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    Court: Calif. can't ban violent video game sales

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Monday refused to let California clamp down on the sale or rental of violent video games to children, saying governments lack authority to "restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed" despite complaints that the popular and fast-changing technology allows the young to simulate acts of brutality.

    On a 7-2 vote, the high court upheld a federal appeals court decision to throw out California's ban on the sale or rental of violent video games to minors. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Sacramento had ruled that the law violated minors' rights under the First Amendment, and the high court agreed.

    "No doubt a state possesses legitimate power to protect children from harm," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion. "But that does not include a free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."

    Video game makers and sellers celebrated their victory, saying the decision puts them on the same legal footing as other forms of entertainment. "There now can be no argument whether video games are entitled to the same protection as books, movies, music, and other expressive entertainment," said Bo Andersen, president and CEO of the Entertainment Merchants Association.

    More than 46 million American households have at least one video-game system, with the industry bringing in at least $18 billion in 2010. The video game industry has its own rating labeling system intended to warn parents, with the rating "M'' placed on games that are considered to be especially violent.

    But at least two justices, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, indicated they would be willing to reconsider his vote throwing out the law, taking issue with the sweep of the court's holding.

    "I would not squelch legislative efforts to deal with what is perceived by some to be a significant and developing social problem," Alito said, suggesting that a narrower state law might be upheld.

    And an unlikely duo, conservative-leaning Clarence Thomas and liberal-leaning Stephen Breyer, agreed that the California video game ban should have been upheld, but for different reasons.

    Breyer said the court's decision creates an insurmountable conflict in the First Amendment, especially considering that justices have upheld bans on the sale of pornography to children.

    "What sense does it make to forbid selling to a 13-year-old boy a magazine with an image of a nude woman, while protecting the sale to that 13-year-old of an interactive video game in which he actively, but virtually, binds and gags the woman, then tortures and kills her?" Breyer said. "What kind of First Amendment would permit the government to protect children by restricting sales of that extremely violent video game only when the woman — bound, gagged, tortured and killed — is also topless."

    And Thomas said the majority read something into the First Amendment that isn't there.

    "The practices and beliefs of the founding generation establish that "the freedom of speech," as originally understood, does not include a right to speak to minors (or a right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents or guardians," Thomas wrote.

    Leland Yee, a child psychologist and California state senator who wrote the video game ban, told The Associated Press Monday that he was reading the dissents in hope of finding a way to reintroduce the law in a way it would be constitutional.

    "It's disappointing the court didn't understand just how violent these games are," Yee told The AP.

    California's 2005 law would have prohibited anyone under 18 from buying or renting games that give players the option of "killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being." Parents would have been able to buy the games for their children, but retailers who sell directly to minors would have faced fines of up to $1,000 for each game sold.

    That means that children would have needed an adult to get games like "Postal 2," the first-person shooter by developer Running With Scissors that features the ability to light unarmed bystanders on fire. It would also apply to the popular "Grand Theft Auto IV," a third-person shoot-'em-up from Rockstar Games that allows gamers to portray carjacking, gun-toting gangsters.

    The California law never took effect. Lower courts have said the law violates minors' constitutional rights, and that California lacked enough evidence to prove that violent games cause physical and psychological harm to minors. Courts in six other states, including Michigan and Illinois, reached similar conclusions, striking down similar bans.

    Unlike depictions of "sexual conduct," Scalia said, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence, pointing out the violence in the original depiction of many popular children's fairy tales like Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.

    Hansel and Gretel kill their captor by baking her in an oven, Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes pecked out by doves and the evil queen in Snow White is forced to wear red hot slippers and dance until she is dead, Scalia said.

    "Certainly the books we give children to read — or read to them when they are younger — contain no shortage of gore," Scalia added.

    And there is no definitive proof that violent video games causes harm to children, or any more harm than another other form of entertainment, he said.

    One doctor "admits that the same effects have been found when children watch cartoons starring Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner or when they play video games like Sonic the Hedgehog that are rated 'E' or even when they 'view a picture of a gun," Scalia said. "Of course, California has (wisely) declined to restrict Saturday morning cartoon, the sale of games rated for young children, or the distribution of pictures of guns."

    The case is Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448.

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    Associated Press Writer Paul Elias contributed to this story.

     

    1,361 comments

    • J C  •  10 mths ago
      Uh, its up to you so-called parents to regulate what your children do!
      • LockNLoad 10 mths ago
        yep...parenting is a direct and full time responsibility - not the states'
      • CarlyB 10 mths ago
        Clearly, you are not a parent. But you are probably a kid! Did you ever get away with anything that your parents didn't know about? Do you really want your parents following you wherever you go?
      • A Yahoo! User 10 mths ago
        CarlyB: Do you really want the State following you wherevever you go?
    • jA  •  10 mths ago
      Who cares what the court decided? The fact is that parents should not be turning their responsibility over to the government. Remove the game consoles from your home and give them a book to read. Problem solved. Better kid.
      • kristy 10 mths ago
        But be careful. The kids might kill you because you took it away from them.
      • Patrick Scott 10 mths ago
        Yep... no books have violence in them.
      • Bruce G 10 mths ago
        ahhh you must be 13
    • Barney  •  10 mths ago
      How did we all survive as kids?
      • Alan 10 mths ago
        We had parents who gave a C*** about parenting and looked after us! They made sure we looking at appropriate TV & Movies, did our homework, etc.
      • Dave W 10 mths ago
        We had real video games, not this blow up 9/11 style everything like they have now
      • 19MCJ50 10 mths ago
        Our parents were in charge.
    • Drew  •  10 mths ago
      But they banned "happy meals"?
      Go California!
      • t t 10 mths ago
        LMAO , silly CA .
      • Randy 10 mths ago
        they should just rename them "unhappy meals" and place them back on the menu.
      • LunchBox 10 mths ago
        California needs to fall into the ocean.
    • me  •  10 mths ago
      After teaching for 42 years I have seen the change in our children's behaviors from respectful to disrespectful, demanding, and needing their way, no matter what! Parents are no longer in control and sadly these behaviors are now acceptable. Parents did guide and set rules for their children but slowly that has changed. The change in parent control is destroying our country slowly, as our children feel that they are entitled to receive all of their wants. Parents, you are the
      ones who decide what your children watch and do! If your kids don't turn out as you want them to, then take a good look at your parenting skills! As a teacher, in the last 10 years I could not discipline a student for inappropriate classroom behaviors without that parent calling the principal's
      office regarding my right to punish disruptive behavior. Results -bullying which is now out of
      control and very little respect for teachers. Our nations children need strong role models!
      ntrol
      • Tom 10 mths ago
        And what sort of role model is the government playing by saying it is ok to sell this stuff to kids? As others have noted, the kids cannot go to R or adult movies, so why can they buy incredibly violent, sexist, terrible games?
        Are we supposed to be looking over their shoulders every second of every day? We are raising kids who do not think for themselves already....
      • First NameNathan 10 mths ago
        This has been happening in every generation. SInce who knows when. Children turn out more disrespectful than their parents, then they grow up and have children of their own, and those kids turn out more disrespectful. First children rebelled by by wearing scandalous poodle skirts and such, and now they rebel by playing violent video games.
      • just saying 10 mths ago
        I totally agree with this comment! Children are out of control. They act like everything in entitled to them. Where did the please and thank you's go!?! I have been working with children for over 10 years now and in 10 years I have seen such a sad change. Also, you are correct in say if you disapline a child in any way you can expect a phone call! When I was growing up you listened to every adult no matter because that is showing respect and you DO NOT disrespect an adult. It is sad to see these kids. I have seen children under 13 screaming at their parent, kicking at them, and spitting.... Just unreal! People need to get off their phones and other technology and get invovled in your child's life. You wanted them. then raise them, dont have your tv's raising your children.
    • commonman  •  10 mths ago
      Parents, STOP relying on a Judge to do your job, im a parent of 2, be responsible for your kids. No laws need to be passed on this, its all about parenting.
    • MMM  •  10 mths ago
      alot of posters are assuming that the children in question actively live with their parent/gardian. How many of these children are living in a house where the parents are missing and/or incapable of making intellegent descisions for their children due to drugs or work schedules? Think of the law as a safety net of lowest common denominator and not as the government dicating what parents should/shouldn't be doing.
    • deroty  •  10 mths ago
      AMERICA: Smart phones, really STUPID people
    • HB  •  10 mths ago
      Kid control -parent's responsibility, not the state's.
      Sure, I'll get a lot of flack with this. All I ask for is sane comments.
    • R  •  10 mths ago
      what a stupid waste of taxpayer money....retailers should not be held responsible for kids playing "violent" video games...PARENTS should be held accountable for their children and their childrens behavior, not the corner video store guy...
    • Michael B  •  10 mths ago
      let's watch more murder and crime and then scream outrage when we see a naked boob.
      America, the country of hypocrites and liars
    • jb  •  10 mths ago
      Though I don't approve of violent video games it's up to me as a parent to guide my kids what they can and can't do. California wants to ban video games but is willing to let illegals rob the state and do as they wish. California is one screwed up state.
    • ben  •  10 mths ago
      What happened to childrens rights belong to their parents until they turn 18? Children actually dont have any rights unless they emancipate themselves from their parents. Look it up. The court is wrong. The decision & rights belong belong to the parents to enforce
    • G  •  10 mths ago
      Yea this is all crap people sayin its on the parents but the parents cant even disapline the kids now because busting thier a$$ is now child abuse. where was that when I was growing up? No wonder this country is so fu cked up
    • PaulW  •  10 mths ago
      Interesting, so does this mean theaters have to let kids in to see R and even X rated movies? Not trying to make a statement with my question, just curious about the implications elsewhere.
    • edward h  •  10 mths ago
      Parents can ban them and turn the TV off. tell your kids to read a book instead then write a book report.
    • Ronin Katana Swords  •  10 mths ago
      California will take away your happy meal, your goldfish, and your video games, but, they won't kick out illegals. Something wrong here? Oh right, goldfish can't vote.
    • a yahoo user  •  10 mths ago
      If they can't ban the sale of video games then how can they ban the sale of other things? Fireworks, BB Guns, Stun guns, many self defense weopons, certain nail polish removers, Pet Ferrets, are just to name a few of the current items banned in the state of California.
    • Nancy  •  10 mths ago
      We don't need anymore government regulations, we parents to start doing there job and let them decide what video games there kids can have.
    • Randall  •  10 mths ago
      Maybe that state can't forbid the sale of violent video games to children, but I can prevent the sale of such games to MY CHILD!
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