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    FACT CHECK: Closer look at Cain's retirement model

    One way that surging GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain has distinguished himself from his rivals is by calling for an alternative to Social Security — a private retirement plan modeled on one instituted a generation ago in Chile.

    "Chile — they had the same problem nearly 30 years ago," Cain said last month at a forum in Florida, one of several occasions where he's touted his proposal. "They went to an optional, personal retirement account approach, and they now have individual retirement accounts for their workers."

    But there's nothing optional about Chile's system. It requires that all workers contribute 10 percent of their salaries to private pension plans, plus other fees for insurance. These private funds have grown by an average of 9 percent annually after inflation since 1981, creating wealth that has boosted Chile's economy.

    Still, many Chileans are unhappy over the funds' commissions and fees, and frustrated that their pensions aren't bigger. Polls have found that if given the choice, most Chileans would rather decide for themselves how to invest for their retirement.

    A look at Cain's claims and how they compare with the facts:

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    CAIN: "I believe in the Chilean model, where you give a personal retirement account option so we can move this aside from an entitlement society to an empowerment society. Chile had a broken system the way we did 30 years ago. A worker was paying 28 cents on a dollar into a broken system. They finally awakened and put in a system where the younger workers could — could have a choice — novel idea. Give them a choice with an account with their name on it and over time we would eliminate the current broken system that we have." — GOP debate on Sept. 7 at the Reagan Library in California.

    THE FACTS: The U.S. Social Security system faces long-term problems as more baby boomers retire, leaving relatively fewer workers to pay into the system. The Social Security trust funds are projected to be exhausted by 2036 unless Congress enacts changes. Once the funds are exhausted, the system would collect only enough payroll taxes to pay about three-fourths of the benefits Americans have been promised.

    Chile had a similar system that was eating up nearly a third of workers' incomes and going bankrupt before Gen. Augusto Pinochet's dictatorship created the private pensions in 1981. At the time, Chilean stocks were performing so badly that the military and police refused to go along. Many civilians also decided to stay with their government-run plans, but most switched.

    Since then, all new employees have been required to contribute 10 percent of their first $33,360 in annual wages, choosing among five funds whose investments range from safe bonds to riskier stocks. Roughly half of Chile's 17 million people pay into the private system today and can earn full pensions at age 60 for women and 65 for men, compared with a U.S. retirement age that is rising to 67.

    Unlike traditional pension plans or Social Security, these investment accounts are the private property of each Chilean. Upon retirement, they can take out whatever's left after taxes and spend it as they wish. Anything left over at their death can be inherited by their families.

    Chilean companies aren't required to pay anything into the system, unlike U.S. employers, who must match each worker's 6.2 percent payroll tax. That makes the total Social Security tax 12.4 percent, applied to the first $106,800 of each employee's wages. (Workers' payroll taxes were cut to 4.2 percent for this year; they'll return to 6.2 percent on Jan. 1 unless extended as President Barack Obama has asked.)

    Starting in 2002, Chileans were allowed to invest up to 10 percent more in pretax savings — besides the mandatory program — that could be withdrawn at any time with no penalties other than taxes. Those voluntary plans, used mostly by Chileans wealthy enough to be able put away up to 20 percent of their income, have boomed, creating an additional $5.7 billion investment pool.

    Transparency is built in: Chileans can use ATM-style cards or go online at any time to make projections and changes, and the government tightly regulates the funds, reporting each month on their progress. Success has bred imitation; 30 other countries have adopted something similar.

    So why are so many Chileans unhappy?

    Many complain of commissions and fees that have added up to nearly 15 percent of their contributions, according to the International Association of Latin American Pension Fund Supervisors.

    The system's regulators say people who start paying the legal limit every month at age 25 can retire on 70 percent of their working salary. But that's not common. The average payout is $351 a month, just 36 percent of the average working wage, said Gonzalo Cid Vega, a pensions expert with Chile's Center for National Studies of Alternative Development.

    "We created a private system with good intentions, but when a person retires, they become poor," Cid said.

    U.S. Social Security benefits aren't much better, despite adjusting for inflation and using a sliding scale so that low-wage workers get a higher share of their earnings than higher-wage workers do. American workers retiring this year after making an average of $41,000 annually over 35 years would initially get about 45 percent of their working wage; an $88,000-a-year worker would get about 30 percent. The average U.S. monthly benefit is about $1,180, just 28 percent of the median U.S. monthly household income of $4,159.

    Fear of stock market volatility is a big barrier to switching from Social Security to private accounts. The Social Security trust funds are invested entirely in U.S. Treasury bonds, which offer relatively low returns but are considered among the safest investments in the world.

    By comparison, Chile's funds have delivered strong returns, despite some nerve-racking swings over the years. In 2008 alone, 60 percent of the growth obtained since the funds began was wiped out. Before it was regained the next year, it was a particularly bad time to retire in Chile. Many are angry that the funds aren't required to share their profits and lessen the impact of such devastating downturns on pensioners.

    Other changes, in 2009, forced Chile's self-employed to participate, made it harder for people to take early retirement and exhaust their pensions before death, created government subsidies to cover housewives and other informal workers, and provided tax breaks for employers who voluntarily augment the contributions of low-wage workers.

    The changes mean Chile's system is hardly the private plan it was billed to be: Two-thirds of all pensioners now get some kind of government support, which both increases taxes and enables private companies to profit more from government revenues.

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    U.S. Social Security Administration analysis of Latin American pension reforms: https://www.socialsecurity.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v71n1/v71n1p35.html

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    Michael Warren, AP's Southern Cone bureau chief, reported and wrote this story from Buenos Aires. Follow him at http://twitter.com/mwarrenap. Stephen Ohlemacher and Calvin Woodward contributed from Washington.

     
     
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    • Chris  •  7 mths ago
      The fact is the government has used money from the account for years and not paid it back. Its like our French Lick Municipal Airport. I was ask to be the treasure. I did until we got our first grant to extend our taxi way. The town of French Lick put the money in the General fund. The federal law states it is to go into a separate account. Guess what I quit. French Lick runway is 5,500 ft. long and 150 ft wide. Maybe 6 aircraft a week lands there. How many small aviation airports are getting tax payers money? Our bridges and roads are falling through?
      • Chris 7 mths ago
        I guess what i am trying to say is this. Our retirement plan would have been fine if the Government would have left it alone. Now 52% of America is out of work, it will run out by 2036. See how the number crunching works! The 52% is based on unemployment. Once you stop drawing the money, you are considered working by the Government. See how number crunching works! LOL Everyone keep watching the News! People don't get the truth anymore!
      • jackpine savage 7 mths ago
        I agree. We now have "multi use trails" cris crossing our city. Not because they were needed or wanted, but because there were federal monies available to do it. BUT, there is no federal dollars available for maint. and repairs, so more local taxes must be taken, for the upkeep/repairs, on trails nobody wanted in the first place. Not to mention the monies the city had to spend for the permanent and temporary easements, just to put the trails in. Same thing with our fire dept. Because there were federal monies available, we now have a half million dollar fire truck with a 200 ft. ladder. #$%$? We are a town of 8,000 people, with no buildings over 90 ft. tall. I tried to rent it for a deer stand, but they threw me out.
      • Pat 7 mths ago
        As stated in the story, Social Security funds are invested in US treasury bills ... the safest and most secure investment in the known universe. Don't believe the claptrap about the money being "gone". It is represented by t-bills ...for that money to "disappear", the US government would have to disappear ... not likely.
    • Adele  •  7 mths ago
      The trouble with SS is that the Gov't started to borrow from it to pay for Gov't overspending and we have never been able to catch up. SS was to be used for OUR retirement, it was OUR money until Congress put their greedy hands into the pot and literally stole what was ours. Now we don't get COLA or any other increases because there is practically nothing left. If I remember correctly it was a Democrat, Lyndon Johnson, who started this fiasco.
      • professor teabag 7 mths ago
        Wrong, it was not Johnson who started it, I wish you morons would do some research if you spout off made up facts then you would not look so stupid. But you are right about one thing, the government has been robbing SS since the day it was implemented. FDR was the first to do it.
      • True Believer 7 mths ago
        Lyndon Johnson waged war on Viet Nam and poverty. Guess where the "Great Society" funding came from. BOTH political parties have raided the Social Security trust fund to pay for programs that they did not have the guts to tax for.
      • unemployed 7 mths ago
        Yeah, Lyndon Johnson and his Great Society. Here we are 40+ years later, broke, government in shambles, rampany unemployment and buffoons in charge.....all of them!!
    • Mark B  •  7 mths ago
      If the US Government had not raided the Social Security "Lockboz", then these retirements would have been far more favorable. The first use of this real Lockbox was for VA loans and schooling after WWII. This was the only fund left after a very expensive war. It was paid back but then looted in the 60's for the Great Society. The Iron Chancellor under the First Reich with Wilhelm I had a similar operation to the Chile method. Von Bismarck said that if someone had something to lose then the country's future became far more important. Also, then retirees would not be dependent on government and be in a spot to keep the economy going. Say what you will about the Germans, but they usually have great ideas with money, work, and the economy.
      • Juan 7 mths ago
        you got it right,lets hold congress accountable .They ok millions and billions of dollars toward pork programs why caint they redirect billions back into the s/s accounts..or is that too easy...congress will ok funds for wars in a new york miniute,and they just do nothing to save this very important issue...out of control...
      • MitchellB 7 mths ago
        Bismark didn't have a pesky parliament to deal with as he was accountable only to Wilhelm I. We Americans could indeed learn a lot from the Germans - they have a robust manufacturing industry employing union workers with high pay and generous benefits like free health-care and humane vacation requirements. Watching Jeffrey Immelt on 60 Minutes I found it remarkable when Immelt said he wanted Americans to "Root for GE" like the Germans "Rooted" for Siemens and the Japanese "Rooted" for Toshiba. What he conveniently left out was that Siemens and Toshiba exist within a social structure that doesn't actively seek out to grind down their employees for quarterly profits. Siemens doesn't fight to take away their workers entitlement to 6 weeks vacation every year. They don't seem to have a problem allowing their fellow citizens explore their humanity. Of course, the very notion of "fellow citizens" in the United States of America is laughable.
      • Carl 7 mths ago
        I hate to tell you both, but the German model sucks. I lived in Germany for three years and payed 45% in income tax. Not only did I pay that much income tax, everything has a 19% sales tax on it And the free health care they have? Nope, not free. You have a choice to pay either 12% or 14% of your income depending on which of the two insurance companies you want. The 12% company isn't accepted too widely. I was lucky because I didn't have to pay for my insurance because I was already insured through my wife with American insurance, which saved me approximately 500$ a month. And if you think their work model is better, you are seriously mistaken. Take a good hard look at their unemployment numbers. If we go to a German model, we will destroy our country faster than we are already....
    • harrison  •  7 mths ago
      Here is a good idea, make the government pay back the funds they borrowed from SS and then pass a law that makes it impossible to borrow or remove funds from SS. Then make all elected officials drop their private insurance plans and join the ranks of SS and medicare. If they leave office before they turn 65 they have to work, no more retirement programs across the board for any of them. Then we will see a better government. Plus twelve year term limits.
      • Buddy Gc 7 mths ago
        You know the only way the SS money Clinton stole is to have us give the government money to pay it back
      • Fred 7 mths ago
        Didn't Slick Willy run a surplus?
      • Markiss 7 mths ago
        great idea... unfortunately it's a TAX. the supreme court really let us down when they let that one pass. they can do whatever the hell they want with TAX money
    • The Derp  •  7 mths ago
      Bernie Madoff mismanaged billions and got life in the can.
      Our government mismanages trillions and gets trillions more.
      • Heather 7 mths ago
        Psychopaths do ritualistic male infant genital mutilation. You are mostly all psychotic you think it is OK to mutilate male genitals with out the consent of the patient. Do you have any idea just how sick your mind is? Sign the circumcision petition at the White House.
        Circumcision educational material and information at the The National Organization of Restoring Men Google foreskin restoration. Ignore all the mindless people that defend infant genital mutilation because they are sick twisted sociopaths.
      • Brad S 7 mths ago
        Heather is retarded.
      • ballie 7 mths ago
        I think Heather escaped from San Francisco
    • Richard  •  7 mths ago
      What the government really wants: When you quit paying taxes just die. They are like insurance companies, keep paying your premiums, but never file a claim.
    • lance  •  7 mths ago
      U.S. Economy and SSN problem: 97% of American Politicians are lawyers. They do not study business, economics, statistics, markets, finance, accounting. No different than why you don't see businessmen running courtrooms as judges. Unfortunately, lawyers are the parasites of society, they live off others. They do not produce anything only a service of sucking the life out of every hard working american.
    • RobertN  •  7 mths ago
      Social Security would be in great shape if the career bloodsuckers didn't use my money for any whim that comes along and to fund their own retirement. A fund they have never contributed to. Thieves.
    • Jack  •  7 mths ago
      social security would be fine---IF THE POLITICIANS STOP RAIDING THE FUND...why is it they never mention that...lol.
    • Ron J  •  7 mths ago
      Why don't they switch everyone to the same plan Congress pays into? Oh that's right those bums don't pay into Social Security or their own plan. They are 100% vested and all of it comes from the tax payers.....Prick$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
    • chad l  •  7 mths ago
      you really want to fix social security? then we need to have a vote to take away congresses pension. You really want to fix health care? the we need to have a vote to take away congresses health care.
      If we did that then both systems would be fixed in one session, and we'd be amazed at how well republicans and democrats can work together when it is to save their own butts.
    • Rowell  •  7 mths ago
      The ONLY problem with Social Security as it is right now is that Politicians can raid the Trust Fund to feed their pet projects, or use it as a general fund. If you stop politicians from raiding Social Security, and just leave it alone, it will be fine.

      So, instead of trying to re-invent the wheel or get more Americans to GAMBLE with their retirement savings in the stock market, just fix Social Security so that no legislator or executive can touch the Trust Fund.

      Simple and Fixed.
    • whitmsd  •  7 mths ago
      I keep hearing this word entitlement,the last I knew I was having social security taken out of my paycheck,so someone explain to me where entitlement fits in this picture.If it's a problem then quit taking out of my check and I'll invest where I see fit.
    • Joyce  •  7 mths ago
      Think maybe someone had better check their facts before signing onto something? Social security was never meant to be a cookie jar for the policicians to raid at will and fill with iou's. Anyone that expects to have something there when they retire should have it there. I am so tired of it being called an entitlement, it is a right not something given freely. We paid into it and only want it to do what it is supposed to do. The biggest entitlement program besides the fact that career politicians have their perks for life is war. How many companies depend on war to line their pockets?
    • Missy  •  7 mths ago
      The only reason SS is "broken" is because our govt chose to "break it". How about we take the roughly 1.6 billion dollars being spent every month on wars and put it back into the SS account until it is fully viable again.
    • GrayPanther  •  7 mths ago
      Does this mean people in Chile have JOBS to retire from?
    • chuckb  •  7 mths ago
      Instead of bank bailouts, put the money back in SS to repay the IOU's
    • vf  •  7 mths ago
      Duh- manipulation of facts: many people already have retirement accounts - they are called 401K's. I would be frightened by having to depend on 401k's - THIS would be a broken system - how many people do you know lost a lot of money in the stock crash on their 401K. Social security is not a broken system- it is a working system. End subsidies to large corporations and increase their taxes and you will repair the economy
    • marshall s  •  7 mths ago
      like i said if the government would just pay back what they have taken from social security over the years there would be no problem at all with it.
    • Danny M  •  7 mths ago
      put congress and the executive branch on SS, that will fix it!!!!!!!!!!
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