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    Ethicist: 18th century 'giant' should be buried

    LONDON (AP) — The skeleton of an 18th-century celebrity nicknamed the 'Irish Giant' should be removed from a museum and buried at sea in keeping with his last wishes, two experts have argued, reviving a debate about the ethics of handling human remains.

    Writing in the British Medical Journal, medical ethicist Len Doyal and legal researcher Thomas Muinzer said there is no good scientific reason to display the skeleton of Charles Byrne, who died in 1783, and a strong moral case against it.

    "What has been done cannot be undone but it can be morally rectified," the two men wrote. "Surely it is time to respect the memory and reputation of Byrne."

    Byrne stood about 7 feet, 7 inches (2.3 meters) tall as a result of acromegaly, a condition caused when a tumor on the pituitary gland stimulates an excess of growth hormone.

    He became a celebrity in 18th-century London as the star turn in a museum of curiosities but died aged just 22.

    Despite Byrne's wish to be buried at sea, his body was purchased by pioneering surgeon and anatomist John Hunter, who often hired grave robbers to supply him with corpses. For two centuries Byrne's skeleton has been on display at the Royal College of Surgeons' Hunterian Museum in London.

    Doyal, of London's Queen Mary University, and Muinzer, of Queen's University Belfast, said that while Byrne's skeleton had been of use to medical research, that was no reason to put it on public display.

    "Moreover, now that Byrne's DNA has been extracted, it can be used in further research," they wrote.

    The museum's director, Sam Alberti, conceded Thursday there was a "powerful moral argument" for respecting Byrne's wishes. But he said that was outweighed by the skeleton's continuing benefit to medical research.

    "Patients with the condition today live long and much happier lives," Alberti said — in part due to knowledge gleaned from Byrne's DNA.

    Byrne's skeleton has helped scientists identify several dozen people in Ireland with the same genetic mutation — all believed to be related to Byrne through a common ancestor.

    One of them, Brendan Holland, says the skeleton should remain — and he thinks Byrne would agree.

    "What would his view be if he knew what we know now?" Holland said in a video for the British Medical Journal website. "He would almost certainly agree with my view that this is the right thing to do today."

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    Online:

    British Medical Journal: http://www.bmj.com

    Hunterian Museum: http://www.rcseng.ac.uk/museums

     
    • michael  •  5 mths ago
      Only an Irishman could be in the middle of a fight 200 years after he dies.I love being Irish.
      • TP 5 mths ago
        thanks for the laugh!
      • Ke'allei 5 mths ago
        Oh I love it! Here's to being Irish!!!
      • DICKB 5 mths ago
        I'll drink to that!
    • Ray  •  Richardson, Texas  •  5 mths ago
      I think that with todays technology use it to recreate his skeleton and then honor his wishes and bury him at sea.
      • Frederick Hazel 5 mths ago
        Agree, put his remains in a Sewn sail(s), place him on a WOODEN sailing ship (represents the ships he knew), and bury him somewhere in the IRISH SEA, maybe the IRISH NAVY will assist w/honours.
      • Ty 5 mths ago
        I also agree. They could do a computer generated 3-D image of him for sure and be done with it. They already have his DNA, as well. It's time they respect this man's wishes.
      • missileman 5 mths ago
        My thoughts exactly.
    • A still small voice  •  Deforest, Wisconsin  •  5 mths ago
      Why is it so hard to act decently?
      • Dataman 5 mths ago
        It isn't. Unless you have an agenda.
      • lindah 5 mths ago
        People have bought their way out so much.......they forgot how.
      • Joe Bananas 5 mths ago
        it's easier to be a bad guy. you don't have to obey the rules.
    • Jeffery Quine  •  Oklahoma City, Oklahoma  •  5 mths ago
      Good grief. Bury the man the way he wanted to be buried.
      • who cares 5 mths ago
        what ever you do
        Don't let any medical students see this
        you know what a bunch of wierdo's they are
        in fact since he was an englishman
        grind his bones to make your bread
        because he is DEAD DEAD DEAD
    • Ralph  •  Dallas, Texas  •  5 mths ago
      ". . .there was a 'powerful moral argument' for respecting Byrne's wishes. But he said that was outweighed by the skeleton's continuing benefit to medical research." What continuing benefit to medical research? He means as an attraction, as a continuing benefit to the museum's bottom line.

      How dare they say, "This is what he'd have wanted." If he'd have wanted to be an exhibit in a museum, he'd have put that in his will. But he didn't. He asked to be buried at sea. Bury him at sea, dammit.
      • Blue 5 mths ago
        Yeah, my dad died and had stated in his will he wanted to give money to charity, but trust me, I know what he would have really wanted and all the money should have gone to me. Who are the lawyers to tell me I don't know what my father would have really wanted. snort
      • Dave 5 mths ago
        I don't think it has to do with the museum's bottom line. If it's part of a perminate collection the museum isn't making money from it. Most museum's in the UK are free to the public. Only special event's or exibit's cost money to see. The guy wanting to keep it has probably be working with it his whole career. But I do agree, it should be buried at sea.

        There are people nowadays that have the same disease, they could supply the DNA or etc for research.
      • Kevin Dalton 5 mths ago
        I guess in texass you don't believe in science
    • James  •  5 mths ago
      Cast a fake one to replace it with!
    • Harley  •  5 mths ago
      I'm 100% with the ethicists on this. The man was not a freak - he had last wishes which most anyone is granted in their death, and they should be respected. There are plenty of living "giants" in the world that should they want to extract more DNA or should they come up with more advanced technologies, I'm almost positive those people would happily donate to the cause if approached properly. Denying the man his right to a burial at sea is just plain rude. There are plenty of cases of gigantism in written history and in the current world that they can study; heck, I'm sure some of the living would donate themselves to science once they pass on, just give them the opportunity.
    • Michael  •  Dayton, Ohio  •  5 mths ago
      the wishes of the individual are secondary to the wants of society.
      that's in effect what you are saying...so, just say it. why mince words? does it make you uncomfortable to state that if society needs something - society should just take it? it certainly makes me uncomfortable ;)
    • Quint  •  New York, New York  •  5 mths ago
      They already have all the necessary DNA. Take a cast of his remains and let the man live in peace. Even in death he is getting the freak show treatment.
    • RichardM  •  Santa Rosa, California  •  5 mths ago
      If he was your or my son, brother or friend wouldn't we want his wishes followed. This is a sad situation with a simple remedy.
    • Matheu G  •  Flint, Michigan  •  5 mths ago
      The man died and wanted a sea burial. Why is he still in a museum considering his last request is known?
    • Ashley  •  Fort Myers, Florida  •  5 mths ago
      Why do morals get pushed to the back burner, you can still get his DNA and get pictures etc of the bones and put the man to rest as he wanted. Make a replica of him so it can still be seen and studied. Its really not that awefull to just be a good person from time to time lol
    • Eric  •  Los Angeles, California  •  5 mths ago
      For England, the land of be "proper", this is not right. Do the right thing and give him a proper burial at sea.
    • Two Faced Fox  •  5 mths ago
      Where scholars fail to see easy answers. In this day and age its the easiest procedure to make "real as it gets" casts of bones. Duplicate his remains and bury the real ones. I mean, really...is it that hard?
    • Peter  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  5 mths ago
      This is outrageous. His wishes should have been respected 200 years ago. Let's do it now and prove we've actually learned something since then.
    • X  •  New York, New York  •  4 mths ago
      If he had been an english man, his wish would have been granted.
    • Some Dude  •  5 mths ago
      Sorry, but if someone doesn't want to be donated to science, we should respect their wishes and let them be buried with dignity and respect. It's not like Byrne was the only guy with this medical condition and represents the only catalyst of medical achievement and breakthrough with this disease. Others who suffer from this malady can contribute if they so wish.
    • jamesd  •  5 mths ago
      I'd be sayin that it's time that Charles Byrne be allowed to rest in peace in a place of his own choosing! We are all owned and used to such a degree in life, there should be a dignity to be found in death! It's only our own fear and greed, have prompted the preservation of this mans remains until now, to have been "bought "by anyone "with the price" is a sad statement on the condition of humanity's soul! Bury The Man!
    • nixin  •  4 mths ago
      his skeleton does no good, now.his wishes were stated then, they should be respected now. keeping his skeleton for ghouls to gawk at -- & pay admission -- that's all it is good for. bury his bones at sea, as requested. his descendant should not make his choice for him...
    • Vicki d  •  5 mths ago
      You know, being buried at sea is the only way to guarantee that someday someone doesn't build a house on top of you.
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