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    FACT CHECK: Romney struggles on jobs claim

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Mitt Romney took heat in weekend Republican presidential debates for his claims that he created great numbers of jobs in the private sector. Newt Gingrich, for one, said Romney's record as a venture capitalist was one of flipping companies, taking out all the money and "leaving behind the workers."

    Who's right?

    The bottom line remains unknown about how many jobs were gained or lost from Romney's work at the Bain Capital private equity company. But this much is clear: His accounting behind the assertion that he created more than 100,000 jobs at companies he helped start up or turn around has been flawed.

    A look at some of the claims in the GOP debates Saturday night and Sunday morning, about the candidates or President Barack Obama, and how they compare with the facts:

    RON PAUL: "I don't see how we can do well against Obama if we have any candidate that, you know, endorsed, you know, single-payer systems and TARP bailouts and don't challenge the Federal Reserve's $15 trillion of injection bailing out their friends."

    THE FACTS: There are no fans of a government-run, single-payer health insurance in the Republican field, despite Paul's suggestion otherwise Sunday. Gingrich once endorsed the idea of requiring everyone to have health insurance, and Romney introduced a mandate for health coverage as Massachusetts governor. But that's a far cry from a Canadian-style health system that makes government the primary payer of people's medical bills.

    TARP is the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program that was proposed by President George W. Bush and passed by Congress in 2008 to help rescue banks and other imperiled financial institutions. Nearly all of the money has been paid back, with interest.

    Paul's slam against the Fed ignores the fact that most of the $15 trillion he is talking about involved loans that were quickly repaid.

    ___

    ROMNEY: "But in the business I had, we invested in over 100 different businesses and net ... net, taking out the ones where we lost jobs and those that we added, those businesses have now added over 100,000 jobs."

    GINGRICH: "I'm not nearly as enamored of a Wall Street model where you can flip companies, you can go in and have leveraged buyouts, you can basically take out all the money, leaving behind the workers."

    THE FACTS: Romney has never substantiated his frequent claim that he was a creator of more than 100,000 jobs while leading the Bain Capital private equity company. His campaign merely cites success stories without laying out the other side of the ledger — jobs lost at Bain-acquired or Bain-supported firms that closed, trimmed their workforce or shifted employment overseas.

    Moreover, his campaign bases its claims on recent employment figures at three companies — Staples, Domino's and Sports Authority — even though Romney's involvement with them ceased years ago.

    By that sort of charitable math, President Barack Obama could be credited with creating over 1 million jobs even though employment overall is down about 2 million since he came to office. But Romney accuses Obama of destroying jobs while using a different standard to judge his own performance — cherry-picked examples that leave everything else out.

    By its nature, venture capitalism often results in lost jobs because profitability and efficiency are key to investors, not how many people are on the payroll. Bain Capital profited in cases where employment went both up and down.

    Staples, now with close to 90,000 employees, and Sports Authority, with about 15,000, were startups supported by Romney. The direct workforce at Domino's has grown by nearly 8,000 since Romney's intervention. But Romney got out of the game in 1999, which has not stopped his campaign from crediting him with jobs created at those companies since then.

    Romney toned down the braggadocio in the Saturday debate, saying that of the Bain-supported companies that grew, "we're only a small part of that, by the way." But he insisted his claim of more than 100,000 jobs was a "net net" figure that takes into account job losses elsewhere, even though his campaign has defended the assertion only by reporting on the performance of Sports Authority, Domino's and Staples.

    No one has been able to produce a full accounting of job gains and losses from the scores of companies Romney dealt with at Bain. But a Los Angeles Times review of Bain's 10 largest investments under Romney found that four of the big companies declared bankruptcy within a few years, costing thousands of jobs and often pension and severance benefits.

    ___

    PAUL about RICK SANTORUM: "So he's a big government person, along with him being very associated with the lobbyists and taking a lot of funds. And also where did he get — make his living afterwards? I mean, he became a high-powered lobbyist in Washington, D.C. And he has done quite well. We checked out Newt, on his income. I think we ought to find out how much money he (Santorum) has made from the lobbyists as well."

    SANTORUM: "When I left the United States Senate, I got involved in causes that I believe in.... I was asked by a health care company to be on their board of directors. Now, I don't know whether you think boards of directors are lobbyists. They're not."

    THE FACTS: Santorum was not, as Paul suggested, a registered lobbyist after he left the Senate. But Santorum did trade his Washington experience for lucrative work afterward, not unlike Gingrich, who has faced plenty of tough questions about money he earned from the corridors of power despite never being registered as a lobbyist.

    Financial disclosure records show that from January 2010 to August 2011, Santorum earned at least $1.3 million working as a corporate consultant, political pundit and board member. Santorum reported that the American Continental Group, a Washington lobbying group, paid him $65,000 in consulting fees. The firm's lengthy client list includes Microsoft Corp., Comcast Corp. and the American Gaming Association.

    "The senator did general consulting and provided his advice and opinion on which way the Senate may go, based on his record in the Senate and his history in leadership," said David Urban, president of American Continental Group.

    ___

    ROMNEY: "I was in a state where the Supreme Court stepped in and said, marriage is a relationship required under the Constitution for — for people of the same sex to be able to marry. And John Adams, who wrote the Constitution, would be surprised."

    THE FACTS: John Adams would be surprised to hear he wrote the Constitution. He was a minister to Britain at the time, after having been minister to France. He was not a delegate to the Constitutional Convention. He was, though, an architect of the Declaration of Independence. And he constructed the Massachusetts Constitution.

    ___

    SANTORUM, on Obama's approach to large street protests of the elections in Iran in which Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected over a perceived moderate: "We had a president of the United States who stood silently by as thousands were killed on the streets, and did nothing. Did nothing. In fact, he tacitly supported the results of the election."

    THE FACTS: Santorum appears to have substantially exaggerated the death toll, for which there is no authoritative estimate. Opposition supporters in Iran claimed hundreds may have died; the Iranian government claimed several dozen.

    Obama indeed reacted cautiously — tepidly in the opinion of critics. Wisely or not, he had reasons for doing so. Iran analysts had warned against overt U.S. support for Ahmadinejad's foes, saying such backing might taint them as well as give the Iranian government evidence that the unrest was caused by outsiders. Iranian opposition figures wanted distance from the United States over fears that U.S. support would impugn their credibility.

    Once the severity of the crackdown became known, Obama condemned the violence and said the Iranian government should respect the rights of free speech and assembly. When it became clear that opposition protesters were relying heavily on social media to get their message out and organize, the State Department intervened with Twitter to delay a planned upgrade that would have shut down the service in Iran.

    ___

    ROMNEY, on Obama: "He wants us to turn into a European-style welfare state."

    GINGRICH: "His desperate efforts to create a .... European model."

    THE FACTS: Republicans seldom make clear what they are talking about when they accuse Obama of trying to turn the U.S. into a "European-style welfare state."

    They no doubt are referring at least in part to Obama's health care overhaul, but that falls far short of many European plans of government-sponsored, universal health care coverage. There's little evidence that any of Obama's proposals are modeled on European laws, policies and practices. And in finance, European nations appear to be moving in the direction of an American model, with tighter restrictions on banking practices and deficit-reduction programs.

    ___

    Associated Press writers Nancy Benac, Charles Babington, Joan Lowy, Matthew Lee and Tom Raum contributed to this report.

     
    • aintnobodysbusiness  •  4 mths ago
      If there is anything that mitt is consistent in it's flip flopping
      he flip flops on issues
      flips companies for a profit
      and flops all over working people and communities
      • HOME MADE 4 mths ago
        if people could see the truth,thet would know that they are about to undo all rights given to employees ,including discrmimnation !Staples his pride and joy,may as well be his model for employment ,giant stores with one employee !!
    • Patrick  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  4 mths ago
      when you discount the facts, anything is possible and easier to asset and "prove."
      • aintnobodysbusiness 4 mths ago
        the gop way - discounting facts since the adoption of "the southern strategy".
      • a of o 4 mths ago
        GOP way "FAIR AND BALANCED" only to the right spin of it.
    • Steven  •  4 mths ago
      Romney, the 268 Million dollar hand-picked Big Business man.
    • Grace  •  4 mths ago
      Do these guys realy listen to themselves? They are so busy telling people what they want to hear that they forget about the truth, facts. Our country suffer from the hands of these self made millionaires who only think about making a buck and not the people. They have no idea of what American people need. How many of they would give up their fortune to save the country, none of them! Romney don't care about the American people. They are running on issues from 4 years ago, but what about the issues at hand. Will they continue to help their friends, themselves or the American people. Liars?
      • anonymous 4 mths ago
        Oh shut your pie-hole and quit blaming everything on the wealthy . Typical " the rich make me poor " drivel ' You don't "suffer" at the hands of these millionaires, you just are dying to find something to blame for your shortcomings.

        You are all the same---sit around, licking your wounds and playing the victim . There have always been wealthy people, there are wealthy people now and there will be wealthy people tommorow .

        And what do you mean when you say "the people " ? are they more human because they have less money than the rich ?
    • Timbo  •  4 mths ago
      How many jobs did Republicans create during the Bush years when they cut taxes on the wealthy? All that did was exacerbate the deficit which now, according to Republican claims, is a huge problem. You don't have to go back very far to examine the results of Republican economic policy to realize:
      1.They destroyed jobs rather than created jobs
      2. They took a budget surplus and turned it into massive deficits
      3. The only people who fared well were the richest 1% of Americans.

      Maybe you don't agree with Obama but if you are honest, Republican economic policy was a devastating disaster.
      • Tom Kennen 4 mths ago
        That's a fact
      • The Professor 4 mths ago
        The fact is the Bush administration had a net loss of 6 million jobs. The fact is the Bush tax cuts are still adding 424 billion dollars to the deficit every year. The fact is the Republican stance on not taxing the job creators is a mute point, since there dont seem to be any job creators these days. Maybe if we added the 4% tax to the millionairs then exempted the ones that created good paying permanent jobs, maybe just maybe they would START creating jobs.
    • Rasser  •  4 mths ago
      Romney was a corporate raider with Bain Capital. He liquidated American companies purely for profit, with a lot of those jobs going overseas. He is the type of businessman that did, and still are destroying businesses in America.
      • anonymous 4 mths ago
        Oh put a sock in it-will you ? You don't know what you are talking about.
    • Brendan  •  4 mths ago
      Santorum was hired because of his political contacts and influence, by a company that had an extensive lobbyist arm. I think yahoo may be trying to wriggle out of this one with semantics and vagueness.
    • Steven  •  4 mths ago
      Big time GOP Double Talk, if you buy this #$%$ then I got you a deal on some W. Va oceanfront property!!! LOL
    • pacman  •  4 mths ago
      Barack Obama is the most successful president we've had since FDR. He killed Osama Bin Laden, he saved the auto industry, he brought health care to an additional 40 million Americans and he is refusing to let the USA get sucked into wars all over the globe. What success has the GOP had? except to hate on Obama, despise the poor and the middle class, get tax breaks for millionaires, hate on and reject immigrants, stick their nose into women's bodies and attack Medicare and Social Security. The GOP won't be happy until all public sector workers are homeless and on food stamps. They despise the middle class. The fact that 50% of Republicans believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that global warming doesn't exist is just icing on the cake.
    • Dummya  •  East St Louis, Illinois  •  4 mths ago
      HOW do YOU spell "RACE to the BOTTOM???" GOPeee
    • rico  •  4 mths ago
      Romney struggles with his jobs claim because anytime someone actually looks at the details they find it simply is not true. Take Staples, they have indeed grown and consolidated the office supply business. How many jobs were lost when the smaller office suppliers sold out or were forced out of business by Staples (not saying Staples did anything wrong here, that is business, some one gains some one loses) . In the South East there used to be a company called Ivan Allen out of Atlanta had branch stores scattered around in 3 or 4 states, I honestly don't know how many worked on average in those branch stores. All are gone, so are those jobs which I do know paid better than Staples pays. Net jobs, NOT 100,000 by any stretch of the imagination. Many right wingers like to call Obama a liar, fair enough, why do they support someone with an already demonstrated ability to play fast and loose with the truth? Seems sort of hypocritical to me, sort of like going after Clinton for having an affair while you are busy cheating on your second wife who you married after cheating on your first wife.
    • oldsarge54  •  Marion, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      In the battle (or babble, I'm not sure which) for ideological pureness in the primaries, the Republicans are turning a lot of switch voters off. With the Tea Baggers demonstrating how well ideological purity works in the house, I'm get the impression that the Republican are unwittingly shooting themselves in the aahhh.. foot.
    • Greenstar  •  4 mths ago
      Romney is a corporate raider. Thousands lost their jobs when he and his pals took over their companies. Check the facts!
    • robertc  •  Leeds, Alabama  •  4 mths ago
      This group will not let truth or fact get in the way of anything they say.
    • Steve  •  4 mths ago
      Romney needs to support his claims of JOBS created with FACTS. Company's have tax records for number of employees.
      Newt needs to support his claims of removing money (flipping company's} by Romney business tax records will show this.
      WITHOUT facts, These 2 clowns are lying or joking!!! your pick.
    • RichardM  •  Rohnert Park, California  •  4 mths ago
      These guys should get together and get their facts#$%$ straight. What a bunch of lightweights.
    • Eric  •  4 mths ago
      romney made fortune sending american jobs overseas.google the truth
    • riteon!  •  Lake Havasu City, Arizona  •  4 mths ago
      Romney has about as much chance of winning votes from intelligent and patriotic amercian votes as Paul or Santorum would! He emphasies the total defunct and dysfunctional republican tea bag party that it has become. How any proud republican, of a patriotic sense of duty and commitment to the USA, can take pride and satisfaction in so many of these nominee's attempting to become the candidate for the republicna party, is beyond comprehension! Several times in our history of presidental elections, there have been in rare instances that a nominee would post election prove to have been a desperate and disatorous choice, but never in the history of politics on a natoional level have so many proven so profoundly incapable, so completely out of the realm of reality and of the opinions and thoughtful concens of the general population! The only apparent candidate of this republican primary attempt, is Huntzman, and he appears to be able and willing of compromising, willing to measure and consider both sides of issues with oppoents, both politically and philosophically, to attain acceptable political compromise to benefit the amercian citizens in every posssible way. To the extent he is the last one in order of preferecne for the republican primary, speaks loudly and forefully of the dysfunctional and ideology failurs of the the party! It sorely appears and is proven time and time again, the party has no concen for the prospects of the general public and benefit of all including the middle class and working families, their only concern is the bnefit and protection of those that control and dominate the finances and fourtunes of this great country at the expense of those from less fortunate and financialy endeavors, again the working middle class!
    • Baxton  •  Austin, Texas  •  4 mths ago
      "Santorum was not, as Paul suggested, a registered lobbyist after he left the Senate."

      No. He was a paid consultant to big business. He made a ton of money with his political connections in the interest of his employers. So, the idea that he somehow wouldn't be a president swayed by special interests is absurd. It's his profession. Clearly, he is going to side with big business over the American people on every occasion.
    • Dusty  •  4 mths ago
      Mitt Romney flees country for a 2-1/2 year vacation in France during Nam. Normal missionary work is in a third world country. His missionary work, on a beach in the south of France. Normal mission work is one year. Romney mission work 2-1/2 years while 1A until he could get a regular draft deferment.Then he's on the next plane home......Romney who believes in a strong military and will gladly send your sons to war. ( As long as he and his sons can stay home. ).......Romney who says VA benefits are too high and wants to screw up VA healthcare.
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