Discover Yahoo! With Your Friends

Explore news, videos, and much more based on what your friends are reading and watching. Publish your own activity and retain full control.

To get started, first

YOUR FRIENDS' ACTIVITY

    Could Obama Lose the Way Jimmy Carter Did in the 1980 Election?

    This story comes from the Yahoo! Contributor Network, where individuals publish their unique perspectives on some of the world’s most popular websites.
    Do you have a story to tell? Become a Yahoo! contributor

    The talk among college professors, students and those in the conservative southern community I live in, is that Barack Obama is going to win big, whether one wants it to happen or not. The other day, someone said it could be as big a victory as FDR's overwhelming reelection in 1936.

    I pointed out that Democrats would do well to remember the lessons of the 1980 election. Others in the conversation dismissed such talk. After all, Obama's got a big lead in the polls. According to realclearpolitics.com polls, Obama is opening up big leads in Associated Press polls and even in Rasmussen Tracking surveys, which always favor Republicans. A Franklin & Marshall poll had Obama winning the battleground state of Pennsylvania, even thumping native son Rick Santorum!

    But we have a lot of myths about the 1980 election. According to Will Rogers, the Larry the Cable Guy of the 1930s, said a myth is "what we know, that ain't necessarily so!"

    1980 Election Myth 1: Reagan Always Dominated The 1980 Election.

    Busted: Sure Reagan took 44 states and 489 electoral votes in 1980, compared to 49 for President Jimmy Carter. But Reagan only won 50.7 percent of the vote, while Carter got 41 percent and John B. Anderson picked up the rest. As recently as October 26, a Gallup poll had Carter ahead 47 percent to Reagan's 39 percent. Reagan's comeback was so remarkable that Gallup had seen nothing like it since they began polling in 1936.

    1980 Election Myth 2: Reagan Won With An Awesome Debate Performance.

    Mostly Confirmed: Even as a 10-year-old, I remember the Reagan quips of "There you go again," and Carter's stumbles. Polls clearly showed "The Gipper" winning in Cleveland. And Reagan won the election, right? But even after that superb performance, polls still showed the race was "too close to call." In Ted White's coverage of the 1980 election, even Reagan was stunned by the big margin of victory, and Carter's quick concession call.

    Carter lost his big lead as he refused to a debate with Anderson in Baltimore, so it was up to the Illinois Congressman against Reagan that night (with the latter easily winning). Carter looked bad by not being there in Baltimore. He probably hoped Reagan would stick to his guns and insist that Anderson be there, and wasn't ready for Reagan to agree to the 1:1 debate.

    1980 Election Myth 3: The Economy Cost Jimmy Carter The Election

    Partially Plausible: The U.S. slipped into a recession in January of 1980. But the recession ended in July of 1980, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. If the economy really cost Carter the election, its effects would have hurt Carter in the polls much earlier. Instead, inflation (especially in gas prices) hurt more, especially with the onset of winter. The failure to end the Iranian Hostage Crisis may well have mattered more, since the huge flip to Reagan only occurred in the last week of the election.

    1980 Election Myth 4: Reagan Won The Election More Than Carter Lost It

    Busted: Before 1980, Reagan's electoral successes were somewhat limited. He upset Governor Pat Brown, and won reelection against a very weak opponent. Democrats retook the governor's mansion after Reagan stepped down. Reagan failed in presidential bids in 1968 and 1976, and lost the Iowa Caucuses to the unknown George Bush. We think of Reagan as a big election winner based upon the last week of 1980, and his huge reelection domination in 1984.

    Lessons for Obama in 2012

    Carter's poor debate performance, troubles in Iran, Afghanistan, and high gas prices, and overconfidence did him in. All Obama lacks is that poor debate performance, for now. So Democrats would do well to remember the lessons of the 1980 election, unless they want Obama to have an early retirement party.
     
    • Veto F. Roley  •  Mobile, Alabama  •  3 mths ago
      There are two things that cost Jimmy Carter the election: The Iranian hostage crisis and the economy, particularly in the rust belt.

      The Iranian hostage crisis demonstrated the depths the United States had plunged to since the Vietnam War. There was nothing we could do short of war to force the Iranians to hand over our diplomats. Coming so closely on the heels of our failure in Vietnam, the U.S. pulled its troops out of Indochina in 1972 and North Vietnam forcibly reunited Vietnam in 1975, the hostage crisis reminded us of our lack of power on a daily basis. The image I remember, however, from the hostage crisis was the burned-out hulls of American helicopters sitting on the ground in Iran following the failed hostage rescue. I still recall video of those burned-out hulls -- and the rescue mission was foiled because of OUR mistakes on the ground, not because the mission was repulsed by the Iranian military -- even though I was a high school student when Operation Eagle Claw failed. Despite not making contact with the enemy, our elite Special Forces personnel conducting the operation managed to lose eight dead and four injured and abandoned five helicopters on the ground. For all he accomplished at Camp David and getting Egypt and Israel to sign a peace treaty, Carter could not get over his inept handling of the Iranian hostage crisis. To further punish and humiliate Carter, the Iranians did not release the hostages until Ronald Reagan was sworn in as President. If I remember correctly, the hostages were placed on a plane in Tehran and the plan was not allowed to take off until after Reagan took his oath of office.

      And while the United States suffered a recession in the late 70s/early 80s, the iron-mining and steel-manufacturing areas of the Northeast, Midwest and South suffered a deep depression. Following the destruction of WW2, the US steel industry had very few worldwide competitors. However, the devastation of European and Asian steel manufacturers meant the steel industries were built back in the 1950s and 60s with modern technology and designs. American steel, which survived WW2 intact, made the mistake of not updating its plants and very little changed within American steel mills from WW2 to the 1970s. Our steel mills were inefficient and expensive. European and Japanese steel mills, on the other hand, were efficient and inexpensive. And the bottom dropped out in the late 1970s. Suddenly, it seemed, American steel had fallen out of favor both overseas and in the United States, since foreign steel was so much cheaper.

      In Birmingham, Alabama, the U.S. Steel plant there employed over 20,000 workers in the 1970s. In 1985, no one worked at the plant -- all 20,000 plus employees were laid off. Birmingham experience unemployment rates in the 30 percent range and the city managed to survive only by transforming itself into a financial and health center for Alabama. The Fairfield plant is still in operation, but not nearly to the capacity it was in the 1970s, employing between 4,000 and 5,000 workers -- a quarter of the number employed during its heyday. And this was happening throughout the steel belt. Many steel towns never recovered.

      Unemployment was nearing 10 percent in the country and inflation and interest rates were in the double digits. We may have been out of the book-defined terms of "recession" and "depression", but as then-candidate Ronald Reagan defined the terms in his 1980 Labor Day speech, "A recession is when your neighbor loses his job. A depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his." And this quote got Reagan a lot of votes.
      • Darren 3 mths ago
        Good Job on the post to read.
      • BAMA FAN 3 mths ago
        You are ABSOLUTELY correct. People still blames Carter for the high price of gas. OPEC set the high price of oil per barrel at that time.
      • Robert G. Ingersoll 3 mths ago
        @Veto

        I like your post - and if you recall, President Carter made himself look so very weak by remaining secluded in the White House until the hostage crisis was over.

        This weakness was self-inflicted - by pledging to remain in the White House until the hostages were freed, he became a hostage himself.

        If you recall, that is how the Nightline television show got started. First with a note about the crisis and then as it dragged on, a nightly news show.

        I think that this self-inflicted wound also helped to do him in, too!
    • Ridiculous  •  3 mths ago
      Who cares how he loses, as long as he loses.
      • tommy j 2 mths ago
        i care,, i hope he loses all 57 states lol
    • yubetya!  •  Tampa, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      Carter lost because of his handling of the Iran hostage crisis. I Obama is not careful events in Iran could drive unfavable elections results again.
      • johnathan 3 mths ago
        it all ready has. one to think about, maybe iran is doing this to get a conservivtive in office to get a real person they can feel comfortable talking to. hummmmmmm.
      • ROBERT 3 mths ago
        Carter lost because he was the worst President in the 20th century......19% interest, 19% inflation, Iran hostage crisis, lathargic attitude, stupid social programs. To this day he still goes around the world making a fool of himself!
      • jackie 3 mths ago
        Carter lost because Dear St Ronnie, who was in the early stages of Dementia', had Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rove etc etc running around in the shadows making deals with 'iranian' folks about 'holding on' to the hostages for a bit, so they could hang Carter..
        The Oil Cartel/companies hated him because he put Solar Panels on the WH and that would have only been the start..
        He was a threat to MilitaryCorp and the Oil Lords ... that is why he 'lost'.. ;)
    • 1  •  3 mths ago
      What is with this site and only posting about half of the comments?
      • Stormytiggs 3 mths ago
        You got a thumbs down from Yahoo. Questioning the Overlords is punishable. I hope you've learned your lesson.
      • REDĐŻUM 3 mths ago
        lol
      • GaiaMater 3 mths ago
        and repeating them ad infinitum?
    • SS  •  Sunnyvale, California  •  3 mths ago
      Big lead on Rasmussen?? Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that 28% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -12 obamo's on track to be the first incumbent to lose in ALL FIFTY SEVEN STATES
      • nick 3 mths ago
        The question asked was "has the Obama presidency been a success?" Yes or No. Well, REASONING members of the electorate will note that, no, it has not........but most of the problems have stemmed from a Party of No blocking everything that comes from the president's desk. So the question should be, "do you think Obama has done as good a job as he could have, given the disaster that was left in his hands and a GOP who've been petty whiners since Day One?" I think you'll see your numbers flip if the proper question is asked.
      • J G 3 mths ago
        @nick That would be the party of "know"
        1/3/2007 - GDP@3.5%, Unemployment@4.9%, DOW@12000+
        1/3/2007 - Barney Frank becomes the head of House Finance Committee & Chris Dodd becomes head of Senate Banking Committee. 15 months later the US economy took a dive in the Banking & Finance Sectors... Coincidence? I Think Not!
      • Tim G 3 mths ago
        "most of the problems have stemmed from a Party of No"

        That would be the Democrats;
        NO we won't work with you comprehensively.
        NO we will not take this to the floor for a vote.
        NO you can't read it until you pass it.
        NO you people don't know what you want better than us.
    • MarkSnicks  •  3 mths ago
      I doubt that "hope & change" is going to sell next time around. We're not that naive anymore.
    • VINCENT F JR  •  Memphis, Tennessee  •  3 mths ago
      He's a loser, get over it!
    • Henry IX  •  Kansas City, Missouri  •  3 mths ago
      I voted against Jimmy Carter I twice,how do you think I'll vote against Jimmy Carter II?
    • migomoose  •  3 mths ago
      pray....PRAY....and PRAY SOME MORE.... if he gets re-elected....there will be nothing left of America...
    • Hafway Holmes  •  3 mths ago
      Jimmy Carter won in '76 because Americans were sick of Watergate and lying politicians when along came a soft-spoken southern gentleman who carried a bible and knew about both peanuts and nuclear physics. He lost in '80 because he knew nothing about politics or foreign policy. He spent a lot of time and our tax dollars buying a tentative peace between Israel and Egypt. I personally thought it was chickensheet when he boycotted the Moscow Olympics (yea, that'll teach 'em). America wanted a hero, not a chump.
    • Cellar Singer  •  3 mths ago
      The best hope for Americas future is for Obama to pull a Carter & lose
    • Who?  •  Tampa, Florida  •  3 mths ago
      Its not could he lose, he will lose in Nov.
    • Yahoo  •  3 mths ago
      most college professor remember are socilist democrats so they will lie to make him look good trying to convince you he will win..LOl my town have had meetings and yes even our black folk here will not vote for him..They see through his socilaistic agenda and dont like the devide of the races..as they say we all americans not black white hispanic etc..They are not happy with the illegal immigration you trying to past either..They lost job to H1 visa African men from africa..yes mr professor we know what going on behind closed doors and we the people are out in full force spreding the word..your desperate thats all..
    • Ken  •  3 mths ago
      this is the first pres to throw blame around for everything that is wrong and try and take credit for anything right. and the right wing media is right there to back him up...ie gas prices and how the media blasted Bush when it went up .10 where is the blame to obama ????? we are well over 3.00 now
    • J Olsen  •  3 mths ago
      Obama apoligized to Carter for this article...
    • Mike  •  Glens Falls, New York  •  3 mths ago
      You were a kid back then so what the hell do you know about it? Carter was fired by the citizens of the United States due to total incompetence.

      Just a horrible president, almost as bad as Obama.
    • Kevin  •  3 mths ago
      I now have 5 friends out of work. These are jobs they held for over 10 years and one had his job for 25 years. So tell me there aren't more of you out there who know people who have lost good jobs and can't find one.
    • Doomguard  •  3 mths ago
      Ron Paul 2012! Positive change for America! Prosperity, Peace, Liberty!
    • ROBERT  •  3 mths ago
      Interesting comparasion, Carter & Obama, two of the worst Presidents in American history
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Wallingford, Connecticut  •  3 mths ago
      OBAMA SUKS
    [ [ [['Connery is an experienced stuntman', 2]], 'http://yhoo.it/KeQd0p', '[Slideshow: See photos taken on the way down]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['Connery is an experienced stuntman', 7]], ' http://yhoo.it/KpUoHO', '[Slideshow: Death-defying daredevils]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['know that we have confidence in', 3]], 'http://yhoo.it/LqYjAX ', '[Related: The Secret Service guide to Cartagena]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['We picked up this other dog and', 5]], 'http://yhoo.it/JUSxvi', '[Related: 8 common dog fears, how to calm them]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['accused of running a fake hepatitis B', 5]], 'http://bit.ly/JnoJYN', '[Related: Did WH share raid details with filmmakers?]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['accused of running a fake hepatitis B', 3]], 'http://bit.ly/KoKiqJ', '[Factbox: AQAP, al-Qaeda in Yemen]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have my contacts on or glasses', 3]], 'http://abcn.ws/KTE5AZ', '[Related: Should the murder charge be dropped?]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have made this nation great as Sarah Palin', 5]], 'http://yhoo.it/JD7nlD', '[Related: Bristol Palin reality show debuts June 19]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['have made this nation great as Sarah Palin', 1]], 'http://bit.ly/JRPFRO', '[Related: McCain adviser who vetted Palin weighs in on VP race]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['A JetBlue flight from New York to Las Vegas', 3]], 'http://yhoo.it/GV9zpj', '[Related: View photos of the JetBlue plane in Amarillo]', ' ', '630', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot and killed', 15]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/white-house-stays-out-of-teen-s-killing-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/cv/ip/ap/default/120411/martinzimmermen.jpg', '630', ' ', 'AP', ], [ [['Titanic', 7]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/titanic-anniversary/', ' ', 'http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/b/4e/b4e5ad9f00b5dfeeec2226d53e173569.jpeg', '550', ' ', ' ', ], [ [['He was in shock and still strapped to his seat', 6]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/navy-jet-crashes-in-virginia-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/cv/ip/ap/default/120406/jet_ap.jpg', '630', ' ', 'AP', ], [ [['xxxxxxxxxxxx', 11]], 'http://news.yahoo.com/photos/russian-grannies-win-bid-to-sing-at-eurovision-1331223625-slideshow/', 'Click image to see more photos', 'http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/1/56/156d92f2760dcd3e75bcd649a8b85fcf.jpeg', '500', ' ', 'AP', ] ]
    [ [ [['did not go as far his colleague', 8]], '29438204', '0' ], [ [[' the 28-year-old neighborhood watchman who shot and killed', 4]], '28924649', '0' ], [ [['because I know God protects me', 14], ['Brian Snow was at a nearby credit union', 5]], '28811216', '0' ], [ [['The state news agency RIA-Novosti quoted Rosaviatsiya', 6]], '28805461', '0' ], [ [['measure all but certain to fail in the face of bipartisan', 4]], '28771014', '0' ], [ [['matter what you do in this case', 5]], '28759848', '0' ], [ [['presume laws are constitutional', 7]], '28747556', '0' ], [ [['has destroyed 15 to 25 houses', 7]], '28744868', '0' ], [ [['short answer is yes', 7]], '28746030', '0' ], [ [['opportunity to tell the real story', 7]], '28731764', '0' ], [ [['entirely respectable way to put off the searing constitutional controversy', 7]], '28723797', '0' ], [ [['point of my campaign is that big ideas matter', 9]], '28712293', '0' ], [ [['As the standoff dragged into a second day', 7]], '28687424', '0' ], [ [['French police stepped up the search', 17]], '28667224', '0' ], [ [['Seeking to elevate his candidacy back to a general', 8]], '28660934', '0' ], [ [['The tragic story of Trayvon Martin', 4]], '28647343', '0' ], [ [['Karzai will get a chance soon to express', 8]], '28630306', '0' ], [ [['powerful storms stretching', 8]], '28493546', '0' ], [ [['basic norm that death is private', 6]], '28413590', '0' ], [ [['songwriter also saw a surge in sales for her debut album', 6]], '28413590', '1', 'Watch music videos from Whitney Houston ', 'on Yahoo! Music', 'http://music.yahoo.com' ], [ [['keyword', 99999999999999999999999]], 'videoID', '1', 'overwrite-pre-description', 'overwrite-link-string', 'overwrite-link-url' ] ]
    Loading...
    • The SpaceX Falcon 9 test rocket lifts off from Space Launch Complex 40 at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Cape Canaveral

      CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida (Reuters) - Astronauts aboard the International Space Station opened the hatch and floated inside a Space Exploration Technologies' Dragon capsule on Saturday, the first privately owned spaceship to reach the orbital outpost, NASA said. Running ahead of schedule, station commander Oleg Kononenko …

    • Santa Fe, New Mexico (Reuters) - A blaze raged unchecked for a fourth day in the steep mountains of southwestern New Mexico on Saturday, one of several wildfires that have consumed more than 200 square miles of rugged land in a half-dozen U.S. states. Efforts to contain the blazes spreading in sparsely populated areas of …

    • U.S. Vice President Joe Biden hands a diploma to a cadet at West Point during the graduation ceremony for the class of 2012 in New York

      WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most of the cadets who graduated on Saturday from West Point were in elementary school when hijacked planes hit the World Trade Center and Pentagon on September 11, 2001, and enrolled in the U.S. military academy with wars raging in Iraq and Afghanistan. Vice President Joe Biden lauded the brave choices …

    • NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - Many folks may fret themselves into a frenzy over the November U.S. elections and whether the world will come to an end on December 21, but for about 1,500 people gathered in New Orleans for the United Astrologers Conference, all will be revealed this week. "Some of the world's top astrologers are …

    • Hurricane Bud appoaches landfall in Mexico

      MANZANILLO, Mexico (Reuters) - The remnants of the first hurricane of the 2012 season, Bud, dumped heavy rain along Mexico's coast early on Saturday but caused little damage before it turned back into the Pacific. The storm, which on Friday had threatened to hit land with hurricane-force winds, lost strength as it neared …

     
    Add your ideas and help make it happen. Join the conversation.
    Should Bill and Donna take on more risk to boost their business?
    How Josh's comment on a Remake America video laid the groundwork for something bigger.