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    Ex-UN climate chief to AP: talks are rudderless

    DURBAN, South Africa (AP) โ€” Yvo de Boer said he left his job as the U.N.'s top climate official in frustration 18 months ago, believing the process of negotiating a meaningful climate agreement was failing. His opinion hasn't changed.

    "I still have the same view of the process that led me to leave the process," he told The Associated Press Sunday. "I'm still deeply concerned about where it's going, or rather where it's not going, about the lack of progress."

    For three years until 2010, the Dutch civil servant was the leading voice on global warming on the world stage. He appeared constantly in public to advocate green policies, traveled endlessly for private meetings with top leaders and labored with negotiators seeking ways to finesse snags in drafting agreements.

    In the end he felt he "wasn't really able to contribute as I should be to the process," he said.

    Today he can take a long view on his years as a Dutch negotiator in the 1990s and later as a senior U.N. official with access to the highest levels of government, business and civil society. He is able to voice criticisms he was reluctant to air when he was actively shepherding climate diplomacy.

    Negotiators live "in a separate universe," and the ongoing talks are "like a log that's drifted away," he said. Then, drawing another metaphor from his rich reservoir, he called the annual 194-nation conferences "a bit of a mouse wheel."

    De Boer spoke to the AP on the sidelines of the latest round of talks in this South African port city, which he is attending as a consultant for the international accounting firm KPMG.

    Elsewhere in Durban Sunday, the South African host of the talks called for divine help at a climate change church service organized by the South African Council of Churches.

    "We needed to pray for (an) acceptable, balanced outcome, that has a sense of urgency," said Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, who as South Africa's foreign minister is president of the Durban round of negotiations. Priests laid their hands on her head in blessing during the service.

    De Boer said world leaders have failed to become deeply engaged in efforts to reach an international accord to control greenhouse gas emissions causing global warming. In recent years, their inattention has been compounded by their preoccupation with the economic and Eurozone crises.

    Negotiators have been at the job so long โ€” since the 1992 climate convention โ€” that they have lost touch with the real world, he said. But it wasn't their fault.

    "I completely understand that it is very difficult for a negotiator to move if you haven't been given a political sense of direction and the political space to move," he said, chatting on a hilltop terrace overlooking the Indian Ocean.

    Rather than act in their own national interests, many leaders look to see what others are willing โ€” or unwilling โ€” to concede.

    "You've got a bunch of international leaders sitting 85 stories up on the edge of a building saying to each other, you jump first and I'll follow. And there is understandably a reluctance to be the first one to jump," he said.

    The 2009 Copenhagen summit was a breaking point. Expectations soared that the conference would produce an accord setting firm rules for bringing down global carbon emissions. When delegates fell short, hopes remained high that President Barack Obama, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, most of Europe's heads of government and more than 100 other top leaders would save the day at the last minute.

    De Boer said he spent the last 24 hours of the summit in "a very small and very smelly room" with about 20 prime ministers and presidents, but the time was not ripe for the hoped-for international treaty.

    Obama still hoped to push domestic legislation through the Senate, and any prior commitment to a U.N. treaty would have killed his chances. The bill died anyway. China and India, too, were not ready in Copenhagen to accept internationally binding limits on their emissions.

    Many Americans, he said, have still not bought into the "green story," he said. In the meantime, the U.S. is losing a competitive edge against China, which is investing heavily to shift the course of its economy โ€” from which it will benefit regardless of the global warming issue, he said.

    Despite their failures, De Boer said he thought most leaders sincerely want a deal on climate change.

    "I do not see the negotiating process being able to rise to that challenge, being capable of delivering on that," he said. "I believe the sincerity on the part of world leaders is there, but it's almost as though they do not have control of the process that's suppose to take them there."

     

    59 comments

    • Gnosis  •  Fort Worth, United States  •  5 mths ago
      There are 202 officially recognized nations in the world today. 192 of them are members of the United Nations. There are currently 50 nations today that have a majority Muslim population, and 9 more that are a third to a half Muslim population. Only a small group of Muslim nations have elections, and only a handful of those have elections that can be considered even remotely โ€œlegitimate.โ€ There are currently 6 Communist nations in the world, and no Communist nation allows its people to vote for its leadership. This means, counting other nations that are run by dictatorships or monarchies, about a third of all the nations represented in the United Nations are run by unelected leaders (or illegitimate ones that have fixed elections). Because the United Nations does not discriminate against any nations by the form of government they have, the vote of any country that has a legitimately elected government that represents the will and desire of its people can be canceled out by the single vote of any nation that is run by a dictatorship which represents not the will of its people but one individual. Which means, in the U.N. a vote that represents the will of millions of people can be canceled out by a vote that represents the will of one man. The very non-discriminatory nature of the rules that govern the United Nations gives an unfair advantage to unelected dictatorships. While democratically-elected governments are held accountable for the decisions they make, dictatorships are accountable to no one, so they are free to vote any way they like even if their very own people are harmed by those policies. By nature, dictatorships will always rule selfishly, be unfair, and highly corrupt. In the U.N. body they will continue to behave the same.
    • Concerneddad47  •  Riverview, United States  •  5 mths ago
      China wont get on board, they are the biggest polluters.
    • Curly the cat  •  Rupert, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Most Americans are not buying into the ''green story'' because it's a green story. There are ancient cities in 20 feet of water. Imagine that.
      • JJMurray 5 mths ago
        And there are fossils from sea creatures on mountain tops. Imagine that.
    • Roy  •  5 mths ago
      He does not seem to have grasped that the political class have found a new excuse to tax the populations through the financial crisis & no longer need the excuse of the rigged global warming stats. It was always about taxation.
      • Scootter 5 mths ago
        Rupert Murdock is proud of you Roy. Keep up the work. You are one of his parrots.
      • Primewonk 5 mths ago
        I wonder why you guys get your "sciency" information from Faux News and the Koch Brothers instead of real science sources?

        It seems like you folks enjoy being lied to by these ldiots.
      • timb 5 mths ago
        And where do you get your 100% reliable info from Prime work? It always amazes me how people like you know everything!
    • teacher  •  5 mths ago
      The heart of the matter. I think we have lost an understanding of abundance in life being related to a sense of gratitude and reverence for the source and supply of food, together with an appropriate use of resources. This reflects an attitude so utterly different from the current belief system where abundance is seen as limitless and senseless consumerism. We live in a finite world. Our lives are inextricably linked with the natural world. Nature, air and water, have no boundaries. To live well requires that one live in right relationships with self, other people, and with the earth. We no longer seem to value the environment that utterly supports life on the planet or understand that we live interdependently with the ecosystems of the earth.
      The Earthโ€™s processes are not linear; the response from the biosphere is not proportionate to the pushing given to it. And ecosystems work by biogeophysical feedback. Habitat destruction, overpopulation, overharvesting, pollution, ozone destruction, massive amounts of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere and ocean systems. We had the hottest year on record, the tundra is thawing and releasing methane. In the geologic past this has been disastrous for life on the planet. There comes a point when where if you keep pushing, you donโ€™t get more of the same, but events of a different quality and magnitude. People are so easily lulled into being short-term thinkers, considering convenience and shallow materialistic values. Wisdom reflects long-term thinkers who consider our children and grand children. You can't breathe, drink or eat money.
      • why I like iPad 5 mths ago
        As a teacher you ignore Sunspots, Gamma rays, the oceans' parts in CO2 emissions and the fact that the Earth has frozen and warmed dozens of time in the past to place all your eggs in the IPCC's AGW basket? From the very beginning they ignored all other inputs except the ones they chose - Siberian tree rings.
      • bkpx 5 mths ago
        @ IPad - As a yahoo poster, you ignore all the real science that has shown those things to be irrelevant. Please quit listening to the Denialist hacks and learn some real science.
      • Ed Casner 5 mths ago
        May I point out that with an increase in atmospheric CO2 comes an acceleration of plant growth?
    • HopeWeChange  •  Cobalt, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Roy hit the nail on the head when he wrote: "It was always about taxation."
      The primary focus of this carbon "taxation" is income redistrobution. Redistrobution of wealth is a key part of socialism.
      • bkpx 5 mths ago
        Funny. Carbon credits were first proposed by the GOP in the 1990s. Gov. George Pataki used them in New York to control pollution levels. But don't mind me, just keep telling yourself this about socialism.
      • dj 5 mths ago
        A governor from NY isn't exactly what I'd call Republican, even if he has an R next to his name.
      • Repairman Dave 5 mths ago
        the first name that comes to mind about carbon taxes and offsets is Al Gore.
    • cape cod gene  •  5 mths ago
      And the UN leaders are mindless.
    • Red Hawk  •  5 mths ago
      Give me an all expence paid trip to Durban. I can help with the negotations. I've been dealing with "climate change" all my life. I get cold in the winter and hot in the summer!!!
    • geniusandinsanitywalkdown ...  •  5 mths ago
      The last talks led to a solution that allowed the vast majority of nations to do NOTHING for the last 20 years......
      .
      In the last 20 years, 157 countries have had exemptions while only 37 had actual requirements ....So, in other word, 80% of the nations had to do NOTHING while only 20% of nations were required to do anything.
      .
      Make me wonder if they really wanted to solve the SUPPOSED problem or just have more excuses for restrictions oin the successful economies (this is a wealth redistribution scheme - if this were a real problem, all nations would be required to help in some way or fashion).
      .
      As long as they are trying to exempt most nations you can be assured this is all about stealing form those who are successful and giving to those who are not
    • cape cod gene  •  5 mths ago
      We have to pass these global warming bills to find out what s in them.
    • x  •  Boston, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The ocean has been rising for THOUSANDS of years. I go cave diving in Florida and Mexico. In Mexico, you can see speleothems (stalactites and stalagmites), down to at least the 70' depth level. This means that those caves WERE dry at one time. There are places on the mainland where caves hold pottery, relics, and even bones of people from the ancient Mayans.

      So, if you think *I* am going to care about 5' more water - you have another thing coming. The water has been rising for THOUSANDS of years - since the last ice age in fact... Back in the 80's we were going to enter the next ice age... now it's global warming... It's just a shame that scientists have become part of the political landscape, but, sadly, it has always been this way. Don't think so - just look back a few hundred years to Christopher Columbus - most of the people thought the earth was flat - some probably still do...
    • RW  •  Leawood, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Maybe all the bogus fears that failed to come to fruition have exposed the farce....
    • Stony  •  5 mths ago
      U.N. - Utter Nonsense
    • roz  •  Iowa City, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The funny thing is they say we have to stop greenhouse gases or the planet will burn up but then on the other hand we can go on doing it if we pay billions to them. Wich is it the planet is going to burn up if we dont stop or we dont care if the planet burns up as long as you pay us billions. Its all a farce created by liberals to take more of the working mans money.
    • Greg  •  Miami, United States  •  5 mths ago
      this is a tired old horse that is near death...no matter how many times they rename it...they keep beating it to pull the wagon of taxation and wealth redistribution but the old horse can no longer pull the wagon due to its increasing infirmity and irrelevance no matter how much they whip it and propagandize about it....
    • HopeWeChange  •  Cobalt, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The question is not if the climate is changing, for it has been changing for 4.5 billion years. The question is how much humans impact that change. Is it any wonder that De Boer said "Many Americans have still not bought into the "green story," for it is just that, a story.
    • Kenneth  •  5 mths ago
      The problem with the debate about the climate and other controversial topics is emotion replaces logic. Emotion has it place in some topics but not those rooted in science. You not have a debate of climate change it emotion replace facts. Conclusions deviate when logic is replaced with emotions. Iโ€™m no climate expert so I rely on the presented evidence both pro and con. The facts are as I see them; climate change is happening, whether itโ€™s human caused are is inconclusive from what Iโ€™ve read. Even so at some point the planetโ€™s climate will become hazardous to life not adapted to the new climate. No one can say how long it will last or whether it will abate. So present your argument with facts and logic not emotions and conjecture.
    • over here in this line  •  Philadelphia, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The climate change policies are going to be exactly a parallel to todays life.
      Government, Lawmakers, and Big Business will dictate to everyone of what the NEW LAWS will be while they each DO whatever they want.
      Kinda like the du che bag in New England with the mega boat and the tax thing
      or
      the udder du che bag in California building that mega structure on the beach.
      So how's the mega boat and mega house GOOD for the environment?
      Do as We say, not as WE do...?
    • Joe Caffeine  •  5 mths ago
      Well, it's a hoax, so any action will be harmful, since it would move society in a direction contrary to the true science. The UN, through the IPCC, wants to set up a non-elected ubergovernment with complete control over energy and water. Their strategy is to pay scientists to come up with pre-determined "results" to match their intentions. Over 70 billion dollars has been spent to achieve this. Remember: all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you don't believe me, read the Copenhagen agreement first draft.
    • Johhny  •  5 mths ago
      "You've got a bunch of international leaders sitting 85 stories up on the edge of a building saying to each other, you jump first and I'll follow. And there is understandably a reluctance to be the first one to jump," he said.

      Thank God they're not that stupid .
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