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    Divide over when to use in-depth cholesterol tests

    WASHINGTON (AP) — For heart health, you're supposed to know your numbers: Total cholesterol, the bad LDL kind and the good HDL kind. But your next checkup might add a new number to the mix.

    More doctors are going beyond standard cholesterol counts, using another test to take a closer look at the bad fats — a count of particles that carry LDL through the blood.

    Cardiologists are divided over the usefulness of that approach. Proponents contend it might help them spot at-risk patients that regular checks might miss, or get more information about how aggressively to treat them.

    But so far, guidelines from major heart organizations don't recommend these extra tests. They're pricier than regular cholesterol exams, although Medicare and many other insurers pay for them. And it's not always clear what the results mean.

    "I see a lot of people being confused," says Dr. Nieca Goldberg of New York University Langone Medical Center and the American Heart Association. Especially when they're used on lower-risk people, "you don't know how to make sense of the information."

    Yet up to half of patients diagnosed with heart disease apparently had normal levels of LDL cholesterol, and some doctors say particle testing might help find some of them sooner.

    "For most people, the standard lipid profile is fine," says Dr. Michael Davidson of the University of Chicago. But "I get referred people who said, 'My cholesterol was fine, why do I have heart disease?' We're showing them, well, because your particle number's sky high and they were not aware that was a problem."

    Davidson chaired a committee of the National Lipid Association which this month called the extra tests reasonable to assess which at-risk patients might need to start or intensify cholesterol treatment. That committee's meeting was paid for by a grant from eight pharmaceutical companies, including some makers of particle tests.

    Cholesterol isn't the only factor behind heart disease. High blood pressure, smoking, obesity, diabetes or a strong family history of the disease can put someone in the high-risk category even if their cholesterol isn't a red flag. Some doctors also are testing for inflammation in arteries that may play a role, too.

    On the cholesterol front, doctors have long focused on three key numbers:

    —Total cholesterol should be below 200.

    —An LDL or "bad" cholesterol level below 130 is good for healthy people, but someone with heart disease or diabetes should aim for under 100.

    —For HDL, the "good" cholesterol that helps control the bad kind, higher numbers are better — 60 is protective while below 40 is a risk.

    Where do particles come in? Scientists have long known that small, dense LDL particles sneak into the artery wall to build up and narrow blood vessels more easily than larger, fluffier particles. While overall LDL levels usually correlate with the amount of particles in blood, they don't always, just as a beach bucket of sand may weigh the same as a bucket of pebbles but contain more particles.

    Only in recent years have commercial tests made particle checks more feasible — although there's no standard method, and different tests measure in different ways. The tests add another $100 to $150 to regular cholesterol checks.

    But is knowing about your particles really useful, and if so when? That's where doctors are split.

    A study published last spring used one particle test, from Raleigh, N.C.-based LipoScience, to analyze a database of more than 5,000 middle-aged people whose heart health was tracked for five years. Most people's overall LDL and particle counts correlated pretty well. But people had a higher risk of heart disease when their particle count was much higher than their LDL predicted — and, conversely, a lower risk if their particle count was lower than expected, says lead researcher Dr. David Goff Jr. of Wake Forest University.

    "We could be treating some people who don't need to be treated ... and we may be missing some people who should be treated," Goff says. "But I'd also say that we haven't done all the research that needs to be done to prove that this will lead to better patient outcomes."

    Many of those higher-risk patients could be caught by a closer look at standard tests "for no additional charge," says Dr. Roger Blumenthal of Johns Hopkins University and the American College of Cardiology.

    Triglycerides, another harmful fat, are a good indicator, Blumenthal says. You're at risk despite a low LDL if your triglycerides are over 130, not to mention a low HDL, he said. People who are obese, diabetic of borderline diabetic also are at greater risk, because they often have higher LDL particle counts.

    Another way to measure without an added test: Just subtract HDL from your total cholesterol number. The resulting bad-fat total should be no higher than 30 points above your recommended LDL level — and if they are, it's time for serious diet and exercise, adds Dr. Allen Taylor of Washington Hospital Center.

    Still, even some doctors who don't think particle testing is for the masses say they use it sometimes to tip the scales on a borderline patient.

    Others use it to guide therapy. Consider Denny Fongheiser of Santa Monica, Calif. At 52, his usual 3-mile-a-day walk suddenly left him panting, but his insurer wouldn't pay for a stress test because his cholesterol was normal.

    A month later, chest pain sent Fongheiser to the hospital where he needed a stent to unclog an artery. It turned out he had high particle levels, which his cardiologist now aims to get below the LipoScience-recommended level of 1,000 with cholesterol-lowering drugs.

    "I was basically a time bomb," Fongheiser says. He welcomes "being able to test this and know what's going on."

     

    53 comments

    • Brian  •  San Antonio, United States  •  7 mths ago
      but his insurer wouldn't pay for a stress Why do we even have health insurance companies? All they do is take our money and then give 67% of it back to us.
      • alanm 7 mths ago
        redistribution of wealth.
      • A Yahoo! user 7 mths ago
        People are worried about the government controlling health care, but corporations already do - I'd rather take my chances with something like Medicare for all.
      • Black Jack 7 mths ago
        Just imagine the Government running it - They take all your money and give you back 25%.
    • Thinker  •  7 mths ago
      Believe it or not, eating eggs actually increases the size of your particles, which, as the article states, increased size is good. Fact. Don't deny yourself eggs. The whole egg-cholesterol fiasco was perpetrated by the cereal industry. Of course, if the cereal industry convinces you that eggs are bad, then guess what you'll have for breakfast--cereal.
      • Cassinni 7 mths ago
        Eggs are main menu in armed forces breakfast, ...
      • Rob 7 mths ago
        And, take and or eat your antioxidants because oxidized small LDL particles are really, really bad!
      • eaamon 7 mths ago
        ya, after years of testing they finally discovered that eggs had the good cholesterol HDL that balanced your bad LDL cholesterol. just don't eat the ones from Iowa.
    • britainmal  •  7 mths ago
      The health Insurance Industry does not want to pay for it.
    • voiceinacrowd  •  7 mths ago
      guess what? we are all going to die. whether you eat fish and veggies or a triple whopper with cheese and french fries, at some point in time we're going to die.
      • Cassinni 7 mths ago
        Is our choice to live low or die at large!
      • P.J.G.B. 7 mths ago
        Exactly ! It's a universal constant. Worry just speeds the process !
      • reality girl 7 mths ago
        I walk 2 miles a day, 5 times a week. I eat healthy food, am not overweight and do not smoke, Earlier this year I couldn't pass a stress test and had to have 2 stents implanted. Go figure. Cholesterol lowering drugs have so many side effects that can make you even worse off than before you took them. I figure I will die when my time is up on this earth regardless of what I do to live longer.
    • Mr. Big  •  7 mths ago
      The reason we see more and more articles about fat cholesterol heart decease cause drug companies are behind all of that, they know that most Americans believe in what they hear and read, posting these articles pushes more Americans to see more doctors buying more drugs these articles are bate for ignorant consumers who live their lives buying drugs and have no clue that eating healthy exercising is the key to healthy living drug free...
      • wonbyahead 7 mths ago
        Niacin is the only substance that changes the size of LPa from small to large. It also lowers LDL and total cholesterol levels as well as any statin. Niacin also raises HDL better than statins. Much safer too. The flush does go away.
    • BLF  •  Marco Island, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Be careful I, have been on low dose statins for over 15 years. My cholesterol has been low for the entire period. Five years ago I started to have occasional liver related flares that cause major health issues. These flare ups were never properly diagnosed. I could not would metabolize foods would suffer extreme fatigue to near collapse, and then it would clear in three to five days. My doctor would not not take me of statins because by the time I had blood work, I was near normal for liver function.. So I took myself off statins. It's been five months now, my weight is low, my energy level is back to normal and I no longer am having liver complications. I am 70 years old and I am convinced that use of statins beyond age 65 will do more harm than good.
      • * 7 mths ago
        Thank you for your post! I too, have been on statins for close to 20 years and have gained weight (never had a weight issue in my life) and feel as if I am moving through honey! I am only 55 and stay tired and lethargic. I feel as if my "get up and go" has got up and went! Dr placed me on statins to ward off family history of plaque in the brain causing dementia! I will definitely re-evaluate next week when I go for my bi-annual check up.
      • Kel 7 mths ago
        Just because stains did work for you doesn't mean that all people should not use them. The way I see it, stains give you 15 years of health that you would not have had if you were not taking them. Stains have helped many people including my mom, who has been on them for nearly 30 years now. She is also fat but she doesn't blame it on the stains. She blames herself for being lazy. At 62, my mom started going to the gym and has lost weight. She is still on her stains! With the stains (and the gym), I am sure dear old mom will be with me for many years to come.
      • Younger Grandma 7 mths ago
        Do some research about women and statins. UNLESS you have heart disease already or the cholesterol levels are extremely high, a woman shouldn't take them!!!
    • Jarema  •  7 mths ago
      The claim is made by some that the U.S. has the best health care system in the world. Presumably the basis of this claim is that the most advanced techniques, using the highest medical technology, can be found here. But that's like claiming the U.S. has the best transportation system in the world because we have the Space Shuttle. Or had.
      ....
      If physicians themselves can't comprehend the numbers, the result is predictable: more defensive medicine. (Remind me, someone, please. Does defensive medicine lead to higher or lower medical costs? I keep forgetting.)
    • rdy2fly  •  7 mths ago
      Good gravy! I almost choked on my KFC when I read this article.
    • MLB  •  7 mths ago
      Just remember........there is no money in cures.
      Millions will go hungry and unemployed if there were cures.
      So please enjoy the pill-mill of life!!
    • Gene  •  Albuquerque, United States  •  7 mths ago
      I've been on statins for 8 years after a heart attack. My Cardiologist says that fish oil is probably the most important of all to be taking.
    • ellquestion authority  •  7 mths ago
      no one can afford the new tests or patented meds to 'treat' the condition. who has insurance anymore?
    • Bilbo Tea Baggins  •  7 mths ago
      that's simple, only use it when it is profitable for your firm which means always. and tell the sheep that to be on the "safe side" it should be done.
    • wonsetihw  •  7 mths ago
      Mr. Fongheiser should of appealed. Its recommended that anyone over 50 should have a stress test, especially if they are out of breath just by walking. Exercising and getting out of breath is a good indicator for heart disease. I exercise regularly and believe me if I'm panting, I'm headed for the ER. Mr. Fongheiser could of check to see how much a stress test cost and went it alone, that is always a possibility. I believe you can have normal cholesterol reading but if you eat a high fat diet, I would be concerned. Some doctor use the ratio, a normal cholesterol ratio reading is anything below 4.0. The best way to ensure a healthy heart is exercise, does it guarantee you won't get a heart attack, no, but the benefits from exercise out weight not doing it at all.
    • Molly  •  7 mths ago
      I'm not going to debate the pro or con of this extra test. I just wondered if anyone else noticed we have been getting a whole lot of these articals bashing tests in the last two months. Prostate cancer screen for men test for women a type of cancer test. About one a week for the last mont or two. I'm starting to wonder if the insurance industry or some other group decided to use the old spin Doctor thing to cut costs. The decission for any test should be between you and your doctor. If you don't trust him You are a fool. Get a doctor you do trust then check out the data on your own. We see things in news articals every day we know are crap or made up turned around just to make a better headline. It's your life the one thing any thinking person should want to take care of .
    • Just zis guy  •  7 mths ago
      This article deals with science...so half of you will, by nature, deny its validity.
    • Ralph Turchiano  •  San Luis Obispo, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Where is there any confiming data on the health benefits of this statement? :

      "—Total cholesterol should be below 200."

      Good luck with that one
    • EvilDoersRUs  •  7 mths ago
      Your cholesterol test controversy. Now with friends.
    • Rob  •  7 mths ago
      Oxidized LDL, especially small particle, is really a major culprit. Look it up (try pubmed).
      Take and eat lots of high-quality mixed/complexed carotenoids and tocopherols as well as Polyphenols (lot's in dark chocolate or cocoa, dark fruits) and Anthocyanins. These are all antioxidants.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Portland, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Doctors are useful for a whole lot of things but doing your own research may provide you with answers you won't get from the doctor. Case in point: I have had bad veins in my feet for years and as I age suffer with surface blood clots (Doctor: "not to worry unless they become deep vein") So I've paid for lazer, scheladerma, ect & all I got was sore feet & legs...(doctor: Just live in pressure stockings....) After a lot of research I found REPARIL gel made in Germany. Guess what a simple inexpensive topical application has erased years of distorted veins, & NO more surface blood clots...Is it available in the U.S. --no! you have to order it over the internet....am just saying, there's a lot going on out there that will never be offered to you and it is up to you to take care of you.
    • Rob  •  7 mths ago
      There was a study (at least one) of a population with a condition that caused very high cholesterol (or the like) but they didn't get the expected diseases and lived very long healthy lives. Turned out they had lots of, maybe all?, large particle LDL.
      Also, the Ashkenazy lineage has that same "advantage" and has been studied for this as well (happy to be one myself).
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