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    Default could 'sink the whole boat'

    The warnings are apocalyptic. “Armageddon,” President Barack Obama intones. “Catastrophic,” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner insists. “Calamitous,” Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke admonishes.

    But suppose — just suppose — the unthinkable happens: Despite all the talk of deals — small, medium or large — and of clever ways to pass the political buck, Congress and Obama can’t agree on legislation to raise the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling before the U.S. government’s credit line runs out around Aug. 2.

    A few prominent Republicans, such as Minnesota Republican Rep. Michele Bachmann, a presidential candidate, say nothing much would happen and blast the administration for its “scare tactics.”

    But financial experts say hitting the debt ceiling or coming really close to it would destabilize the markets and the economy. Just how dire the consequences would be is difficult to predict, but many Americans could feel the impact almost immediately.

    Stock markets are almost certain to drop sharply. Some analysts say interest rates for Treasury bills and private borrowing would rise abruptly. Others say the flight to safety might actually make investors dump stocks and buy Treasury securities in the short term.

    The first major hurdle comes on Aug. 3, when the U.S. government is scheduled to pay $23 billion in benefits to Social Security recipients. Only $12 billion in revenue is expected that day, leaving the Treasury $11 billion short — and $20 billion in the red when other scheduled payments for that day are taken into account.

    Obama said in an interview with CBS News last week that he couldn’t guarantee Social Security payments will go out, a statement that could send retirees and disability recipients into a panic.

    “I’d say it’s at risk,” said Jay Powell, a former senior Treasury Department official now with the Bipartisan Policy Center. “The president’s statement is correct on its face. He said he can’t guarantee those payments will be made. Even if you pay nothing other than interest, you can’t guarantee it.”

    The next D-day is Aug. 15, when Treasury owes $29 billion in interest but will already have missed $54 billion in scheduled payments if the debt ceiling hasn’t been extended.

    “I believe Treasury will always make sure, before all other government spending, [it has] enough cash to pay the interest on the bonds. That has to be the highest priority,” Powell said. “If we default on interest payments, we can sink the whole boat.”

    “If there is a strong view that the bond interest payment won’t be made, and congressional leaders say they are nowhere near passing an increase in the debt limit, then you would start to see the basic underpinnings of the financial system come undone,” said a senior strategist at one of Wall Street’s largest banks, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the political sensitivity of the issue.

    Analysts and former government officials said they expect Treasury to hoard all the cash it can to avoid a default. Doing that would mean slashing all other government expenses by 44 percent, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis.

    There are various options for choosing who would get government payments — none of them good.

    “With 30 million or more Social Security recipients, if you could protect them some way, you would do so, but that’s going to require some very godlike distinctions between those folks and people drawing veterans’ benefits and those drawing [federal employee] retirement benefits,” said Gerald Murphy, a 20-year veteran of the Treasury Department who served as fiscal assistant secretary during the last major showdown over the debt ceiling in 1995and 1996. “You probably wouldn’t even be able to pay that entire population.”

    Members of Congress have already introduced legislation to make military paychecks a priority if the debt ceiling is reached. Holding back either the modest salaries paid to the military or monthly payments to retirees would spur major hardship and public outrage.

    The feds might decide to slow or stop payments to hospitals and doctors. California is already bracing for such a scenario by taking out a $5 billion line of credit. Defense contractors and other government vendors would be an obvious target for delayed payments. But they’re legally entitled to interest if they are paid late.

    In an interview Sunday, Office of Management and Budget Director Jack Lew repeatedly refused to say whose payments would get priority in the event of a cash shortfall. “It’s unacceptable for the United States to be in a place whether it’s Social Security recipients, or a soldier or somebody who is just owed money by the government [who] can’t be paid because we have not done our job,” Lew told CNN.

    Some experts doubt that it’s even possible for the government to prioritize payments in a logical way.

    “To try and centrally stop payment or adopt a policy of paying 10 cents on the dollar, it’s virtually impossible,” Murphy said. “The Defense Department has [its] own disbursing offices. There is no one person who can push the button and turn it off.”

    One major debt rating agency, Standard & Poor’s, warned last week that even a few missed vendor payments could lead to a downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Some big money-market funds that can only hold the safest investments might be forced to sell U.S. bonds if they are no longer AAA.

    But many such funds require a AAA rating on bonds from just one agency, not all three, or allow a AA rating. So, many analysts say, a single agency’s downgrade would likely cause only marginal disruption.

    “The first rule of capital markets is that they discount the future. The apocalypse only happens when you don’t expect it,” said James G. Rickards, senior managing director for market intelligence at Omnis Inc. “The things you expect are discounted to some extent and therefore are non-apocalyptic.”

    “This does not mean there will not be volatility and disruption — there will be,” Rickards added. “But the system will muddle through, and the markets will still be standing. As long as [bond payments] are made, markets don’t care if the cash flow shortage comes out of the checks to school lunches or veterans — harsh but true.”

    Former officials said one possible scenario is that by design or because of a lack of control, Treasury might punt much of the politically unpalatable decisionmaking to the Federal Reserve Board. Then, the Fed would have to prioritize or simply refuse to do so.

    A Fed spokeswoman had no comment on how the agency would deal with government accounts running dry.

    “They would honor what came in until they couldn’t honor any more,” Murphy surmised. “Presumably, they’d kick back or put on hold anything else.”

    Another wild card is the $470 billion in Treasury bonds and bills scheduled to mature in August. Typically, Treasury borrows more money to replace the maturing debt with little to no net impact on the debt ceiling.

    However, in the turmoil that could surround a near-default, borrowing costs could increase sharply and require more scarce cash. It’s even possible, though unlikely, that uncertainty could lead to a lack of buyers for U.S. treasuries and produce an even greater cash shortfall.

    On Friday, Treasury announced it had taken the last of its stopgap measures to avert reaching the debt ceiling: suspending the practice of buying U.S. government securities with roughly $23 billion in funds used to counter sharp charges in currency exchange rates. The money will be available for that purpose, it will just sit in cash.

    Still, Treasury concedes it has not done everything possible to stave off a default or even a cash shortfall. For instance, the U.S. owns $11 billion in gold — $6.2 billion of it in Fort Knox — according to a Treasury report last month. But Geithner hasn’t ordered the sale of any of it and doesn’t plan to.

    “This is not a viable option,” Geithner wrote in an April 4 letter to congressional leaders. “To attempt a ‘fire sale’ of financial assets in an effort to buy time for Congress to act would be damaging to financial markets and the economy and would undermine confidence in the United States. … Selling the nation’s gold, for example, would undercut confidence in the United States both here and abroad.”

    Anything that the market regards as a true default could cripple the struggling U.S. economy for years to come, experts said.

    A serious and extended debt ceiling breach could lead big U.S. bond investors such as China to demand higher interest rates, which would in turn mean higher borrowing rates for businesses and consumers.

    That would inevitably lead to slower economic growth, fewer jobs, higher mortgage rates and perhaps a prolonged double-dip recession — or even a depression.

    The long-term damage of even a slight increase in interest rates could be enormous. It could cause a 1 percent increase in interest rates that economists said could shave nearly 1 percent off economic growth and cost 800,000 jobs every year.

    Obama warned of potential rate increases during his news conference Friday, characterizing them as tax increases for all Americans.

    “This is not just some abstract issue,” he said.

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    2,625 comments

    • *67  •  10 mths ago
      If not raising the debt ceiling could " sink the whole boat " why didn't the Main Stream Media not hammer Democrats who voted in unison AGAINST raising it in 2006? For that matter why didn't they ask candidate Barrack Obama why he voted against it or why he said it would be " irresponsible " to raise the debt ceiling? They should ask him why he didn't care about Seniors getting their Social Security and Medicare checks or soldiers getting their pay then but now all of a sudden it's a big deal????
    • LifeWriter  •  10 mths ago
      One thing that's been carefully left out in all the articles I've read thus far is the option to cut the salaries of our elected officials. If we have to sacrifice the tiny paychecks with which we can even now barely live on, then why are they entitled to keep their huge paychecks which they can go without?
    • Mrs. Streeter  •  10 mths ago
      The Democratic, Republican Liberal-Progressive's Worst Nightmare:

      I am a White, Conservative, Tax-Paying, American Veteran, Gun Owning Biker. That's me!
      I am a Master Mason. I work hard and long hours with my hands to earn a living.
      I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others..
      I ride Harley Davidson Motorcycles, and drive American-made cars, and I believe in American products and buy them whenever I can.
      I believe the money I make belongs to me and not some liberal governmental functionary,
      Democratic or Republican, that wants to share it with others who don't work!

      I'm in touch with my feelings and I like it that way!
      I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer; it makes you a smart American.
      I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and does not entitle you to
      anything. Get over it!
      I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac or any other item, you should do it in English.
      I believe there should be no other language option.
      I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

      My heroes are Malcolm Forbes, Bill Gates, John Wayne, Babe Ruth, Roy Rogers, and Willie G. Davidson, who makes the awesome Harley Davidson Motorcycles.
      I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor.
      I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

      I've never owned a slave, nor was I a slave. I haven't burned any witches or been persecuted
      by the Turks, and neither have you!
      I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and
      change your own country!

      This is AMERICA ...We like it the way it is and more so the way it was ...so stop trying to
      change it to look like Russia or China , or some other socialist country!
      If you were born here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the White House, the seat of our biggest problems.

      I want to know which church is it, exactly, where the Reverend Jesse Jackson preaches,
      where he gets his money, and why he is always part of the problem and not the solution?
      Can I get an AMEN on that one?

      I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of
      what color you are, but not just because you happen to ride a bike.
      And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driver's license. I think it's good....
      And I'm proud that 'God' is written on my money....

      I think if you are too stupid to know how a ballot works, I don't want you deciding who
      should be running the most powerful nation in the world for the next four years.

      I dislike those people standing in the intersections trying to sell me stuff or trying to guilt me
      into making 'donations' to their cause.... Get a job and do your part to support yourself and
      your family!

      I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child, it takes two parents....
      I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!
      I believe the American flag should be the only one allowed in AMERICA !

      If this makes me a BAD American, then yes, I'm a BAD American.
      If you are a BAD American too, please forward this to everyone you know...
      We want our country back!

      MY Country..... I hope this offends all illegal aliens.
      My great, great, great, great grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in the Revolution & the War of 1812.
      My great, great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Mexican American War.
      My great, great grandfather watched as his friends & brothers died in the Civil War.
      My great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Spanish-American War.
      My grandfather watched as his friends died in WW I.
      My father watched as his friends died in WW II.
      I watched as my friends died in Vietnam , Panama & Desert Storm.
      My son watched & bled as his friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq .
      • bigbadjaxer 10 mths ago
        run for office, we need people like you representing americans
      • A Yahoo! User 10 mths ago
        and you bang your sister....good for you Bubba....how's the sale at KMart today?
      • Michael 10 mths ago
        Without a doubt, the MOST intelligent post EVER submitted on this site!!!!!
    • foolmonti  •  10 mths ago
      Raising the Social Security tax from it's present salary ceiling of $106,000 annually by even a couple of percentage points would go a long way toward alleviating this crisis. But Tea Party Rethuglicans would rather torpedo Social Security and Medicare regardless of the consequences, because they view these institutions as "socialistic" and see this as a golden opportunity to end both programs as we know them.Tell that to Grandma and Grandpa when they realize everything they've paid into for their retirement for fifty years is being diverted toward preserving tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires.
    • jeff  •  10 mths ago
      Anyone learning anything from this recent lesson? Anyone still trust a big, tax-heavy nanny state to look after them & solve their problems? Still wanna keep feeding it?
      • independent 10 mths ago
        If my goal was to bankrupt the system so I can later point to capitalsim as evil, then yes, I totally want to feed it way more! Liberals are the culprit in 90 percent of the problems in this country.
    • Alex  •  10 mths ago
      If a congressman trips and falls down the stairs of the Capitol, breaks his neck and becomes a cripple, guess who pays for their care the rest of their lives? Hypocrites!
      • Is What It Is 10 mths ago
        If it stops them from spending, then let them fall down the stairs. It will be cheaper to have them in hospital than on capital hill.
    • *67  •  10 mths ago
      OK, here's the deal about the debt ceiling. Unless Obama and Democrats admit that they ALL voted against raising the debt ceiling and were willing to screw the American people for ONLY political reasons and the Main Stream Media is willing to admit that they didn't make the same fear mongering big deal in 2006 as they are now because of their political bias, then I say SCREW their claims that we must raise the debt ceiling THIS TIME. It's obviously nothing but politics. After All, Obama himself said:

      " The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. "
    • SquawCraw  •  10 mths ago
      Every time a Republican claims to be a "fiscal conservative" a bunny rabbit is skinned alive! Seriously, the claim of the GOP that it is the party of "fiscal conservatives" is just as disgusting (and wrong) as the image that popped into your mind when you read the first sentence.
      Here is what the "fiscal conservatism" of the GOP has brought us in the last thirty years:

      Reagan almost tripled the National debt from less than $900 Billion to just under $3 Trillion (And you can't blame the Dem congress in power for most of Reagan's Presidency for any excesses in spending, though that is almost always put forth in Ronnie's defense. In fact, after Reagan left office, the House Appropriations Committee did a study that compared all of Reagan's proposed budgets (which, it turned out, were based on wildly optimistic economic projections that one of his own advisers later called the "Rosy Scenario") to what Congress actually passed. That study found that Reagan asked for $29.4 billion MORE than Congress ended up giving him.), HWBush added 50% in just four years, Clinton added $1.65 T (though, to be fair/honest, 75% of that went to paying the interest on the ND racked up by Reagan and Bush I) and then WBush took a $5.9T ND and doubled it to $11.9+T in eight years. Simple facts.
      1) From 1978-2005 spending under Democratic President's increased an average of 9.9% per year. In that same time period, Republican President's raised spending an average of 12.2%/year.
      2) ND per capita (i.e. how much every American "owes" on the ND) in 1980 was $4,094 which was 53% of Per Capita Income . By 1988 those number rose to $10,979 and 84%. Bush I, 1992: $16,379 (increase of $4,400 in FOUR years) and 110%. Clinton, 2000: $20,067 (increase of $3,700 in EIGHT years, including a DECREASE from $21.182 in 1999 to the 2000 level of $20,067) and 90%. W: $35,153 (increase of $14,000 or 70% in 8 yrs) and 130%.
      3) In the twenty years that Reagan and the two Bushes were in power they increased federal spending TWENTY times.
      4) From the end of WWII through the end of W's second term, the only President's NOT to decrease the ND as a % of GDP were, you guessed it, Reagan and the two Bushes (and Ford).
      5) W raised the debt limit in 7 or the 8 years he was in office (and it would have been 8 of 8 if Clinton hadn't left him a surplus in his first year).
      6) If W's tax cuts just for the wealthy are left in place until 2015 (ten years after they were enacted) the final cost will be just over $1.1T (and, additionally, will have reduced net revenues by $200B).
      7) Prior to Reagan's election, his "Supply Side" economic philosophy was considered extreme by his own party and was sharply criticized by both Nixon and Bush I (who called it "Voodoo Economics" before he converted to the new Republican religion).
      8)If he hadn't had to pay the interest on Reagan/Bush I's $3.4T debt, Clinton would have almost finished paying off the $1T of debt left from WWII by the end of his second term. Furthermore, without those same interest payment, W would have racked up "only" $3.8T in deficits instead of the $6.1 he ended up sticking Obama (and, by extension, the American people) with.
      • Adam 10 mths ago
        Excellent post
      • Sirius_Payne 10 mths ago
        it figures that you would think that was a good post adam
        you are both idiots
      • Adam 10 mths ago
        Sirius these are facts and when facts are posted it is an excellent post. Democrats tax and spend it is true. That means they take American money and invest it in America. Republicans Borrow and spend which means that they take someone elses money and invest it in America leaving a huge Debt behind them.
        IE Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2
    • yankee123  •  10 mths ago
      Where is Obama's plan to reduce spending and the deficit? Where is the Democratic
      party plan? Like the old adage goes: "Put up or shut up".
      • DocZom 10 mths ago
        Spending bills originate in the House. Another Con Law scholar on the right, huh?
    • independent  •  10 mths ago
      Obama said in 2006 that a raise in the debt ceiling was a sign of a failed leader.

      WOW! He is a failure.

      Hey lefty, how's that hope and changey thing doing?

      Where's the transparency?

      THOUGHT SO!
    • Argle  •  10 mths ago
      Not all Conservatives want us to default.....

      But all those who want us to default are Conservative...
    • Spartan  •  10 mths ago
      Anyone worth over $10 million should pay an immediate 30% tax on net wealth. I say tax the rich... they've been paying accountants and lawyers for years to skirt tax laws.
    • *67  •  10 mths ago
      Obama said:

      " The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. "

      Debate over. Everyone vote NO, just like our President did in 2006. After all America deserves better.
    • Cathy  •  10 mths ago
      Liberal media hacks. I'm so sick of the scare tactics. Just like when they wanted the stimulus, they did the same thing. Like the stimulus did anything.
    • Real1  •  10 mths ago
      Wait a second....I failed to see where any of the congressmen or any other person in DC is going to not get paid.....shows that this all scare tactic to force something through and create public outcry!! Bunch of hogwash!
    • Zob Rombie  •  10 mths ago
      Did you pay your taxes Timmy? You're sinking the boat!
    • a cat  •  10 mths ago
      The R's only care about the rich and would rather destroy the entire economy then make them pay a dime more in tax.
    • BrianR  •  10 mths ago
      It didn't seem like that big of a deal a few years back when Senator Obama voted against
      raising it.
    • dan  •  10 mths ago
      the usa is dying from a million little cuts!!--default is sooner or later,it will happen!!---only way to stop the wars!!!
    • Marco  •  10 mths ago
      The only way to keep these idiots in Congress from spending too much is through Constitutional Amendments:

      1. The Congress shall pass no law collecting any federal fees, taxes, or other revenue.
      2. The States shall collect a national Point of Sale Sales tax at 8% on all goods and services that they shall then provide to the federal government.
      3. The Congress must provide a balanced budget prior to the end of the current budget. Failure to do this will force the current balanced budget to automatically renew. Balancing the budget through chicanery is an act of Treason and punishable by death.
      4. The Congress and the President shall enjoy no benefits that the general public does not also enjoy. All previously approved retirement perks and medical insurance are hereby canceled.
      5. The Congress shall pass no unfunded requirements to the States. Any laws pass by Congress that must be implemented by the sates shall be funded from the sales taxes collected by the States and provided to Congress for it's operations.

      This puts the power back into the States hands like our forefathers intended. It blocks these yahoos from spending monies they don't have. It forces them to fix Social Security and Medicare as they are now a part of it. Then only thing missing is some controls on the FED.
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