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    Fact Checking the Debate in Iowa

    Fact Check 1 - We’ll lose 1.6 million jobs over five years under the affordable healthcare act.
    Fact Check 2 - Newt Gingrich would build a colony on the moon.
    Fact Check 3 - Payroll tax cut: band-aid, gimmick or something else all together?
    Fact Check 4 – Romney’s record on the Affordable Care Act.
    Fact Check 5 – HPV vaccine vs. Romney’s health care plan. 
    Fact Check 6 – Palestinians as an “invented” people?

    Fact or Fiction Number 1 - We’ll lose 1.6 million jobs over five years under the affordable healthcare act.

    ABC News’ Amy Bingham reports:

    GOP presidential candidate Michele Bachmann came out swinging at the ABC News Iowa debate Saturday night, but rather than taking a jab at her comrades on stage, the Minnesota congresswoman directed her ire at President Obama.

    In her first answer of the evening Bachmann blasted the president’s health care legislation, saying the Affordable Care Act would kill 1.6 million jobs.

    “We can cut government bureaucracy, which is Obamacare,” Bachmann said. “N.F.I.B. tells us, that’s the small business agency, that we will lose 1.6 million jobs over five years if we keep Obamacare.  I want to — I am committed to repealing Obamacare.”

    The National Federation of Independent Business report Bachmann cites shows 1.6 million jobs will be cut because of the law’s tax increases and employer mandate. The report shows that more than 1 million of those lost jobs will be from small businesses.

    But an analysis by Americans for Tax Reform and the Beacon Hill Institute found that the act will destroy far fewer jobs, more to the tune of 120,000 to 700,000.

    Yet another report, from the Urban Institute, predicted the act “will not have noticeable effect on net levels of employment,” because while some provisions of the act will negatively impact employment, those cuts will be offset by increases in the demand for health services.

    Fact or Fiction Number 2 – Newt Gingrich would build a colony on the moon.

    ABC News’ Alexa Keyes reports:

    Romney’s first example of how he differs from Gingrich? Lunar colonies.

    Romney and Gingrich sparred early at the ABC News Iowa debate Saturday night. When pressed to name the issues on which he and Gingrich disagree, Romney jabbed the former House speaker’s ideas for space:

    “We can start with his idea to have a lunar colony that would mine minerals from the moon,” Romney said.

    This is not the first time Romney has taken issue with Gingrich’s proposal to start a permanent colony on the moon. In an interview with the Des Moines Register on Friday, Romney dismissed the moon colony and suggested that the country has “other priorities for spending.”

    Fact or Fiction Number 3 – Payroll tax cut: band-aid, gimmick or something else all together?

    ABC News’ Greg Krieg reports:

    To extend or not to extend? The debate over the future of the “Payroll Tax Holiday,” one of Washington’s most hotly contested issues right now, came to Iowa tonight. And like it has on Capitol Hill, it split the room.

    Three of the six candidates on stage –Mitt  Romney, Newt Gingrich, and Ron Paul — are in favor of elongating the holiday. Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rick Perry said they’d let it expire.

    Romney played both sides, saying he’d keep the provision despite it being “just a band-aid.” Bachmann, meanwhile, called it a “gimmick” and accused the three candidates on the other side of the matter of “standing with President Obama.”

    So is the holiday, which is set to expire on Dec. 31, a short-term fix, or does it prop up demand and with it, a struggling economy?

    Depends on who you ask.

    Economists quizzed by ABC News were pretty much split on the issue. Some said that in these tough times any extra money tends to be stashed away, saved for the many rainy days still to come. Others, noting the fragility of the economy, said that every bit helps. Less money in people’s hands means less spending, and less spending hurts the recovery.

    “I think that the economy is so fragile and the recovery is so weak that if the payroll tax is allowed to expire, you’d end up reducing money in consumers’ pockets and that would end up reducing demand,” said David Kautter, managing director of the Kogod Tax Center at American University in Washington, D.C.

    Andrew Biggs, resident scholar at the conservative-leaning American Enterprise Institute, disagreed.

    “This really isn’t a left-right issue, it’s just a question of how big an effect you think it’ll have and whether the stimulative effect is worth the cost. My guess is that it isn’t,” he said.

    Fact or Fiction Number 4 – Romney’s record on the Affordable Care Act.

    Mitt Romney tonight put out his hand and offered Texas Gov. Rick Perry a bit more than a handshake. Romney challenged Perry to a $10,000 bet.

    The hefty wager was offered after Romney and Perry disagreed – again – over whether the former Massachusetts’ governor removed a line about President Obama’s healthcare plan in his book, “No Apology.”

    “Rick, I’ll tell you what,” said Romney, sticking out his hand. “10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet?”

    “I’m not in to the betting business,” responded Perry, to which Romney laughed and said, “oh okay, okay.”

    “I’ll show you the book,” offered Perry.

    “I’ve got the book,’” Romney shot back.  Romney, in fact, does not gamble under the guidelines of the Mormon faith.

    Perry first accused Romney of altering a  line in his book in September, when he said that a line referencing Obama’s healthcare plan in his first version of his book was different missing in a later version.

    In the first version of “No Apology,” a line is included that reads:  ”We can accomplish the same thing for everyone in the country.” The line is not, in fact, in the later paperback version, which according to the campaign was removed because there was more information when the second version of the book came out. The line was originally written, according to the Romney advisor, before Obamacare was on the books.

    The first edition of Romney’s book was published in March 2, 2010. Obama’s Affordable Care Act was signed into law on March 23, 2010. The paperback version of Romney’s book was first issued in February of 2011.

    After the disagreement during tonight’s debate, the Romney campaign sent out a press released titled, “Why Rick Perry Didn’t Take The Bet” that included links to articles explaining the updated version of the book.

    Fact or Fiction Number 5: HPV Vaccine vs. Romney’s Health Care Plan.

    “And my view– you had a mandate in your state.  You mandate that girls at 12 years old had to get a vaccination for a sexually transmitted disease.  So it’s not like we had this big difference on mandates.”

    That was the comparison made by former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney to Texas Gov. Rick Perry at tonight’s ABC News/Yahoo! debate in Des Moines.

    So how do those two mandates compare? It’s a fair comparison.

    In 2007 Perry issued an executive order which made Texas the first state in the nation to require sixth grade girls to receive the HPV vaccin,a vaccine which prevents women from the sexually transmitted disease which causes cervical cancer.

    The executive order followed the recommended age of vaccination as set forth by a federal panel- 11 or 12 years old. The vaccine is strongly recommended by the American Cancer Society and the American Academy of Pediatrics.

    The order included an opt-out clause that allowed parents of daughters who would be effected by the mandate to request an objection affidavit form. According to the Texas Department of State Health Service immunization report from the 2008-2009 school year, less than 1 percent of students filed these forms.

    The Massachusetts Health care insurance reform law requires all residents of the commonwealth of Massachusetts to carry health insurance or pay a fine. Passed in 2006 the law also makes a few exceptions for small businesses and a couple other unique cases. Today Massachusetts boosts the lowest rate of uninsured residents in the country; 98 percent of those living in the commonwealth carry insurance.

    Perry’s executive order dealt with one specific issue, and only effected women in the state of Texas. The health care reform signed into law by Romney was broader in its scope. However, in the end, both were a requirement for residents of their respective states to address an issue related to their personal health.

    Which makes Mitt Romney’s statement a fair comparison.

    Fact or Fiction Number 6: Palestinians as an “invented” people?

    Newt Gingrich stood by the comments he made this week that Palestinians are an “invented” people.

    “I think that we’ve had an invented Palestinian people who are in fact Arabs, and who were historically part of the Arab community,” Gingrich said in an interview the Jewish Channel. “And they had a chance to go many places, and for a variety of political reasons we have sustained this war against Israel now since the 1940s, and it’s tragic.”

    While  former Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir said in 1969 that “there is no such thing as a Palestinian people,” it is not exactly a factual statement.

    Scholars assert that a Palestinian national identity began to solidify in the 1890s when Arabs in the region now known as Palestine revolted against the Ottoman Empire. While the revolt was eventually crushed, the clans that banned together later reemerged as a relatively unified Palestinian people.

    Gingrich also said at the debate that “every day rockets are fired into Israel.” That is true. Rockets are fired from Gaza to Israel on a regular basis. No Israelis have been killed by these attacks since Oct. 30 when one man was killed in the southern city of Ashkelon. Nine Palestinians were killed in retaliatory Israeli air strikes, according to the BBC.

    More recently, the Jerusalem Post reports that 18 rockets were launched at Israel from Gaza since Friday, but no injuries or damages were reported.

    The Israeli Defense Force struck back against Gaza with aircraft attacks on Friday and Saturday, which killed a Palestinian man and his 12-year-old son and wounded several family members, the New York Times reports. Also Read
     

    3,931 comments

    • Jerry Wheeeler  •  Loveland, United States  •  5 mths ago
      And yahoo news continues it headlong dive into the pablum of the new media.Propaganda did not die with the demise of the soviet union, it is alive and well in the good old USA
    • Its Bush's fault  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      How does everyone using Yahoo like the "YScreen" pop up at the bottom of the window. Yahuh knows how to annoy.
      • Dan 5 mths ago
        Anyone ever wonder how a comment posted 14 minutes ago winds up between two comments posted 18 and 20 minutes ago?
    • I am Godzilla  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Rue Paul 2012
    • John  •  Callahan, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Is it just me or did this article do almost nothing in regards to actually verifying the truth or false nature of the points addressed. At best a series of conflicting sources were offered as support. Then again the debate itself was pretty useless as well so I suppose the article fits the situation.
    • JimW  •  San Diego, United States  •  5 mths ago
      It seems to me that most of the "facts" checked by this article turned out to be true. The disagreements were on opinions.
      • Bill b 5 mths ago
        Jim. look up fact and then look up opinion.
        This is the big problem with Fox News they present opinion as fact
      • SingingHawk 5 mths ago
        Bill that's a load of BS.
      • burton 5 mths ago
        anyone beleives a republican or fox news is a fn idiot dems arent any better polititions today just want to get elected for the insider tradeing benefits america is fkd
    • The Final Word  •  5 mths ago
      Media manipulation is a fluid and opportunistic strategy. Any attempt at illusion succeeds based on misdirection and various forms of slight of hand. If you pay close attention you can often see the trend of the controlling entity and it's flavor of the week. Unfortunately, and this has absolutely nothing to do with political party, we on both sides of the isle have inadequacy and levels of incompetence that are so transparent that gimmicks and "strings" are being exposed in a subtle yet obvious manner. If you get 8 used car salesmen/women and let them debate you will after an hour and a half make up your mind that one is the best. But one question remains... would you take your hard earned money and spend it all on the advice of this individual. Has your trust been solidified? Do you really want further military intervention? Do you want further financial and societal polarization? Do you really give a rip about the middle east? The astute can see the fog in the distance and it is very bleak. We're being comforted with distractive focus on non-vital issues. One fact remains: politicians are hucksters with agenda based backing. To give them more credibility is to insult your own intelligence. And remember the final decision of selection is largely based in this instance on one defining factor - the vice presidential selection. Until these debates enlist less obviously vague and irrelevant questioning and unnecessary back and forth, they are little more than living with the Kardashians or Survivor... and there is so much at stake. And with Ron Paul... the most sensible, but remember what happened to the last RP... (Ross Perot). Got almost 20 million votes but didn't get one electoral vote. Stay tuned...
    • john s  •  Killeen, United States  •  5 mths ago
      A bucket full of idiots..a disgrace to the founding fathers and all unfit to hold any office....remind me of Hitlers inner circle without any brains..They will destroy the fabric of this country and profit from it
      • Sandra J 5 mths ago
        Gee, angry much John? If so, you qualify to be a liberal. Are you lazy and envious as well?
      • RealityCheck 5 mths ago
        Sounds to me like he's had plenty of experience with the current bucket on Capitol Hill and Pennsylvania Avenue. Every person in this nation has experienced the present inner circle of brains that have produced nothing but hot air and misery. Who has reaped all the stimulus profits? You need a fact check.
      • Brian 5 mths ago
        Hitler had more brains after he put the bullet in his head then all of these idiots combined!
    • richard g  •  Eugene, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Since when did accuracy and truth stop the Repugs? Dishonesty is a built-in trait and their sycophantic voters will vote for them as long as they get the requisite sound byte telling them to.
      • Flash Political 5 mths ago
        Actually, you need a history lesson.
      • cropperz 5 mths ago
        Richard,we're not all like democrats.
      • BARRY HAS GOT TO GO 5 mths ago
        gee richard head... get an education, and then come back to LISTEN to the adults to learn more.
    • Solar Child  •  Atlanta, United States  •  5 mths ago
      One failed rebellion against an empire doesn't for a "people" make a national identity and they
      subsequently came under the rule of Jordan and it is when Israel CONFLICTED with the state of
      Jordan that these people again submitted themselves "TO A LOSING CAUSE". They been members of empire and state and no other state on the face of the earth will claim them - except
      Israel. INTERESTING.
      • fitter 5 mths ago
        What?
      • bruce 5 mths ago
        Israel doesn't claim them. Give the Palestinians equal rights as Israelis. Further, the "Jews" of Israel are an invented people. They don't share an ethnicity, they are Russian and European and African. They don't share a religion, Jewish sects are so diverse that they are in constant conflict with each other.
      • G 5 mths ago
        No mention of the British Mandate. I smell bias.
    • Fletch  •  Fayetteville, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Ron Paul 2012
    • Robert  •  Washington, United States  •  5 mths ago
      After listening to the debates I have come to the conclusion that Ron Paul has been the only consistent one of the bunch. Unfortunately he is the Dodge to the Ford and Chevy. Please look at this mans views before casting your vote. Don't just vote for the lesser of two evils. We will never prosper if we just keep "settling"
    • TOM  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Maybe some one should fact check the president, lets see you that works out.
    • james l  •  Dayton, United States  •  5 mths ago
      why dont they ask them some tougher questions like how will they lead if the congress is majority democratic and the speaker says their goal is to get rid of them!!!!! do they think that the current state voter supression laws are fair???? and why??? if gridlock is in congress what is your plan to overcome it???? the country desperately needs more revenue, what is your plan to increase it and pay down this horrendous deficit???? why is it that all the sacrifices in our country are from the middle class and poor. they fight the wars and die while the rich get richer and greedier. why dont your kids volunteer to serve and why dont the rich volunteer to pay these soldiers for their service and injuries??? what would you propose to give these veterans their fair share??????
    • killer  •  5 mths ago
      So will the Ron Paul supporters vote for Newt or Mitt? Or will they vote 3rd party?
    • George  •  5 mths ago
      Gingrich has it backwards, the Palestinians established themselves as a group decades ago, it is the concept of "Arabs" that is the fiction. It would be like saying that there are no English or French peoples, just Europeans.
    • Tom Land  •  5 mths ago
      The republicans brainwash, much worse than just lying. Anyone not in the wealthiest top few % that thinks the republican party represent them are brainwashed - or just mentally unable to separate fact from fiction.
    • BobF  •  Richmond, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Looking at a few of the comments, I have to wonder how many of you actually watched the debate. You complain about media spin, but in the same breath insist on slanting everything toward your own preconceptions and prejudices. The very things we despise so much in our politicians and media are painfully evident in these posts.

      Just as a con man knows that the easiest mark is a greedy person, so the politician knows that the easiest voter to manipulate is someone who has already made up their mind. It would be very nice to have responsible adults, capable of working together, elected to public office. Guess what, people. WE need to be responsible adults first. We need to actually pay attention and engage in rational discussion about the issues.
    • Sir Loin  •  Westfield, United States  •  5 mths ago
      title of story is an oxymoron: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - that is kind of funny...

      still waiting on the zombie apokolypse
    • Leon C  •  Wexford, United States  •  5 mths ago
      We might have to fend for ourselves.
    • sniper assassin  •  Irvine, United States  •  5 mths ago
      these politicians are lining up for the top job and all but ron paul show they aspire to have the basic character required of the president of the most powerful nation on earth: (1) unequivocal support of israel, (2) willingness to deceive and twist the facts - of course national security secrets would require misleading the public, right?, (3) unconscionable ability to go to war - to risk the lives of american patriots and to kill other peoples who have become demonized as the enemy... including innocent "collateral damage" - all for the personal gain of the elites who own banks and arms manufacturers, etc. - but sold as for national security.
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