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    Debt is to Surplus as Democrat is to Republican

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    COMMENTARY | While President Barack Obama's idea of a "balanced approach" to solving the debt ceiling crisis is to raise the debt limit and make the evil rich people pay even more taxes to support his increasing spending habits, Senate Republicans prefer a different approach. It's called "Cut, Cap and Balance." Cut spending, Cap the spending limit and Balance the existing budget.

    While all 47 Senate Republicans support the idea of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, no Democrat has endorsed it. So, who has the right idea, Democrats or Republicans? The easiest way to determine whose plan works is to look at the existing results of their practical application in the real world.

    At least a dozen states ended fiscal 2011 with surpluses.

    Indiana's Gov. Mitch Daniels reported one of the largest, with an extra $1.2 billion in its accounts. Maine, under the leadership of Gov. Paul LePage, finished the year with a near $50 million surplus. Ohio Gov. John Kasich, faced an $8 billion deficit when he took office in January, but "We wiped it out. We eliminated it," he said on "Meet the Press."

    Then there is South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. Her budget approach has caused an odd problem for her state. It is having a terrible time trying to figure out how to spend a $210 million surplus .

    What do all of these governors have in common? They are all Republicans, implementing in their respective states the same approach that Republican representatives in Congress want to impose on the federal government. Conversely, states like California, ($24.5 billion in debt ) and Illinois (4.7 billion in debt) that are run by Democrats, continue to struggle with increasing budget deficits.

    After 70 years of Democrat budget destruction, Rhode Island ($427 million in debt) has elected an independent to the office of governor.

    Illinois, under the incompetent leadership of Democrat Gov. Pat Quinn, has raised the state income tax by 66 percent. Illinois has a deficit of $4.7 billion -- well, if you add in the total of outstanding debt, pension and OPEB UAAL's, unemployment trust funds and the previous 2010 budget gap the real state debt is $120,743,173,392. But who's counting, right? According to Quinn, throwing more tax fuel on the debt fire is necessary because Illinois's "fiscal house was burning."

    Like Obama and Quinn, former Democrat Gov. Bob Miller wanted to raise taxes in Nevada to balance his out-of-control spending habits. Because Miller left the state with the highest unemployment rate, highest number of bankruptcies and foreclosures and a budget deficit that stood at 54 percent of the total state budget, Nevada is now under new management.

    New Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval has proposed to reduce the current budget to $5.8 billion for the next two years to bring it back down to 2007-2008 levels. Democrats, who caused the massive state debt in the first place, have countered with a proposal of close to $7 billion, but which isn't even funded, which would -- as any child with basic math skills could tell you -- increase the debt again.

    Still, in spite of the all of the mathematical evidence to the contrary, Obama insists, "You can't reduce the deficit to the levels that it needs to be reduced without having some revenue in the mix."

    "What Washington needs isn't more revenue but a spending straightjacket," Christian Science Monitor reported Mitch McConnell, D-Ky., saying on the Senate floor. "Senators can talk all day long about the importance of balancing the books and living within our means. A vote in favor of the Balanced Budget Amendment will show that they mean it. A vote against it will show that they don't."

    "We don't need a balanced budget amendment," Obama insisted. Of course, what he meant to say was, "We don't want a balanced budget amendment because that would just be another thing in the negative charter we call the Constitution that tells me what I can't do to -- I mean, for Americans."

    You said it yourself, Mr. President. This isn't "rocket science." It's called basic math; simple, grade-school level addition and subtraction. This plus that equals something else. Debt plus more debt equal -- more debt.

    See Spot run? Run Spot run!

    Against popular belief, "Great minds" do not always "think alike." In fact, agreement -- simply because it's easier -- isn't greatness it's cowardice. "Minds," in order to be "great," simply need to think. So when it comes to proving which political party has the better plan on how to solve the debt problem, look at the states who have balanced budgets and surpluses. Look past the rhetoric and the emotion. Look at the numbers.

    Just as one should never take early retirement advice from someone who is still working, never take fiscal advice from those with a budget deficit.

    In the end, unlike politicians, math doesn't lie.

     

    102 comments

    • TheHunt4RedNovember  •  10 mths ago
      A challenge to the liberals.... Name one state run by Democrats that has a balanced budget, let alone a surplus.
      • Michael 10 mths ago
        New York
      • Michael 10 mths ago
        FACE
      • TheHunt4RedNovember 10 mths ago
        New York actually has about a $9 billion dollar deficit, which Mayor Cuomo ( very wisely) has begun to address with an "emergency" budget cutting plan that includes a wage freeze for state employees, a state spending cap, the consolidation of state agencies charged with regulating Wall Street, and a cap on property taxes. While it has yet to be fully implemented he did exercise one telling decision... he refuses to raise taxes on New Yorkers to balance the budget. Obama should take notes.
    • Texas Truth  •  10 mths ago
      Truth is, we have spent ten years at War without increasing taxes to pay for them. That's the Republican plan to balance the budget? As we say in Texas, if it looks like #$%$ and smells like #$%$, you probably don't want to step in it.
      • Joseph 10 mths ago
        War has abeen pretty bipartsian. Also, this has nothing to do with the article.
      • Joseph 10 mths ago
        been*
      • CHL3334 10 mths ago
        Actually it does, since the premise is that Republicans are fiscally sound and Democrats aren't. Yet the last Republican President was given a budget surplus and left 8 years later with 10 trillion in debt. Only 4.5 trillion is Obama's. Let's see that's 1.25 trillion a year for Bush and 1.5 for Obama. So there is 250 billion a year difference from the two, and Obama is still having to pay for 2 wars that he didn't start. So I'd have to say its a wash between Dems and Reps at best. NEITHER is worried about the debt or America, ONLY keeping themselves in power.
    • Robert I  •  10 mths ago
      It would seem that since 1970, we have run a deficit every year with the exception of 1999 and 2000. Since the majority of the Republican leadership has been in office for more than 10 years, I believe they have considerable ownership of deficits.
      • Fun Always 10 mths ago
        1970 was the year welfare checks doubled and public housing grew by 112% and have never stopped growing. you putz.
      • Schmidt 10 mths ago
        We didn't have a balanced budget in 99 or 00. All those years were deferred payments so as to make the books look pretty for a bit. Do, look up the actual expenditures at many sites throughout the web detailing income verses expenditures on a yearly basis. I would start with the US budget office.
    • "Get a life."  •  10 mths ago
      If this balanced budget amendment is such a good idea, why didn't Republicans seek it when they controlled the senate, the house, and the White House?
      • TheHunt4RedNovember 10 mths ago
        Because we weren't 14 trillion dollars in debt with lengthy record unemployment and half of the nations population receiving entitlement benefits at taxpayer expense?................... I'm just guessing.
      • Thorium Power 10 mths ago
        Because there has never been a CONSERVATIVE Congress and CONSERVATIVE President at the same time. Everyone since Reagan has been PROGRESSIVES. Republican progressives and Democrat progressives. All of them try to buy votes.
      • Think Outside the Box 10 mths ago
        Because Republicans support big business and wealthy people, the average underinformed person assumes that they know the best way to spend money even if it actually adds to the deficit and debt. Add in a healthy dose of fake patriotism and false Christianity and you have almost half of the electorate already locked up. Perma gridlock until average people understand better how things actually work.
    • Gus  •  10 mths ago
      increasing spending habits? You mean the 4 trillion in cuts he proposed? Or do you mean the bailouts Bush started?
      • Gus 10 mths ago
        dude you seriously need to find a fact checker, good lord. The best one is " half of the U.S. population relies on entitlement programs" Is that so? Does that include farm, gas, and other corporate subsidies? Or just the unemployed people on welfare whose jobs were sent to China by the "job creators"?
      • Jesus 10 mths ago
        Yo! TheHunt4RedSnapper
        You apparently forgot about Bushs' Iraq war, I guess you figured If republicans didn't need to find WMDs why should your boys need to find funding.
        Careful your Superior Conservative Character is showing.
    • Craig  •  10 mths ago
      The real question is about timing. The time to address this problem was when the economy was doing better and we had a surplus. Instead of trying to address it we just decided the rich needed to get richer. Thats what outrages a lot of people in this country. That we have to wait until a democrat is in office to try and address this problem.
    • richardt  •  10 mths ago
      Lest we forget, it was the Republicans that turned the national surplus into a deficit and deregulated us into the financial crisis that still plagues us today. The Republicans have a very convenient way of ignoring facts in order to cater to the wealthy, the banks, the insurance companies, the pharmaceutical companies, and the oil companies.
    • fireballtp  •  10 mths ago
      Not exactly a truthful article here. I live in Iowa. Last year we had a Dem legislator and a Dem Gov.. They were responsible for the fiscal year that just ended. We were told about the "tax/spend" libs were evil. Too many drank the Kool-Aid.. They were voted out.
      Of course the truth was something else entirely. We were in good fiscal shape.... and ended year in surplus.

      Over the last few months Our "new" governor Terry Braindead has suggested lowering property tax for BUSINESSES while also raising taxes on gasoline.

      Wow. We get what we vote for... we get what we deserve.
    • diplomat  •  10 mths ago
      You left out Texas. A broke state led by republican rick perry. The state was 28 billion in the red and cut 10% of its teachers as well as 10% of state employees. This is after cutting 10% each year for the last two years. Schools are charging kids to ride the bus, play sports and band, and cutting courses. Summer schools are going or gone.
    • Dhalgren  •  10 mths ago
      Any good economist will also point out that comparing state debt to federal debt is just silly. Debts truly hurt states. They force states to cut services. But the Federal budget is almost designed to run deficits. And let's not forget that under Reagan, the national debt increased from $900 Million to nearly $3 Trillion. The last administration to balance the budget was Clinton's.
    • margaret  •  10 mths ago
      Perhaps you should consider this facts: Reagan increased the deficit by 199% and raised the debt ceiling 18 times, George H Bush increased deficit by 48% and raised debt ceiling 9 to,es. George W. Bush increased the deficit by 90% and raised debt ceiling 7 times. In contrast Carter raised the deficit by 59% and raised the defebt ceiling 9 times, Clinton raised the deficit by 44% and the debt ceiling 4 times, thus far Obama has raised the deficit by 26% and raised the debt ceiling 3 times. I think the facts contradict your statement.
    • Judge W.P.Beaureguard  •  10 mths ago
      Clinton had a surplus because he stole from the social security fund just like every president since democrat lyndon Johnson, who started the raiding of the S.S. trust fund. NAFTA is a democrat idea - destroyed jobs. Sending jobs to China under Clinton was a good idea? Destroyed jobs. Democrats are great - for other countries economies.
    • No Name  •  10 mths ago
      California had a $20B+ shortfall under the Republican Governator that just left office after serving two full terms. It also has a balance budget requirement in it's state constitution, which doesn't appear to be having the pancea like effects the author of this very biased article claim for it.

      I have no problem with reading reasonable conservative analysis of some of these difficult issues, but this author is either stupid or very biased. No, actually, make that stupid and very biased, because even if biased she should be able to come up with better arguments than these and not use examples that actually go against her thesis.
    • Tim  •  10 mths ago
      I'm a conservative. But why does Yahoo allow "contributor" articles at all? What a total hack job. There are plenty of social liberals who are also fiscal conservatives, among both parties. Please don't tell me I'm a Republican because I'm a fiscal conservative. Total Hogwash!
    • axeman  •  10 mths ago
      Somebody needs to inform this author that the republican leadership in the white house has been the worst for our debt. Most of our debt is due to Reagan and Bush. I guess you can blame Obama for an economic collapse that started before he was in office, but that'd be stupid. No respectable economist would suggest that the federal government should have cut spending during the great recession. We'd be eating our leather shoes.
    • Joe  •  10 mths ago
      The facts show Republicans are to deficits as Democrats are to balanced budgets. Bill Clinton = budget surplus George Bush = 4 trillion deficit. That's the facts which is probably what drives conservatives crazy.
    • justforfacebook20101  •  10 mths ago
      Can we say biased.. The fact that you had to go find Governors to get your point across because the Republicans who have been in charge in Washington the last 20 over 30 years, tripled and then doubled the national debt... Republicans raised the debt ceiling 18 times by Reagan in 8 years, 9 time by Bush Sr, in 4 years, and 7 time by Bush Jr in 8 years.... Compared to Clinton who raised it 4 times in 8 years and Obama who has raised it 0 times tells the fact that it is the Republicans who cannot control themselves when it comes to spending... Matter of fact Clinton had us in the black with a surplus when he left office... So everyone really needs to read this bill very carefully as we all know without an increase in revenue, reducing spending doesn't mean a whole lot of beans when a Republican is in office...
    • Greg  •  10 mths ago
      Patricia,what you have pointed out makes sense,but a balanced budget amendment would most probably be used to gut social security payments for future retirees. I would be all for the amendment if it weren't used for this purpose (period). It's been my observation that the Rep. will use any means to take- away and add to the defense budget and and tax breaks for their buddies>the military industrial complex etc. Nuff Said For Now-....
    • Edward  •  10 mths ago
      Then there is South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. Her budget approach has caused an odd problem for her state. It is having a terrible time trying to figure out how to spend a $210 million surplus . try giving it back to the democratic states that gave it to you like NY and California
      Subtotal, Farming Subsidies in South Carolina, 2010
      Subsidy Recipients 1 to 20 of 6,892

      Recipients of Subtotal, Farming Subsidies from farms in South Carolina totaled $45,833,000 in in 2010.
    • theprogressofhumanityisli ...  •  10 mths ago
      Just a shill, taking a snapshot from recent elections, when there has been very little time to have any effect on those economies. In addition the red states (generally red) have always been takers for the last 50+ years. When Northern Unions were broken the non union red states got many of those jobs and despite cheaply paying those workers down there the big industrial corporations found that uneducated types can't do the work regardless of how little they are paid. Then those jobs were exported -- permanently (at least for a long time) along with dollars from reduced taxes on the wealthy. The rich aren't necessarily evil but in an economic sense they are generally parasitical.
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