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    FACT CHECK: There are budget phantoms in the room

    WASHINGTON (AP) — When a president introduces a budget, there are always phantoms flitting around the room. President Barack Obama's spending plan sets loose a number of them.

    It counts on phantom savings from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's underpinned by tax increases Republicans won't let happen and program cuts fellow Democrats in Congress are all but certain to block.

    And it assumes rates of growth that the economy will have to become strikingly undead to achieve.

    A look at three budget ghosts, sometimes known as gimmicks:

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    BUDGET: Claims about $850 billion in savings from ending the wars and steers some $230 billion of that to highways.

    REALITY: There is no direct peace dividend from ending the wars because the government borrowed to pay for them. The government would have to keep borrowing that amount of money to have it to spend on something else.

    Counting the end of wars as a dividend is like a student coming out of college loaded with debt and aching to buy things, says Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "When you finish college, you don't suddenly have thousands of dollars a year to spend elsewhere — in fact, you have to find a way to pay back your loans."

    MacGuineas says, "Drawing down spending on wars that were already set to wind down and that were deficit-financed in the first place should not be considered savings."

    President George W. Bush kept the cost of the wars out of his budgets, a contentious accounting maneuver that may have papered over the impact on spending projections but deepened the national debt as surely as if the price tag had been shown transparently. Taken together, the Bush and Obama budget tricks seem to suggest war costs nothing but ending it frees a ton of money.

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    BUDGET: Forecasts healthy growth in years ahead, with GDP growth predicted to reach 4 percent in 2014 and 4.2 percent in 2015.

    REALITY: It's obviously too soon to know, but reputable private forecasts are not nearly as rosy as the administration's assumptions, and their track record tends to be better. They are generally forecasting a percentage point lower or close to that, a huge difference, and don't see reaching 4 percent growth in the foreseeable future.

    Last year, the administration built its proposed budget on a projection of 2.7 percent growth in 2011; it turned out to be 1.7. The forecast for 2012 was 3.6 percent, which the White House lowered in the new budget to 3 percent. IHS Global Insight, a leading forecaster in Lexington, Mass., projects 2.1 percent.

    Such projections are key because the government's spending and debt plans rest on how much revenue can be expected to come in.

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    BUDGET: Assumes taxes will go up on the rich, tax breaks will end for the oil and gas industry, and spending will be cut for programs the president is willing to sacrifice.

    REALITY: Tax increases are a non-starter before the election, with Republicans standing in the way, so sweeping parts of Obama's budget plan are little more than a campaign platform laying out what he would try to get done if re-elected.

    Some of his proposals are not so tied to the election. They have little or no chance of passing Congress regardless of what happens in November.

    For example, he proposes using money from a Justice Department fund for crime victims for other purposes. But Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, quickly signaled he would work to protect the fund, just as he has successfully done in the past.

    Obama is the latest in a line of presidents to zero out — provide no money for — programs in order to show budget savings even while knowing Congress will restore the money. Amtrak and the post office are among institutions that have seen such phantoms before.

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    Associated Press writers Martin Crutsinger and Pete Yost contributed to this report.

    EDITOR'S NOTE _ An occasional look at how well public officials' statements adhere to the facts

     
    • We apologize an error has ...  •  3 mths ago
      Yep! In our house we just say that we are not buying a new car next year therefore we will save $40,000 ! If we want to save more, we won't buy 2 cars !
      • Greg 3 mths ago
        To "We Apologize An Error Has... Your comment is the best I've read yet!!!
      • Scott 3 mths ago
        Better yet....We did buy the car for $40k, but we're just not going to pay for it now....So we saved a ton of money! Look Mom...we saved $40k this year and we already have the new car. We're financial geniuses!
      • sam 3 mths ago
        Yeah, I know what you mean... I have been saying the same thing, "I won't be buying a new car this year." And I have been saying that every year, for the past eleven years.
    • Larry  •  Eugene, Oregon  •  3 mths ago
      They are not phantoms. They are lies
      • John Silver 3 mths ago
        Phantoms from a Shadow Government...
      • Ocho Uno 3 mths ago
        Agree!
      • Ocho Uno 3 mths ago
        As the saying goes, figures don't lie, but liars can figure...
    • Patriots Rising  •  Sunnyvale, California  •  3 mths ago
      “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”......Abraham Lincoln
      • Hector R 3 mths ago
        "If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."
      • TimS 3 mths ago
        "Yeah, but what is that spelled backwards?" Jim Ignatowski.
      • WMB 3 mths ago
        This quote was translated into English from an article appearing in the Czech Republic as published in the Prager Zeitung of 28 April 2011.

        "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting an inexperienced man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of Idiots such as those who made him their president."
    • SimpleMan  •  3 mths ago
      politicians know nothing about money. because its not their money its our money
      • blank 3 mths ago
        oh they know spend spend spend
      • DERRICK H 3 mths ago
        Yes, cause only we pay taxes.
      • Kim 3 mths ago
        They know what they knows best, spending and keep you away from ever finding truth to stop their agenda.
    • epd537  •  3 mths ago
      Just the government playing with numbers.Just like they do with unemployment and everything else.They don't need new taxes -they need to cut their dam spending.
      and stay out of other countries affairs.
      • Jeremy 3 mths ago
        You sound like a Ron Paul fan. If not, you should take a closer look at him.
      • LJA 3 mths ago
        cut spending, stay out of other countries affairs AND raise taxes to pay for what has already been spent---we might get out of this.
      • truth 3 mths ago
        Cutting spending enough to even come close to balancing the budget would require massive cuts in government contracts to the private sector (oh yeah, we forgot that most government money is contracted out to private companies) and it would crash our economy. Just start trying to cut unecessary military contracts and see how fast the Republican's "government spending doesn't create jobs" to "we'll lose jobs if the governement cuts military contracts. How about we raise taxes on the wealthy and on big multinational corporations? The got all the cuts, and yet they didn't create jobs, so those cuts were a failure that created huge government deficits. Since we were lied to about tax cuts and that theory failed, how about they start paying back the taxes they didn't use on jobs? That would be trillions toward balancing the budget. I do completely agree with staying out of other country's affairs and closing most all military bases in foreign countries. But try to do that, and see how fast the money pours into the Republican party to stop that from those making money off those bases, and the military contracts they create.
    • Tired  •  3 mths ago
      Does this REALLY come as a surprise to any body???? They keep playing the same old shell game......
    • Tyler  •  3 mths ago
      This budget was never meant to see the light of day. It's an election year campaign tool. Even the Senate Democrats are saying its dead on arrival and won't bring it up for a vote.
    • J  •  3 mths ago
      How come these experts never work in the adminstration..
    • J10  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 mths ago
      This is the same budget Obama proposed in 08 when the Dems held the majority in both Houses...........and was rejected by the Dems.
    • JoeB  •  Dallastown, Pennsylvania  •  3 mths ago
      Well, I guess I just saved a few billion dollars. My wife andI decided not purchase the State of NJ . Good thing I saved my family all that money , and cut my debt
    • Jason B  •  3 mths ago
      "If I don't have this economy turned around in 3 years, I will be a one-term president."
    • Kodiak  •  3 mths ago
      I don't know about you, but if I had told my parents fabrications (p.c. lingo for outright lies) I would have suffered some severe consequences.
    • Chris  •  3 mths ago
      I assume the AP has to throw an honest piece out there every 2 or 3 years, but this was shocking!
    • TK from LA  •  3 mths ago
      Obama's budgez czar is NOT happy with this story, Yahoo.
    • Mr. Spin  •  3 mths ago
      The one sentence in this article says it all about our fearless leaders in Washington. When referring to the war's trickery on the budget. "Taken together, the Bush and Obama budget tricks seem to suggest war costs nothing but ending it frees a ton of money."
    • blursd  •  3 mths ago
      Holy @#$% ... Hell must have frozen over. Could it be ...? The "Fact Checkers" are actually focusing on a Democrat for once ... and at the the ridiculous crap they say on par with Republicans!?!
    • Les  •  3 mths ago
      Wow, this reporter will be looking for work soon.He must be nuts questioning anything the king does.
    • Michael Ambrosia  •  3 mths ago
      I'm glad at least some reporters are following up on the president's faulty finances. This stuff should be obvious, but it helps to present the facts and spell it out for flippant voters. If you don't like it, like me, then vote for fiscally responsible officials.
    • Greg  •  3 mths ago
      What? You mean we borrowed money for those wars? Wow, I thought they were paid for with oil money- who got that oil money anyway?
    • steve  •  3 mths ago
      List of AliBama's accomplishments:

      1. Federal debt has increased by 43% from $10.6 trillion to $15 trillion.
      2. Americans living in poverty have increased by 16% from 39.8 million to 46.2 million.
      3. Total unemployment (U6) has increased by 68% from 13.7 million to 23 million.
      4. Price of gasoline has increased by 80% from $1.86/gal to $3.35/gal.
      5. Americans on food stamps have increased 42% from 31.8 million to 45.2 million.
      6. Home foreclosures per year have increased by 34% from 850,000 to 1,140,000.
      7. Total bankruptcy filings per year have increased by 42% from 1,117,641 to 1,593,081.
      8. Median Household incomes have declined by 4%.
      9. Average selling price of new homes has declined by 10%.
      10. US dollar compared to foreign currencies has declined by 8.7%. [US dollar index of 85.9 in Jan 2009 to 78.5 in Dec 2011.]
      11. US dollar compared to gold has declined 105%. [ $855/ounce to $1750/ounce]
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