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    Culinary school grads claim they were ripped off

    SAN FRANCISCO (AP) โ€” Food enthusiasts have been enrolling in culinary school in growing numbers, lured by dreams of working as gourmet chefs or opening their own restaurants.

    For many graduates, however, those dreams have turned into financial nightmares, as they struggle to pay off hefty student loans and find work in a cutthroat industry known for its long hours and low pay.

    Now, some former students are suing for-profit cooking schools to get their money back, saying they were misled by recruiters about the value of culinary education and their job prospects after graduation.

    "They just oversold it and pushed it. They made misleading statements to lure you in," said Emily Journey, 26, a plaintiff in a class-action lawsuit against San Francisco's California Culinary Academy, part of Career Education Corp.'s chain of 16 Le Cordon Bleu cooking schools.

    Journey, however, may get some of her money back. Under a pending $40 million settlement in state court, Career Education has agreed to offer rebates up to $20,000 to 8,500 students who attended the academy between 2003 and 2008.

    In 2004, Journey was a recent high school graduate, dreaming of opening her own bakery, when she enrolled in a 7-month program in pastry and baking arts at the San Francisco school. Recruiters convinced her it was a worthwhile investment and helped her borrow $30,000 to pay for it.

    After finishing the program, the only job she could find paid $8 an hour to work the night shift at an Oregon bakery โ€” "something anyone could have gotten without a culinary certificate," she said.

    Journey, who now lives in Bakersfield, has abandoned her baker's dream and now plans to attend community college to become a nurse or dietitian. Without the settlement money, she will be paying for that culinary certificate for another 15 years.

    "Was it worth the money and the time to have this loan hanging over my head?" she asked. "Absolutely not."

    Two other Le Cordon Bleu schools โ€” the California School of Culinary Arts in Pasadena and the Western Culinary Institute in Portland โ€” also face lawsuits from former students who say they were duped by deceptive advertising, particularly the schools' job placement rates.

    Schaumburg, Ill.-based Career Education denies its recruiting and marketing practices are illegal, but its schools recently changed their policies to "ensure that students understand that we are not promising any specific job outcomes or salaries," said spokesman Mark Spencer.

    The publicly traded company, which operates more than 90 career colleges worldwide, agreed to settle the San Francisco lawsuits because they were too expensive to litigate and distracting to employees, Spencer said.

    Enrollment at for-profit colleges and trade schools has surged over the past decade, fueled by federal student aid that makes up as much as 90 percent of revenue at many institutions. Profit-driven career colleges are facing heavy criticism for their aggressive recruiting and marketing practices, as well as their graduates' low rates of loan repayment.

    Students who attend for-profit institutions represented 12 percent of all college students in 2009, but 43 percent of those who defaulted on federal student loans, according to a recent report by The Education Trust, an education advocacy group.

    "It's a business predicated on volume, not quality. How many students can you get to sign on the dotted line?" said Jose Cruz, the group's vice president for higher education policy. "It's a debt that takes over their financial life."

    Career Education has capitalized on the growing interest in culinary education, fed by popular television shows such as the Food Network's "Iron Chef," Fox Broadcasting's "Hell's Kitchen" and Bravo's "Top Chef."

    Enrollment at the company's 16 Le Cordon Bleu cooking schools increased from 8,400 in 2008 to 13,100 in 2010, according to Career Education officials.

    Le Cordon Bleu officials defend the value of a culinary education, saying many restaurants, hotels and hospitality companies don't have the time or money to train employees.

    "Culinary arts education today gives people a much-needed foundation they need to be successful," said Edward Leonard, vice president and corporate chef for Le Cordon Bleu Schools in North America.

    School officials point to alumni such as Jill Barton, a 2005 California Culinary Academy graduate who recently opened a crepe shop in Santa Barbara, or Gonzalo del Castillo, a 2007 graduate who co-owns a San Francisco tapas bar.

    The academy's tuition and fees range from $21,000 for a certificate in pastry and baking arts to $43,000 for an associate's degree in culinary arts. Those costs don't include books, supplies, or room and board.

    The school's website says 48 to 100 percent of graduates find work in their field of study or a related field, depending on the program or methodology.

    Critics say many of those jobs don't pay much more than minimum wage and don't require formal culinary education.

    "It is a ridiculous business decision to attend one of these schools," said attorney Ray Gallo, who represents plaintiffs suing the California Culinary Academy. "The whole thing doesn't make economic sense. They know it and they don't tell you."

    In June, the U.S. Department of Education in June issued new regulations aimed at protecting students who attend private career colleges. Under the new rules, a school can only have access to federal student aid if at least 35 percent of its graduates are repaying their loans โ€” or if graduates' annual loan payments don't exceed 12 percent of their earnings.

    Critics say the new rules are a small step in the right direction, but don't go far enough.

    "Unfortunately, it's really a buyer-beware environment for people seeking higher education at culinary schools or other kinds of training programs," said Lauren Asher, who heads the nonprofit Institute for College Access and Success.

    Matt Foist, 46, regrets his decision to borrow $45,000 to attend the California Culinary Academy in 2005, when the Silicon Valley software engineer was looking for a career change.

    "They did a great job of selling it to me," Foist said. "I was kind of tricked into believing that I would become a highly regarded chef in the San Francisco area and that I would make a lot more money than the reality turned out to be."

    After realizing he wouldn't be able to earn enough to cover his student loans, he decided to stick with software engineering. Five years later, he said he's barely made a dent in paying off his culinary school debt, though the settlement money will help if it comes through.

    His advice to people contemplating culinary school: "Don't go. Go to a community college."

     
     
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    • joe  •  8 mths ago
      Another scam market like emerging Churches and internet - Stim packs- ect... Work Hard America and stop being a Frickin Sleestak like 80 % of ya ! USA charity social democratic states of A--h---s !
    • ecm  •  8 mths ago
      I'm not sure how good advice this would be, but maybe as a general rule, if the school's website ends in .com, then for sure it's a for-profit school. Try to choose a school whose website ends in .edu. Even some schools with the .edu might be for-profit, and that's where you might try to do a little homework as to how successful their programs are in helping their students get started on their career.
    • Chris B  •  8 mths ago
      Anthony Bourdain stated it in his book, and I paraphrase, I want people in my kitchen that have worked their way up from washing dishes to line cook. You can keep all the culinary school grads, they are a bunch of diva's that don't know how a kitchen runs.
    • amerimat  •  8 mths ago
      one of the atitude was
      give the students a B ,
      who cares ,
      Student is happy ,
      councelor leave you alone ,
      the Dean is happy ,
      the Ceo is happy the board of director make money ,
      the share holder make money and you get a paycheck
      so give them a B they pass who give a dam what they will be doing after .
      I LEFT .
      And yes it is true they were promised to earn over $100 000 after graduation .
      YAou would not invest #$50 000 if you knew at the end you will be earning double , this is why CEC settled out of court they knew the staff would also speak out and they would loose even more .
      Because Students were used as Employees for profit restaurant every single one of them is entitled to be paid not having to pay . nothingg else but a scam ..
    • amerimat  •  8 mths ago
      Sorry folks the vast majority of the students were defrauded and it started under a Bouffon named Keith Keogh , under his regime the CCA expanded to a point they were not able tio teach any longer , they padded the books and sold it to CEC which then continued the practice .
      2 Points I like to make very clear at a meeting when I objected changing the curriculum to use the studends to prepare and sell high priced food ,
      I was told in no other term we will do it with or without you , when I pointed out the possible conflict with the acreditation commitee I was told we will simply tell them we are changing the curriculum and are enhancing it , and no one ever bother to check.
      The second to highlight the degree of incompetency it took me years to be able to roll over my 401 k , they simply did not want to do it , as a matter of fact the executor of a former Chef instructor tried to collect that fund and the CCA refused .
      If you believe you have been cheated at the CCA you are not alone it is an institution of lies and deception .
    • James  •  8 mths ago
      Whats funny also is she complained about the night shift. This shows she has no experience in the industry at all! Bakers hours are from midnight to 8 am! Why do you think the bakery smell so good in the morning and everything's so fresh? Can't do baked goods like that the day before lol.
      Dumb kid to think they could waltz out of school into a high paying position of responsibility.
    • Gregory  •  8 mths ago
      as a graduate of the CIA, which ain't cheap either, i have always recommended to anyone that asked me for a recommendation to stay away from any US Cordon Bleu schools. they are and have always been a very poor value. price/education ratio is very poor. most people in the culinary field work there because they enjoy cooking, not because it is well paid.
      • James 8 mths ago
        US CB schools are crap. the European annex is the best in the worl though. I am also sorry to say, but the school you graduated from is now know to turn out cafeteria workers. their curriculum and staff have dropped way low. JW is a much better school.
        But any idiot who thinks they can get out of school and vola! Their a chef in high demand, is just that. HIGH!
      • Nicholas 8 mths ago
        I feel it really depends on the student. I went to LCB School in scottsdale, the professors were excellent. I know students who went to CIA, LCB, and various other such schools, and all are doing great. That said Both of you are exactly right, I suggest every person work six months in the industry (in any position) before going to school. Each school gives you a decent - to higher quality education - what hurts the schools, especially LCB is how easy it is for anyone to get in, it devalues the education.
    • Charles S  •  8 mths ago
      Ronald B --" Never Never go to a For profit school " You mean like Princeton University?
    • Sarah L  •  8 mths ago
      OK let's get real now! the problem is not the students. They are ambitious and willing to pay for an education and willing to work. That IS GOOD!--not foolish. The schools are providing a service and are trying to help further normal ambitions. However, the REAL problem is the job market--the slip twixt the cup and the lip as it twere.
      What needs to happen is the STUPID laws that allow the schools to educate students which cannot get jobs in the field once they are done. We need to pass laws that say that the schools must do more to get employment for the students once they have completed their training.--or not educate them--wasting time and money! The problem is the lack of REAL jobs that could lead to a future in whatever field of study one tries to pursue.
      Put the onus of getting the students to work on the schools and make it legal for businesses to contract with a given school to hire their graduates. The best students/grads will succeed and the ones that didn't learn their craft--will fail as it should be.
    • Jeremy  •  8 mths ago
      Colleges, even non-profit state-run ones, operate as very special and secretive business entities. They are some of the most lucrative financial institutions there are. They're in business for themselves and the faculty basically teach to keep themselves employed. Practical job skills aren't necessarily the only goal for going to college but they should have more importance. Most of the graduates from the graduate school I attended can't get jobs in their field, but the school is increasing enrollment this fall by hundreds more students under the guise of "helping to retrain people" or some other nonsense. They're helping themselves because they get more state money for each enrolled student, plus all those tuition dollars. And the schools either don't want to know or downplay the miserable career prospects of their graduates. I can imagine the empty promises they're making to those new students.
    • Crazycat  •  8 mths ago
      For any people considering attending a for-profit school that might be reading this, please remember that in this very depressed/recessed economy unemployment is still very high. To "invest" in an education that cannot promise you a career (and none of these places will although they'll come as close as legally possible) is a waste of time and money. The fact that you attend a school doesn't increase your odds of landing a job-they are still hard to get no matter what sort of training (or lack thereof) you possess or acquire.
    • William  •  8 mths ago
      dfdfsfdsfdsf
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      Did any of these people ever actually work in a restaurant prior to enrolling in some pricey school!!??? If they had they would know what I and thousands of others who have, restaurant work is hard with low pay. That's not saying it can't be rewarding for some.
      • amerimat 8 mths ago
        I agree restaurant work is hard , low paid , not so sure as in 1984 -85 I turned down 2 jobs at over $ 150 000 , plus , plus plus .....it did take time .
    • Crazycat  •  8 mths ago
      This educational "industry" not only preys upon younger people or poor people, but also upon workers who have lost jobs due to layoff's in their former industries who are hoping to change careers (and these are seasoned workplace "veterans"). The latter group is now the largest enrolled for the last couple of years as the economy continues to decline. For-profit schools are just what they say they are: For Profit and few, if any, are really interested in providing quality instruction at a fair price while offering their students job placement assistance after the fact. These "schools" are raking in a ton of money at the expense of well-intentioned, tax paying people and they should be shut down until they can adhere to their implied promises to all who pay through the nose for what amounts to an 8th grade education. No one should be punished for trying to make themselves better-not by the schools who prey upon them or even by the uneducated readers of this column whose comments imply that these students somehow deserved what they got-that's just juvenile and completely ignorant..
    • gemstoneprincess  •  8 mths ago
      You know it is not just culinary arts. I know a friend who was told of all this money he would earn if he became a truck driver. He works a month with no day off, some weeks he only makes about $500.00 because freight is so slow, but he still has to buy food and supplies on the road, showers, phone and internet so he can pay his bills, get routing, things like that, plus he is still paying his house payment and for his lawn to be mowed while away. They give him barely 4 days off after a month of working 24 hours a day, and you may be sleeping at times, but are entirely responsible for that truck and trailer. He has to deal with prostitutes and thugs. They so falsely represented what it is to be a truck driver to him. He was going to take welding and regrets whole heartedly, because he has lost his sence of community and belonging. His fiancee ditched him cuz he was never around, and he can not afford to quit because of the loans. There is so much scamming going on. The government should have more control of how these things are marketed, because they are the one putting the money out their for the students. If a school is over charging for classes, do not give it an accredited rating. The cost to repay a loan should not be more than a few percent than your net income. they should do an average study of what graduating students are actually making and price it accordingly, or no accreditation. People have needs due to the shifting economies and to be ripped off at such a high cost is akin to murder. They should be charged and fined to fullest extint of the law for misrepresenting reality.
      • malfie 8 mths ago
        On the other hand, my friend became a truck driver several years ago, was able to get rid of his apartment and most of his belongings because he lived out of the truck, and paid off all of his outstanding debt. He did eventually buy a house in a less expensive part of the US where he has friends who rent from him and help look after the place while he is on the road. He deals with some shady characters and dangerous situations from time to time but that's part of the territory. He loves his work and has never regretted his choice.
      • Elizabeth 8 mths ago
        There are many. I attended Everest, and it is another scam! I know many students that are still not working 1 to 2 years later! And the loans are a rip off too!
    • h2o4ever  •  8 mths ago
      My question is, did Emily Journey (described in article) get anything out of the time she spent at the culinary school? Just because the entry level job only pays $8/hr doesn't mean that it the upper limit of what she could earn as a veteran baker. Nobody is going to pay big bucks for a kid right out of school. You have to prove that you are worth it.
    • Franco Nero  •  8 mths ago
      $30.000 dollars???? Are you kidding me??? You can buy a cook book for $5 bucks and teach yourself how to cook.
    • christine with A c  •  8 mths ago
      wow 7 months and i know it all lol serves you right greedy girl.
    • mindstar3000  •  8 mths ago
      I wonder if you'd have fewer problems like this if Uncle Sam wasn't providing 90% of the loans. The more student aid available the more tuition will increase to suck up that aid. Further, cooking is back breaking work with very long hours. Anyone who thinks other wise is clueless.
      • wellcraftedtoo 8 mths ago
        This makes some sense. After putting not one but two kids through college, I am convinced that nothing will stop the continual rise of tuition and fees other than students (and their families) simply refusing to pay them. With loans easy to obtain and families that can foot the bills, there is absolutely no incentive on the institutions to run themselves like well-managed businesses, and cut their costs!

        This is true for state-run, public schools, private colleges and universities, and private, for-profit 'trade schools' like these cooking schools.
    • Solitaire  •  8 mths ago
      If they really want a free education, join the Navy. After basic cooking school, they have several C schools that teach bakery arts, desserts, etc. etc. as sub fields. It's free and you get a GI Bill that you could use for further education when you got out.

      The Captain on one of the ships I was on had his own cook and one of the cooks was a graduate from the bakery and pastry school. When he came on board, our lives changed. Instead of dried up bread, we had fresh bread baked every night and pastries to die for. He made them because they gave him something to do while the bread baked. He was great.
      • Crazycat 8 mths ago
        Nowhere in the article did it say any of the students wanted a free education or a "free ride" for that matter as you are almost implying-they were willing to pay to learn a specific trade and as anyone that makes a major investment financial investment in themselves they deserve to have received the training, education, job placement assistance, etc. that was promised to them-express or implied. Although you make a good point about joining the military some folks in their late '30's or early '40's can't go that route...
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