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    FACT CHECK: Republican debate strains some facts

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Michele Bachmann cast her opinion as a settled fact when she told the Republican presidential debate Thursday that a key element of President Barack Obama's health care law is unconstitutional. And Mitt Romney danced around an attempt to learn why he stayed largely mum on the epic debt limit standoff between Obama and Congress.

    The first big GOP debate of the primary season brought viewers a flurry of claims and counterclaims, not all built on solid ground.

    A look at some of those claims and how they compare with the facts:

    BACHMANN: Spoke of "the unconstitutional individual mandate" several times, a reference to a requirement for people to carry health insurance, a central element of the 2010 federal health care law.

    THE FACTS: Nothing is unconstitutional until courts declare it to be so. The constitutionality of the individual mandate has been challenged in lawsuits in a number of states, and federal judges have found in favor and against. The Supreme Court will probably have the final word. But for now, the individual mandate is ahead in the count. And the first ruling by a federal appeals court on the issue, by the 6th U.S. Court of Appeals in June, upheld the individual mandate.

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    TIM PAWLENTY: "To correct you, I have not questioned Congresswoman Bachmann's headaches."

    THE FACTS: Pawlenty was hardly dismissive when news came out about Bachmann's history of severe headaches, even if he did not go after her directly on the matter. "All of the candidates, I think, are going to have to be able to demonstrate they can do all of the job all of the time," the former governor said when first asked about the migraines suffered by the congresswoman. "There's no real time off in that job."

    There was no mistaking that Pawlenty was leaving open the question of whether Bachmann's health history made her fit to serve as president. But he later tried to clarify his remark, saying he was not challenging her on that front and the flap was merely a "sideshow." Bachmann says her symptoms are controlled with prescription medication and have not gotten in the way of her campaign or impaired her service in Congress.

    Related: Would you re-elect your representatives? Voters weigh in

    ___

    ROMNEY: on the last-minute deal to avert a national debt default: "I'm not going to eat Barack Obama's dog food, all right? What he served up was not what I would have done if I'd had been president of the United States."

    THE FACTS: Romney was defending himself against criticism that he took a pass when political leadership was most needed in the mighty struggle to negotiate an agreement to raise the debt ceiling. In fact, he was largely missing in the crux of the debate.

    Romney consistently backed a Republican "cut, cap and balance" proposal that would have combined deep spending cuts with a constitutional amendment to balance the budget. But that proposal had no chance of becoming law and settling the crisis, and leaders in both parties knew it. It was one of several initiatives brought forward by both Republicans and Democrats for show before both sides got down to the authentic bipartisan negotiations.

    During that process, Romney did not lay out a prescription that was achievable in a time of divided government. Supporting the earlier GOP bill was a far cry from stating whether he would have signed or vetoed the final debt limit legislation, because rejecting it risked an unprecedented federal default with potentially disastrous consequences for the economy.

    When he faced questions at his campaign stops, he said he wasn't privy to the behind-the-scene negotiations, and his campaign aides refused to elaborate on his thinking about the proposals in serious play.

    ___


    RICK SANTORUM: "The problem is that we have spending that has exploded. The government's averaged 18 percent of GDP as the percentage of the overall economy. ... And we're now at almost 25 percent. Revenues are down about 2 or 3 percent. So if you look at where the problem is, the problem is in spending, not taxes."

    THE FACTS: The former Pennsylvania senator might have been mixing statistics on federal spending with federal revenue. The White House budget office has estimated that federal spending this year will equal about 25 percent of the country's $15 trillion economy — the highest proportion since World War II. But federal spending has averaged nearly 22 percent since 1970. In fact, federal spending has not been as low as 18 percent since 1966. Since the 1970s, federal revenues have averaged nearly 19 percent of the U.S. economy. This year's revenues are expected to equal just over 14 percent of the economy, the lowest level since 1950.

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    BACHMANN to PAWLENTY: "You said the era of small government was over. That sounds an awful lot like Barack Obama if you ask me."

    THE FACTS: Pawlenty did not declare the era of small government over. (Neither has Obama.) Bachmann's jab was drawn from a Minnesota newspaper interview in which Pawlenty referred to a New York Times column on the subject, as part of his argument that "there are certain circumstances where you've got to have government put up the guardrails or bust up entrenched interests before they become too powerful." At the time, Pawlenty's office pushed for and received a clarification from the newspaper that he was relaying another writer's thoughts.

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    Associated Press writers Erica Werner and Alan Fram in Washington, Brian Bakst in St. Paul, Minn., and Philip Elliott in Ames, Iowa, contributed to this report.

     

    7,798 comments

    • Joshua  •  8 mths ago
      Climate Change "facts"

      http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=10fe77b0-802a-23ad-4df1-fc38ed4f85e3
    • Steven  •  9 mths ago
      I can choose to own or not own a vehicle and therefore to pay auto insurance. To drive is an activity controlled by the various states. But, to be told I must purchase insurance because I live, is overstepping the bounds of government into tyranny.
    • Steven  •  9 mths ago
      Perhaps someone needs to fact check Calvin Woodward of the AP. I know the media is seldom wrong but...
    • ShelleyH  •  9 mths ago
      look around your home for purchases you/ve made. I bet most of them are from China, India and other countries but America. Quit complaining about job creation unless the american people start buying american made products. That will create jobs in America, which in turn will employ people that pay taxes instead of collecting unemploymet insurance and off from welfare
      • Big Brother is a S. O. B. 9 mths ago
        American products are too expensive because of the UNIONS.
      • Webster 9 mths ago
        There's nothing made in american anymore.
      • BlakeR 9 mths ago
        How exactly do you buy products that do not exist? My Toyota Tundra was built in the US if that makes you feel any better.
    • Truth-b-Told  •  9 mths ago
      I the economy is in such bad shape, how is it that these politicians manage to raise so much money? Who is financing these guys? Follow the money, and you begin to understand whose interests these guys really represent.
      • AustinP 9 mths ago
        its true. Ron Paul is the only one who doesnt really get lobbying money.
      • Mark 9 mths ago
        Absolutely!! It's corporate special interest money...The last thing I want to see is ANOTHER CLOWN headed to Washington DC to be a puppet for corporate America!!!
      • Robert 9 mths ago
        AMEN!!!
    • Harvey  •  9 mths ago
      It’s not the presidential term limits we need to worry about, it’s the rest of the government that hangs on like leaches for 30 years and more and accomplishes nothing but sinking their tentacles deeper.
      Anyone that makes a career in politics can’t be trusted to always have the country’s best interest in mind, they get elected on lies and then immediately start voting on issues in a way that they think will help them get re-elected. It’s all a big dog and pony show that grows and gets more corrupt year after year.
      • Alicia 9 mths ago
        ron pauls been a congressman for 24 years, and is still doing a great job. but i guess mandatorily switching out the guys every couple years would make it easier for people to be paid off and swap em in as 1 term then bam never heard of again
      • Willy Maykitt 9 mths ago
        Don't like your rep? Vote him/her out. I like mine.
      • Daniel 9 mths ago
        Amen, Harvey. Preaching to the choir. Congress & Senate on both sides are too busy kissing up to the special interest groups & voting themselves raises to actually DO diddly - squat. America's burning, & they fiddle while watching the smoke rise.
    • Megadeth  •  9 mths ago
      The solution: Congressional Reform Act of 2011

      1. No Tenure / No Pension - A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they are out of office.

      2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

      3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan just as all Americans do.

      4. Congress will no longer vote to institute pay raises for themselves. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

      5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

      6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

      7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s) then go home and back to work.
      • Jenny-O 9 mths ago
        Agree.
      • Scythe Falling 9 mths ago
        Too bad that wasn't done years ago. :(
      • Erik 9 mths ago
        i think its the only way they will really get back to work...
    • Silent Majority  •  9 mths ago
      Tax Reform Now… “We the People and Small Business” are nothing more than an ATM machine for Big Business Tax-Breaks… General Electric makes $14 billion in profits pays $0 tax… they use one of their Tax-Breaks to relocate their factories to third-world countries, they hire third-world labor and they bring back their third-world products to sell in the U.S… their executives get bigger salaries, stock options and perks… they hire Lobbyists and contribute PAC money to the Politicians, who fight to make and keep their Tax-Breaks… these Big Business Tax-Breaks get shifted on to the backs of “We the People and Small Business” who cannot afford to lobby the Politicians…

      Other Fortune 1,000 Corporations taking advantage of Big Business Tax-Breaks… Exxon Mobil makes $19 billion in profits gets $156 million tax refund… Chevron makes $10 billion in profits gets $19 million tax refund… Bank of America makes $4.4 billion in profits gets $1.9 billion tax refund… Valero Energy makes $695 million in profits gets $157 million tax refund… Citigroup makes $4 billion profits paid $0 tax… and the list continues…
      • Edward S 9 mths ago
        For all of GE's dirty dealings the CEO (Jeffery Immelt) gets a position on Obama's staff. What does that say to ya?
      • N O 9 mths ago
        you forgot that they also received 3.5 billion from the American taxpayer.
      • N O 9 mths ago
        but I see stupid edward wants to blame obama, just no end to the right wing idiocy
    • Tim  •  9 mths ago
      Nothing is going to change until we force these lifetime politicans to accept term limits.
    • wachaluknat  •  9 mths ago
      Number one rule of politics......never let facts get in the way of a good punch line.
    • Mark Knight  •  9 mths ago
      I'm so sick of the presidential election being a big celebrity circus. We don't take it seriously anymore. I mean, these people are campaigning to RUN THE COUNTRY! But instead, the election process is just a glamorous, pop culture event.
    • Ryon  •  9 mths ago
      This is typical of American politics. We are fed misinformation by both parties. It is time that all comments by all politicians are questioned by the media. I am so tired of false information so politicians can get elected. This truly divides the country, polarizing the public.
    • bootsontheroad  •  9 mths ago
      I think WE THE PEOPLE know what the problems are. Not one of these hopefuls nor the moderator asked one question about how it should be fixed. I want to know what your plan is and how you will get us there. Quit tearing each other apart and give us your plan.
    • D. deC.  •  9 mths ago
      We know what Obama's been doing - so why do you waste time debating what hes doing now! You should be telling us what your going to do when you get in office!!
    • Steve  •  9 mths ago
      we borrow 40% of every dollar spent...if we didnt borrow another penny we effectivly cut the budget 40%...and still havent lowered the debt one penny...face it folks we have a revenue problem...the bush tax cuts are killing us
    • Red  •  9 mths ago
      Reinstitute the Glass Steagall Act. This crooks have ripped the masses of people off long enough went their phony bailouts and gambling debts. The only one who even touched on this issue was Ron Paul. This current monetary system is broken.
    • steve  •  9 mths ago
      I've got my shovel ready.... where's my job?
    • pip t  •  9 mths ago
      Notice How Ron Paul is not on this list..
    • Bert  •  9 mths ago
      Where is the plan to get America back to work?I don't care what any of these people have done in the past unless it directly affects the mess we have.Where are you going to cut,how much are you going to cut,will revenues need to increase,are you going to end the wars and make cuts to DOD.These are the things I want to hear.I could care less about I fought for or against this or that.
    • ElvisQ  •  9 mths ago
      One thing for sure - no matter who wins the election the office of President is now largely a ceremonial one. There is no power in the Presidency any longer just as elections no longer matter. We've replaced elections with the Soviet Unions' system of "approving" who is on the ballot. The real power is wielded by the men who are currently plundering the country while people repeat propaganda and think they're participating.
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