

    between investment bank executives and investors, said

    compensation has been "a theme in management meetings."

    "Investors are saying, 'We're past the crisis; you guys

    still have low returns'," Harte added. "At what point do you

    admit that this is the new normal?"

    Mastagni said some large Wall Street banks, such as Goldman

    Sachs Group Inc and JPMorgan Chase & Co, have

    begun reaching out to shareholders to explain their rationale

    for compensation decisions. She said the outreach is welcome but

    CalSTRS is looking for banks to act more decisively on pay.

    "I'm not sure that we could agree with the fact that 50

    percent of the revenue should be going to the employee base,"

    said Mastagni. "That's just very difficult for us to come to

    grips with."

    With tougher talk from big shareholders, the balance of

    power may be shifting from bank employees who use capital to the

    asset managers who supply it. The longer banks suffer from weak

    earnings, the harder it will be to ignore shareholders on pay.

    Bank executives have been delaying big changes to staff

    levels or compensation for as long as possible, hoping economic

    growth will pick up and trading volume will rise.

    Wall Street banks say they are worried that if they slash

    compensation, top talent may flee for hedge funds and private

    equity firms. If they cut staff, it can be more expensive to add

    workers again when markets improve. Also, layoffs can actually

    boost near-term compensation costs because of severance.

    But investors say the problems keeping profits down may be

    more permanent than banks acknowledge. In addition to the weak

    economy and low trading volumes, new regulations and higher

    capital requirements have cut into returns in fixed income and

    equity trading.

    Trouble in trading is one of the biggest factors behind

    depressed bank earnings. It was a big reason Goldman Sachs

    earned just $4.4 billion last year, a 60 percent decline from

    fiscal 2007.

    Those earnings represented a 6.6 percent return on common

    equity - a measure of how effectively the bank wrings profit

    from its balance sheet by comparing net income to common equity.

    Investment banks have historically aimed for more than 15

    percent.

    "People are starting to get the idea that investment banks

    right now aren't run for the investors - they're run for the

    bankers," said Ralph Cole, a portfolio manager at Ferguson

    Wellman Capital Management, which manages $3.2 billion.

    PRESSURE IS ON

    Compensation is the biggest expense for most investment

    banks, so cutting pay is a logical way to boost returns.

    But for Goldman to have earned a 15 percent return on equity

    last year, it would have had to pay just 15 percent of its

    revenue to employees - far less than the 42 percent it did pay.

    Wall Street executives contend that cutting pay to even 30

    percent of revenue would cause a massive flight of talent and

    evaporate profits, hurting shareholders even more.

    But many investors have little patience with these

    arguments. If employees cannot generate high enough returns for

    their banks, their pay should be cut, multiple hedge fund,

    mutual fund and pension fund investors told Reuters.

    Some shareholders have taken dramatic steps.

    Nelson Pelt z's Tr ia n Fund Management LP acquired a 5 percent

    stake in investment bank Lazard Ltd this year, then

    pushed management to slash compensation, a demand the bank is

    heeding. Lazard has one of Wall Street's highest

    compensation-to-revenues ratios, typically paying employees more

    than 60 percent of revenue.

    Jefferies Inc shares have dropped nearly 12 percent

    since executives were grilled about compensation on an earnings

    call last month. Since 2009, the investment bank has spent a lot

    of money luring bankers and traders from larger rivals with big

    pay packages that are guaranteed for years, making it difficult

    for Jefferies to cut expenses. It paid out almost 60 percent of

    revenue to employees last quarter.

    At Citigroup Inc, shareholders voted against CEO

    Vikram Pandit's pay package at an annual meeting in April. But

    the vote was nonbinding and his compensation did not change.

    Citigroup has been the only big bank to face such a rebuke under

    a new say-on-pay rule.

    Some banks have conceded that times have changed. Deutsche

    Bank AG last month said it was cutting bonuses, axing

    jobs, and spending less of its revenue on pay.

    "The payout ratio, it's got to go down," said the bank's

    co-Chief Executive Anshu Jain about the level of bonuses.

    "Employees must make their contribution."

    (Reporting By Lauren Tara LaCapra and Dan Wilchins; Editing by

    Martin Howell and David Gregorio)

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