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    Debate presents crucial GOP test

    For the 2012 Republican hopefuls, Wednesday night is the first Fall Classic.

    Eight candidates are slated to take the stage at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., for the POLITICO/NBC News debate — the first face-off as the campaign kicks into high gear.

    It’s also the first debate that will include Texas Gov. Rick Perry, the new front-runner who has shaken up the slow-forming presidential contest and shifted the landscape for Mitt Romney, who’d been sitting atop the field for months.

    Five things to watch for as the candidates take the stage:

    1) Does Perry stumble or survive?

    Assuming the Texas wildfires don’t keep Perry at home, he will be the most-scrutinized candidate at the debate. The state’s longest-serving chief executive has had all the momentum heading into tonight’s event, his first televised national vetting.

    “All eyes will be on Rick Perry, as he has become ‘Mr. August,’” said veteran GOP strategist Scott Reed, who was on Haley Barbour’s team earlier this year before the Mississippi governor opted against running.

    Perry has debated before, albeit not frequently and, according to Texas-based politicos, with mixed levels of success. But an enduring question for Republican elites who are looking for a winner and are disenchanted with Romney has remained: “Can Rick Perry take a punch in a boxing ring he’s unaccustomed to?”

    The potential for a gaffe is ripe. Perry could get a range of questions, from his whiff-of-violence comment about Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to his “Ponzi scheme” rhetoric about Social Security, to his states-rights manifesto “Fed Up!” which was published just last year.

    Working in Perry’s favor? It’s a multicandidate debate, and the bar for Perry has been set pretty low, given the conventional wisdom that he’s not the Great Debator and questions about his basic smarts. He may be able to stick to his playbook from past debates — memorize a message and repeat it, repeat it, repeat it.

    Working against him? The rest of the candidates have met onstage at least once before to learn each other’s rhythms.

    Some Republicans argue privately that Perry should ignore his rivals and focus his attention on President Barack Obama. But given his aggressiveness on the stump against Romney and his record, it could be risky to hold back — even in the House of Reagan, whose famous 11th Commandment prohibited attacking fellow Republicans.

    2) Will Romney go after Perry by name?

    In the two debates he’s done so far, Romney has almost disappeared — happily — while the other candidates duked it out. Much of the summer was a Michele Bachmann-Tim Pawlenty grudge match, and that consumed the Ames debate last month.

    The only time a candidate ever came close to directly taking on Romney was in New Hampshire in June, when Pawlenty declined to repeat a swing about “Obamneycare” he’d telegraphed days earlier. Romney escaped unscathed — and with the bar raised for other attacks on him.

    But those were gentler times for Romney, who has been struggling to be seen as able to join the fight with both fists.

    Even with Perry eclipsing him since getting into the race, Romney’s been making only veiled, passive-aggressive hits that could apply to a range of different candidates.

    Romney will have to get a bit more aggressive than his “I’m a conservative businessman, not a politician” pitch, without seeming forced — or flailing. Romney has experience pushing back at opponents in debates — he got used to candidates ganging up on him in the 2007 debates — but he often came off as angry, not forceful.

    “Both Romney and Perry have to strike a balance,” said Dan Schnur, director of the University of Southern California’s Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics. “Romney has to take on Perry without seeming desperate. Perry has to be in control without seeming anesthetized. Of the two, Perry’s got the easier job.”

    3) Can Bachmann break through?

    There is no denying that Michele Bachmann’s been struggling.

    Thwarted by Perry’s entrance on the same day she was hoping for a momentum surge with her Ames Straw Poll win just three weeks ago, Bachmann’s been searching for her footing — and enough altitude to keep the race from becoming a fixed, two-man contest. Though she’s disposed of Pawlenty, Bachmann heads into the debate with questions lingering about shifts in her top campaign structure this week.

    She needs a breakout moment, but sources in her campaign insist she will not be swinging at Perry.

    “The plan is and always will be to tout her message and not attack the others,” said one source. “That being said — just like with Pawlenty — if someone is going to tell lies about her record, she will tell the truth about theirs.”

    4) Will Jon Huntsman bring his “truth telling” from the Sunday talk shows to his opponents?

    Huntsman survived his first debate at Ames despite visible discomfort and no breakthrough line or moment of engagement with another candidate. He needs to do more than that here.

    Since Ames — and since a POLITICO report about a campaign rife with infighting, second-guessing, profligate spending and minimal fundraising — Huntsman has refashioned himself as an open critic of his party, taking the shots himself that his campaign strategist John Weaver had until recently been taking on his behalf.

    If he doesn’t bring the same criticisms of the party — and of specific candidates, like Romney — while he’s there with his rivals, he risks a Pawlenty-type whiff. If he doesn’t engage, he will look wimpy. If he does, the whole “civility” approach he talked about at his kickoff will be firmly put to rest — along with, potentially, his ability to galvanize support in a future race.

    5) Can Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum and Herman Cain prove that they’re relevant?

    Gingrich was the critics’ pick thanks to his anti-media rant at the previous debate, but the praise did him little good in actual poll movement. Santorum also had a good moment in the Ames face-off, when he criticized Ron Paul as, essentially, too extreme. And Cain’s benefited from his own rhetorical success on stage, particularly at the campaign’s first debate.

    But all three remain mired in the third tier. Can any of them do anything onstage to persuade an early-state voter to give them a shot over Perry, Romney or Bachmann?

    Other than using Paul — who is likely, as he has been doing with gusto, to complain about the lack of mainstream media coverage he receives — as a foil, each one needs to show a flash of something presidential, or at least serious on policy, to get consideration from voters going forward.

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    • Cross  •  8 mths ago
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    • bon_iccal  •  8 mths ago
      Reporter: So, Senator Republican, what will be your plans as President?
      Senator Republican: My plan will be to stop the Democrats.
      Reporter: Okay, what will be your plans for the environment?
      Senator Republican: My plan will be to stop whatever the Democrats are doing.
      Reporter: What will be your plans for the economy?
      Senator Republican: My plan will be to stop whatever the Democrats support.
      Reporter: Wow, okay, what will your foreign policy be?
      Senator Republican: My policy will be to oppose what the Democrats support.
      Reporter: So, what exactly about the Democratic Party do you oppose?
      Senator Republican: I have no idea, but I am opposed to it!
      • komh 8 mths ago
        Reporter : So, who do you want to follow?
        Senator Republican : I will follow Allah.
    • Jim  •  8 mths ago
      Michelle Bachmann just dreams stuff up. The average price for gas when President Obama took office was around $2.80, not $1.79 as she said in last night's debate. Just look at that woman's eyes. She is "way out there".
      • Chris 8 mths ago
        She's just a big government neocon who believes in price controls and a command economy. Nothing more, nothing less.
    • Leeflee  •  8 mths ago
      I don't understand why any Republican, Libertarian, Independant or Tea Party candidate would ever want to let that duffis from Politico and Brian Williams ask them such stupid questions. The only good moment in that debate was when Gingrich jumped their shit.
      • Jim 8 mths ago
        Yes, FOX softball questions would have been better.
    • yeswecan't  •  8 mths ago
      really
    • yeswecan't  •  8 mths ago
      really
    • Miss BTW  •  8 mths ago
      In case anyone read my previous comment- Michelle B. made a huge mistake about gasoline costing 1.79 a gallon the day Mr. Obama took office. I researched the issue and I found out that in California gas in March 2008 (before he was electec) was 3.20 a gallon. The average was $2.73, but that is covering all of USA, so she is wrong. However, I do wish she could do something about the price
    • jim  •  8 mths ago
      watching the debat. side note. the tea party is not really a political party, just a bunch of repubs democr and independents all with the same ideas. i believe the debate is doing well for the most part. do feel msnbc has centered the bulk of this on three canidates. which is unfair on the other four. newt, rick, ron, herman and jon have good ideas and should have more oppurtunity to express them to us.
    • Megamind  •  8 mths ago
      Rick Perry, during a commercial break following his exchange with Ron Paul, actually went over, physically grabbed Mr. Paul by the wrist and wagged his finger in his face as he went off on some retaliatory verbal diatribe. Check the exchange. Perry is a loose cannon and had best play civil next time. His shot at the presidency is already over.
      • Anonymous 8 mths ago
        Stick a fork in him. He's done. I'm relieved that the world now has irrefutable proof of the true colors of Rick Perry.
      • Joe 8 mths ago
        Vote Libertarian!
        Ron Paul 2012!
    • Filipp  •  8 mths ago
      it's because you knuckleheads DO ignore Ron Paul! Just look at the poll results! And who sorts the results this way?
      • Joe 8 mths ago
        Vote Libertarian!
        Ron Paul 2012!
    • M Z  •  8 mths ago
      The Mainstream Media does a great dis service to this nation
    • M Z  •  8 mths ago
      The Mainstream Media = Fail
    • The Written Word  •  8 mths ago
      I don't know what the Republicans are unhappy about. There's; War, Pestilence, many poor people, a divided Nation, poor school system, third rate health care, if any, for the poor, uh, well a Black President. They should be in Hog Heaven..But no.

      We have Governor "Good Hair" Perry, Ms "Not so bad herself" Bachmann, Romney's in third,with, Larry Moe, and Curly, hard at it. Perhaps we can expect "Half Term" Governor Palin to give us a Tweet, or update us on F_Book, at the last moment, announcing something relevant.

      Wow, American politics. What fun.
    • M Z  •  8 mths ago
      Ron Paul RON PAUL RON PAUL RRRON PAUL what about RON PAUL!
    • GeorgeT  •  8 mths ago
      I guess that didn't like my 1st. comments and deleted them. Seems like all of Ron Paul's opponents are sarting to pick up what he has been saying for years, Ron Paul has the only record that you can check for over 30 years without him waviering a bit. I would imagine that if you checked out the other canidates and Barrack Oama you could fill your newspapers with all kinds of trash keep hidden from the public.
      Go Ron Paul and God Bless You
    • GeorgeT  •  8 mths ago
      It's simply amazing how you can try to ignore Ron Paul. Do you actually think that the American public aren't going ot notice that the media is completely controlled.
      Ron Paul is smart, honest, honorable and very best canidate in this race. I don't think that you can keep him from winning this primary and he will go on to beat your stooge's like Obama and Bush etc.
    • Texan  •  8 mths ago
      Perry is in Texas today!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  8 mths ago
      Tax the rich - feed the poor - aint life funny - bee's make honey. I look into this world & I dont know what to do - so I leave it up to you.
    • Ian  •  8 mths ago
      Are you sick of Freedom? Do you hate the Constitution? Do you believe that the solution to America's problems are more wars in the Middle East? Then vote for any candidate except Ron Paul and you will not be disappointed. We promise. - A message from the Department of Establishment Security, a privately-owned, Tax-payer funded subsidiary of Lib/Con Scams, LLC.
    • buy American  •  8 mths ago
      Someone earlier said that Patriotism has nothing to do with outsourcing jobs.
      What happened to the notion that America is for the people.
      The American employees made corporation what they are now, they would have not suceeded if they did not have loyal and skilled employees.
      Now corporations are abandoning these employees so they can make big bucks for their share holders.
      Employees were loyal to the employers what happeded to employers being loyal to their employees.
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