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    Court says backers can defend gay marriage measure

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The sponsors of a voter-approved same-sex marriage ban have the authority to defend the measure in court since the governor and attorney general refuse to do so, California's highest court said Thursday in a precedent-setting ruling with consequences for the state's vigorous citizens' initiative process.

    Responding to a question from a federal appeals court considering the constitutionality of the gay marriage ban known as Proposition 8, the California Supreme Court said the lawmaking power granted to citizens under the state constitution doesn't end once propositions have been approved or rejected by voters.

    "It would clearly constitute an abuse of discretion for a court to deny the official proponents of an initiative the opportunity ... to assert the people's and hence the state's interest in the validity of the measure and to appeal a judgment invalidating the measure," the ruling states.

    In the 61-page advisory opinion, the seven justices said denying ballot proposition backers a seat at the table would effectively grant the governor and attorney general veto power over initiatives with which they disagreed, a situation the justices said would undermine the law-making powers California gave voters in 1911.

    "It would exalt form over substance to interpret California law in a manner that would permit these public officials to indirectly achieve such a result by denying the official initiative proponents the authority to step in," the decision states.

    A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals asked the state court in January to clarify who is eligible to fight for voter-approved initiatives in court when state officials opt not to. The panel said the question was unsettled under federal and California law, but central to its deliberations in the ongoing same-sex marriage skirmish because if the backers of 2008's Proposition 8 lacked legal standing, it would have to dismiss the case.

    The coalition of religious and conservative groups that qualified Proposition 8 for the ballot and successfully campaigned for its passage have asked the 9th Circuit to reverse a federal trial judge's ruling in August 2010 striking down the measure as a violation of gay Californians' civil rights. Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Gov. Jerry Brown, in his previous role as state attorney general, took the unusual step of refusing to appeal the decision.

    The appeals court panel now must decide whether to accept the court's guidance and if so, how to apply it to Proposition 8. The state court's word, while expected to carry substantial weight since it involves a state Constitutional matter, is non-binding on the federal court.

    If the 9th Circuit does accept the Supreme Court's interpretation, it would clear the way for the appeals court to analyze the substance of the appeal.

    The ban's supporters on Thursday cheered the likelihood of that happening now that the state court has weighed in.

    "This victory is an enormous boost for Proposition 8 as well as the integrity of the initiative process itself," Protect Marriage General Counsel Andy Pugno said.

    Lawyers for the two gay couples who successfully sued to overturn the ban in the lower court had argued that if the ban's backers did not have the right to appeal, the trial judge's decision would stand and same-sex marriages would be legal in California for the first time since Proposition 8 passed three years ago.

    After the Supreme Court ruling was issued, the couples' lawyers said they still felt confident the ban ultimately would be struck down by the 9th Circuit and possibly reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

    "We are very anxious to move forward on the merits," said former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson, one lawyer for the couples.

    The ruling establishes a state precedent that could be used in other ballot initiative cases the attorney general or governor decline to defend. Instances are rare of state officials refusing to appeal rulings that are adverse to voter-approved laws, but they have come up in California every couple decades or so.

    Civil rights groups criticized the Supreme Court's expansive view of the initiative process, predicting it would put minorities at a political disadvantage.

    "Allowing the Prop 8 proponents to have special rights in court may open the floodgates to wealthy special interests to do the same," said Courage Campaign chairman Rick Jacobs, whose group champions progressive causes in California. "The judges of the 9th Circuit must determine if people who had enough money to buy a ballot measure that calls for people to vote on each other's rights should have special rights in federal court."

    John Matsusaka, president of the Initiative and Referendum Institute at the University of Southern California, said the court's decision was consistent and would benefit initiative sponsors equally, regardless of ideology or fundraising capacity.

    "People have to separate what they feel about Proposition 8 from what they feel about the right of the laws people have approved to have their day in court," Matsusaka said.

    ___

    Associated Press writer Paul Elias and video journalist Haven Daley in San Francisco contributed to this report.

     
    • jackass  •  4 mths ago
      Even dumb animals are smart enough to know that gay aint okay!
    • Diana  •  Irvine, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The Yes on Prop 8 side will win. Marriage is between a man and a woman. The Yes on Prop 8 side can prove that you cannot Marry an AKA!
    • Tom  •  Sunnyvale, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Nothing is the way it is simply because homosexual practitioners say so. Here is a fact: you and your degenerate sexual behavior is in the very low minority the world over and it will never be acceptable to the very high majority the world over--thus you are abnormal, deviant and out of the mainstream--tell yourself whatever it takes to make your self feel that your behavior is acceptable and normal--it's not--the fact is most of society finds the homosexual lifestyle immoral and abhorrent and you are a very low minority in what you do. The fact is that this is the USA and people are free not to think such behavior is normal or acceptable or have it thrown in their face or forced into their life--they don't have to cave in to the PC world--the freedom and guarantees under the law that you and your kind like to quote so much applies to all citizens, not just homosexuals. Get it? Probably not. Too bad, so sad.
    • Tom  •  Sunnyvale, United States  •  5 mths ago
      When the elected officials (governor and attorney general) select what they will and will not prosecute or defend from personal likes and dislikes (which was so apparent here), then the people have a right to take legal action--and the financial situation is not a justification for not doing one's job. And Walker did not give anyone a gift--he is not the arbiter of all justice--the court has decided that the people should be heard and not simply shut down by the will of the governor or attorney general. What law school did you graduate from, Ralph?
    • Tom  •  Sunnyvale, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Marriage is the interest of all society--not just queers. As such, all may and should comment on it.

      Ralph: I and others have an absolute right to discuss queer matters as does anyone else--it's guaranteed by the constitution you so fondly reference--or are you saying that applies to queers alone and that (based on that logic) queers should not comment on non-queer matters and leave that just to normal folks? You can't have it one way based on the law you assert. I and others will comment on queer matters as much as we want to--you can't stop us--we have the same rights you preach about--we will preach the deviancy and sinfulness of homosexual acts as God tells us to. And just because we don't agree with your position does not make us haters or intolerant--free speech is the right of all citizens in America, not just queers. All your name calling does not change that. Being an old queer does not change that. It is what it is and we shall call it as it is.
    • Tom  •  Sunnyvale, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Ralph: so you define the Black-American experience as "crap"--you say race is not an issue regarding civil rights, then you want a sympathetic shoulder for your homosexual agenda. Simply unbelievable and shameful! Your true colors are revealed!

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      Ralph 2 days ago Report Abuse

      Homosexuals have already been designated as a protected class by the Supreme Court in 2010. This crap regarding blacks is irrelevant. Civil rights have go nothing to do with race and every CITIZEN is entitled to civil rights. Protected classes include religion which is most certainly a choice. The government extends rights and benefits to married couples, so the Constitution requires that homosexual couples as citizens are entitled to those same rights and benefits.
      • Ralph 5 mths ago
        You are a liar. I am saying that your bringing up the idea that only blacks have any civil rights is just that: crap. EVERY CITIZEN IS ENTITLED TO EQUAL RIGHTS! Frankly, in California the blacks turned their back on us with respect to Prop 8 so gays owe blacks nothing. Sorry about that, but I supported then in the 1960s in their struggle and they voted against us in 2008.
      • Ralph 5 mths ago
        "Race and gender are not the same as SEXUAL preference. Blacks were discriminated against just for the color of their skin."

        This is what I was replying to. Religion is also choice and preference and is also a protected class. Bringing up blacks is irrelevant in this context and bringing it up is crap. Given that the Supreme Court signified only last year that we are a protected class it will be interesting when Prop 8 gets to the Supreme Court given the legal reasoning in the 136 page decision of Judge Vaughn Walker. Remember also that the attorneys arguing against Prop 8 are a couple of the top Constitutional attorneys in the country: they argued in front of the Supreme Court regarding the Bush 2000 election. If the Supreme Court overturns Prop 8 it will be the end of anti-marriage equality laws in every state. They can regulate marriage, but they must allow those whatever benefits to all citizens.
      • Ralph 5 mths ago
        The amusing thing is the "SEXUAL" is sneered at by the original poster. Such disdain! LOL
    • Tom  •  Sunnyvale, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Yes, I agree. Ralph trolls the boards looking for me. I don't mind though--I stand by the word of God which condemns homosexuals acts--not the individual--as a lifestyle--as He condemns all sin as a lifestyle--one must repent, not make excuses--tell it to Jesus Christ when you see Him--debate with Him if you dare. Ralph claims he has no use for Christianity, yet he obsesses to no end about it--picking fights over it and trying to make excuses as to why Christians should not have freedom of speech but homosexual practitioners should. He is so beyond the pale with his rational and logic. He calls any Christian who will not endorse homosexual acts a bigot, hater, homophobe, etc. He skims over the very fact that the Bible is full of intolerance and punishment for disobedience to the Lord. He likes to focus on Jesus is love--which He is--but He has standards and He is intolerant like His Father--after all, Jesus says no one may come through the Father except through Him (Christ)--that is very intolerant. Homosexual practitioners do not recognize that intolerance and punishment is the act of a loving Father--they simply cannot grasp it. Ralph will support Christianity as long as it is apostate--like that of the so-called "Pastor" Stephens--who corrupts scripture so much and so badly it would be funny if it were not so serious as to the potential for damage of those who follow his Satanic teaching and counsel. Just search Ralph or Stephens and you will see much to tell you their true colors. I ask Jesus to watch over all who might come into contact with their false teachings.
    • That guy  •  6 mths ago
      Homosexuals should be used to losing by now. After all they picked the losing team by siding with their master, Satan.
      • The Magician 5 mths ago
        Prove Satan exists, and then that homosexuals worship him, and then maybe you'll have a valid point. You've got a long road ahead of you, though, since no one has yet been able to prove Satan exists.
      • Ralph 5 mths ago
        If you are referring to this article, it is not much of a loss, That Guy. This same dumb team of attorneys have shown in court that they have no defense of Prop 8. They are even ashamed to have their video performance on view for the public, even though the written transcript is available to the public. What this assures is that this will have a vigorous defense up to the Supreme Court so no one can carp when the Supreme Court rules against it. Remember that when the Supreme Court rules it usually applies to all states. They do not want to hear the same issue 50 times.
    • TR  •  6 mths ago
      Am not surprised. This will take the case all the way up to the Supreme Court.
      • George 6 mths ago
        As permitted by the U.S. Constitution.
      • Will 6 mths ago
        Not sure I see that it is a Federal case. The US Constitution does not deal with marriages, so by default it becomes the States' issue.
      • Justanothercrusader 6 mths ago
        Will: it's already a federal case. As have many marriage cases in the past been federal cases. One of which allowed blacks to marry whites.
    • CC  •  Pleasanton, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Taking this ruling outside of this case- it is a good ruling... Government employees' job is to enforce the laws on the books, regardless of their personal feelings... it is not up to government employees to decide the consitutionality of any issue--- that is the purpose of courts.....
      • Make A Difference In Toda ... 6 mths ago
        The Government won't even enforce "perjury" in court unless you are a celebrity of some kind. Heck, I can't even get Dept of Child Support Services to file contempt because my ex only pays $50 every other month and this has been going on for years! It's all a game and the winner is who has the $$.
      • HOly Moly 6 mths ago
        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
      • michael f 6 mths ago
        @ Holy Moly, the thing that "gay activist" and "advocates" ignore is the fact that gays have the same rights as everyone else, they are not being deprived of "privileges or equal protection". What they want is special consideration or additional rights and to change the definition of marriage. Gay people have the right to marry, in fact I wish they all would, however, marriage is and always will be, despite any ruling from the government, a covenant between one man and one woman PERIOD!!!!
    • K  •  6 mths ago
      The sooner this gets to SCOTUS, the better.
    • Matt  •  Santa Barbara, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Fascinating . . . On the one hand I admire the Court's interpretation of the constitutional rights of the voters vis-a-vis denying government officials the ability to administratively veto an inconvenient or distasteful, but duly voter-elected, law. On the other hand, I question whether this instance is an example of an administrative veto on the governor's and AT's parts. They simply refused to appeal a court decision that concluded that the gay marriage ban was a violation of civil rights. One could argue that they didn't stand in the way of the law; they merely accepted the court's decision without protest. Thus, this latest decision begs the question: has the justice system now become so convoluted and institutionally contentious that no court but the US Supreme Court can make a sound determination of justice or injustice? In other words, are decision appeals inevitably compulsory??
      • Mea Culpa 6 mths ago
        Good post, and is your concluding question rhetorical or an invitation to think. I think the former because that's about where we're at (judicially speaking, e.g. Healthcare Reform Bill) for two decades at least. Keep up the good work.
      • HOly Moly 6 mths ago
        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
    • LuvmyUSA  •  Cicero, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Yes, there ARE good and smart people in CA!
    • Bladernr1001  •  Irvine, United States  •  6 mths ago
      This is what you get when you involve government in everything. The marriage contract is the only kind of contact where government has assumed a level of jurisdiction......what value that adds is dubious to me.

      I vote frop liberty.....and for the government to stay out of my privat affairs. That was the whole idea that our framers had in mind.
    • Point of the Spear  •  6 mths ago
      Some where the words "We the people..." should have an impact.
    • Anonymous  •  6 mths ago
      Although I voted against Prop 8, I have to admit this ruling does make sense. Yeah, in general, citizens should have to defend propositions in court if the state government for better or worse refuses to do so.
    • The Final Word  •  6 mths ago
      This is a litmus test of legislative jurisprudence. Question: does special interest and proposed constitutional challenge usurp majority representative opinion expressed through the voting process? Do you simply enact legislation as determined by outcome and challenge for the next voting opportunity or do you, through passionate self reflection and personal opinion, bend the rules and negate the wishes of the majority constituency? There are standards and protocol which govern and have successfully governed American progressive ideology as well as solidified our morality. The voracity and relentlessness with which this quest ensues threatens the legitimacy of a basic right; the right to vote. No one should have the power to override a public mandate. Challenge, yes. But uphold the wishes of the voting constituency and work on the next voting opportunity. If your goal is true, fair and justifiable it will create its own eventuality. If not, the people have spoken.
    • john  •  Southfield, United States  •  6 mths ago
      It really would be absurd to allow the state not only not to defend the state constitution but tp block others from doing so. This would have been the most arrogant and elite position.
    • Michael  •  Birmingham, United States  •  6 mths ago
      Wow, something resembling common sense and Constitutionaly correct coming out of California!
    • Satan  •  6 mths ago
      All homosexuals will burn in HELL! I don't make the rules, I just enforce them, if you homosexuals have a problem with that, take it up with my adversary, God.
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