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    Faster-Than-Light Discovery Raises Prospect of Time Travel

    If a report of particles traveling faster than the speed of light turns out to be true, it will rock the foundations of modern physics — and perhaps even change the way scientists think about time travel.

    But don't fire up the DeLorean just yet. Physicists are skeptical that the tiny subatomic particles, called neutrinos, really are breaking the cosmic rule that nothing goes faster than light. And even if they are, neutrinos don't make the best vessel for sending signals to the past because they pass through ordinary matter almost unaffected, interacting only weakly with the wider world. [Countdown of Bizarre Subatomic Particles]

    So you may be able to send neutrinos back in time, but would anyone notice? "If you're trying to get people's attention by bouncing neutrinos off their head, you could wait for quite awhile," Seth Lloyd, a physicist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, told LiveScience.

    That hasn't stopped physicists from imagining the possibilities in a world where faster-than-light travel is possible. If the neutrino experiment is confirmed, it opens the door to at least sending messages through time using those neutrinos, physicists say. You might even be able to send messages to "past you" with neutrinos, one physicist suggests. Experiencing time backwards, once thought impossible, might be outside the realm of sci-fi, another imagines. Of course, this is all predicated on the finding being true — and it raises thorny questions of how the universe would work if people were able to go back in time and, say, erase their own existence.

    Physics shocker

    The news that European researchers had detected neutrinos traveling faster than light broke yesterday (Sept. 22), triggering both typical scientific skepticism and pure amazement in the physics world. In an experiment that zaps neutrinos from CERN in Geneva to the INFN Gran Sass Laboratory in Italy, scientists clocked the particles outrunning light by 60 nanoseconds over 453.6 miles (730 kilometers) — a neck-and-neck race to be sure. [Infographic: See How Neutrino Experiment Works]

    According to Einstein's Theory of Special Relativity, neutrinos shouldn't even be able to match light speed, much less break it. Neutrinos have (very small) mass, and as Einstein posited in his famous E=mc squared equation, mass is equal to energy. As something speeds up, its energy increases, too. Because energy is equivalent to mass, its mass increases. Now you've got a heavier object, so you've got to add even more energy to get it going faster. Before you know it, you need "completely unreasonable" amounts of energy to keep inching your object toward light speed, said Harvard University physicist Gary Feldman.

    "You keep accelerating but you just incrementally approach [light speed], so you have to add more and more energy to go faster and faster, but it becomes less and less effective," Feldman told LiveScience. 

    Some particles have been shown to exceed the speed of light when traveling in a medium rather than a vacuum, but neutrinos pass through the Earth as if it were a vacuum, so they shouldn't ever be able to zip past light speed. The buzz in the physics community is that they probably haven’t.

    "Even though the experimenters have done a very careful job and it's a very impressive paper … it was a very complicated analysis and there's always a possibility that there's just an error in what they did," Feldman said.

    One possible error could be in the calculations the scientists used to correct for the effect of the atmosphere in their experiment, Lloyd said. Light actually gets a bit bogged down when it isn't in a vacuum, while neutrinos zip through the atmosphere without any effect. It's possible that the CERN researchers miscalculated in correcting for the atmospheric effect and that neutrinos aren't actually going faster, but the light is just going a smidge slower than they realize.

    If it's true ...

    But if the results do hold, "it's major, it's humongous, it's the biggest thing in 100 years," said Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City University of New York.

    "You're talking about a tidal wave hitting physics if it's true," Kaku told LiveScience. "There are two rocks upon which modern physics is based. One is quantum theory and one is relativity. If one of the pillars falls, we're in deep trouble."

    What does that mean for time travel? In theory, it might be more possible than scientists had thought. Einstein pointed out that time is relative: As you approach light speed, your experience of time is not the same as it is for the folks chugging along at their usual speed. What feels like a second to you will feel like much longer to them. This idea, called "time dilation," spawned such sci-fi classics as 1968's "Planet of the Apes," in which what feels like 18 months to Charleton Heston and his crew is enough time for gorillas, chimps and orangutans to evolve language and complex societies back on Earth. [Top 10 Scary Sci-Fi Series]

    There are a lot of barriers to approaching light speed, much less breaking it, but if you could, you could theoretically experience time running backward, Kaku said. Here's how it would work: As you approach light speed, you might time goes slower in the outside world than it does for you. When you hit light speed, the outside world goes so slow in relation to you that it stops (again, in relation to you; people in the outside world feel as if time is the same as always). So if you could push past that speed limit, the outside world would be so slow as to be moving backward in relation to you.

    So far, this seems pretty much impossible, not least because some other side effects of faster-than-light travel should include reducing your weight and width to less than nothing, Kaku said. [Watch: Can You Time Travel?]

    If the neutrinos are actually going faster than light, though, it might be possible to use them to communicate with the past, Lloyd said. You could send off a faster-than-light message to someone moving at a rapid velocity with respect to you. They could then bounce the faster-than-light message back, and it would arrive before the signal you sent to them.

    One way to think of this is like a mirror, Lloyd said. You send a message to the mirror, and it reflects it back, but so quickly that "past you" is the one who receives it.

    Stuck in time

    But all of this is moot if it's only neutrinos that can be coaxed past the speed of light, Lloyd said. Because they don't interact with much, your messages would likely go unnoticed by past generations. An April 13, 1865, warning to Abraham Lincoln not to go into Ford's Theater the next day would pass through the president like a ghost. [Read: 'Time Traveler' Spotted?]

    Doing away with Einstein's theory would also complicate causality, the idea that things influence each other in chronological order. When you allow the past, present and future to interact, "that gets all messed up," Lloyd said, and you start to get paradoxes. A classic is the Grandfather Paradox: What if you went back in time and shot your grandfather, preventing your own birth and thus preventing yourself from ever shooting your grandfather?

    It's a headache, to say the least. And not all researchers are convinced that the finding, even if true, would ultimately overturn the well-tested, century-old Special Theory of Relativity that keeps things from getting so messy.

    "This effect is very small, it's two parts in 100,000," Feldman said. "If this is true, what it means is that there is some aspect of the Special Theory of Relativity that's been overlooked or not understood well, but I can't imagine that it really overtakes the Special Theory of Relativity."

    You can follow LiveScience senior writer Stephanie Pappas on Twitter @sipappas. Follow LiveScience for the latest in science news and discoveries on Twitter @livescience and on Facebook.

     

    35 comments

    • Norman  •  8 mths ago
      We are giving to much credit to a man who's been dead a while (A. Einstein) Time to push the boundaries of mankind imagination and go for it forget theories. Engage warp engine's, Warp factor one Mr. Sulu. Aye aye Sir.
    • larry1dart  •  7 mths ago
      Part of the problem with time travel is the creation of infinite numbers of timelines. For instance, the grandfather paradox. If you are in this timeline and go back in time and kill your grandfather, you won't just disappear. You were in a timeline that your grandfather didn't die in until you went back in time. At that point you create a divergent timeline from the one you are in and it co-exists at the same time as the one you were in. Do that enough times and you create an infinite number of timelines. Each one would have different histories and it wouldn't mean anything because the timeline you are in would seem to be the real one to you. However, that does open up a lot of interesting possibilities to do research. As far as sending a message to the past I would suggest a neutrino radio signal that would carry a morse code type of signal. All you need is to pulse the neutrinos and the receiver would catch it pretty easily. Just getting that receiver to the past though, that could be a little tricky.
    • Dec 23 2012  •  8 mths ago
      Cool maybe I can stop myself from lending my brother 20 bucks.
    • Dan  •  8 mths ago
      Interesting that this discovery corresponds to the new Fox Show Terra Nova where people from 2149 travel back 80 million years to that age of dinosaurs to re-establish humankind after pollution threatens humanity's continuing existance. Unfortunately the first episode was estremely annoying;
      Their guns don't work against dinosaurs. I don't understand this, maybe I missed some point in the storyline that maybe they don't want to kill the dinosaurs just drive the meat eaters off by tickling them or something.
      In an extremely dangerous environment, no one follows direction from authority. The leaders might just as well be talking to the wall.
      Most everyone has an annoying rebellious personality - which might be why they don't follow reasonable direction.
      We got the "kill off the black guy" cliche.
      In an amazing environment with all the probable difficulties of survival, the main storyline is teenage rebellion.
      No one seems to be doing any work - just getting themselves in dangerous situations and getting rescued or eaten.
      In any ecosystem, herbivores outnumber carnivores by at least 100 to 1, except on Terra Nova where most of the dinos appear to be carnivores - what do they eat?
      The threat of getting attacked and eaten is constant and sudden noises, moving bushes etc. soon gets tedious. Just how can a 3 ton predator sneak up on you through heavy brush?
      • NothingYet 8 mths ago
        Psst... don't tell... but ANYTHING can happen in a bad script!
    • Harry  •  8 mths ago
      The "discovery" must be confirmed by an independent group. This probably will take at least 2 years. The other side, if it is confirmed, is how does the particle accomplish the speed? It is quite possible that it moves through another dimension in a billionith of a nano second. On a macro image, say you were to pass into the "other dimension" and you kill what you expect is your grandfather. The effect on you would be nothing since the grandfather you killed was in another dimension. The number of dimensions could be endless or perhaps not another dimension but another universe. Quite likely the particle acts like the Chesire Cat and any path is possible.
    • Rabnud  •  8 mths ago
      Even if this is true (which is questionable), no one is about to go that fast or anything close to it. Einstein's theories also state that the energy required to accelerate to the speed of light increases exponentially, reaching an unfathomable, and thus unachievable level as you approach that magic speed. Time and interstellar travel - the staples of science fiction - will always remain that way.
    • Jim  •  8 mths ago
      I don't think this is true, wait for confirmation of "faster than light" at some other labs before you call your travel agent to book a "trip" !!! You know, you can travel pretty fast falling into a black hole, but it's a one way trip, you can never get out again !
    • ZudZ  •  8 mths ago
      Since time is a man made tool used for measurement, it isn't really there, right? It isn't tangible, it doesn't have any physical effect on anything. Length of existence and duration is what time measures. Those things are what effect us. Therefore, time is irrelevant. Absence of the measuring tool of time, we all continue to exist. I understand about Einstein's theory about the speed of light and the clock tower, but I don't see how "time travel" is possible.
      • NothingYet 8 mths ago
        Time is just as relevant as space. They are, actually, most likely, almost the same thing, anyway.
    • SiempreSuAmor  •  8 mths ago
      Einstein never put an exact figure for the "speed of light," only later did we find light to travel at 186,282 miles per second in a lab from an outside relative perspective. THE TRUTH IS THAT LIGHT TRAVELS INFINITELY FAST because it arrives at the precise moment it left no matter how far it travels.

      That is what Einstein meant when he said nothing can travel faster than the "speed of light" because obviously an object cannot arrive at a destination before it has ever left. These new studies do not disprove Einstein, quite the contrary instead, proving our modern fixed speed to be incorrect. The object arrived after it departed, therefore from the perspective of the particle, no time past at all, so theoretically, it still hasn't exceeded Einstein's theoretical maximum speed, who described light more correctly as being infinitely fast.
      • NothingYet 8 mths ago
        Light does not travel "infinitely fast". It just does not "measure" time by means of a clock. It does, however measure space by means of a wavelength. For any two points A and B you can give the exact number of wavelengths for a photon with any given frequency, thus the photon "knows" exactly how many wavelengths and how much time it took to get from A to B. Spacial and timelike distances are meaningful in special relativity, even for particles travelling at the speed of light... they are just observer dependent, the combined spacetime distance, however, is an invariant... even for a photon.
    • Anil  •  8 mths ago
      @Neandertaler - Now that sounds like a ral possibility. Also can somebody explain me as to why I can travel back in time if somebody found a particle speed fater than light????
      • eliaspratheep 8 mths ago
        Because it is the foundation modern physics that nothing can travel faster than light according to Einstein super relativity theory. Scinece world thinking that if something can travel faster than light then time travel will be possible. According to them whom belive that time travel will possible thinking... if anything get speed faster than light it will take no time to cover 300000 km. light take 1 second to cover this distance. they thingking if something pass objects more than light speed time will bounce back ward. how they belive that, with consider the planetery motion more than light speed greater speed. they think if some thing travel in that speed it will take no time to pass our existing time. that object can pass our existing time with out taking anytime. so they can look in to past and go to past. this is the theory stating time travel is possible.
      • ZudZ 8 mths ago
        I do not think time travel is possible, but looking back in time certainly is. When you look at the sun, you are seeing the sun as it was about 8 minutes ago. When you look at the stars, you are seeing those stars as they were millions of years ago. Even if we were able to travel faster than light, once we reached our destination, we would be current with the present local time.
    • NothingYet  •  8 mths ago
      The reasoning about time travel in the article is nonsensical. Just because neutrinos do not interact strongly does NOT mean they do not carry information just as well as any other particle. You would just need a much more expensive receiver to catch them all, but that is completely irrelevant for the sake of argument.

      The CERN neutrinos, for sure, didn't travel back in time. They merely seem to have come 60ns (or 18m) early in comparison to what was expected from photons! There can be any number of reasons for that. Leading causes, in my opinion:

      1) The time measurement is wrong. (Highly likely given how they define their timing.)
      2) The distance measurement is wrong. (Not impossible... their GPS measurement might simply have been off)
      3) These high energy neutrinos saw 18m less space between the two points than low energy photons would have! (That's new physics, indeed).

      Neither possibility 1, 2, or even 3 invalidates special relativity and even if we find new physics, it does not mean that time travel is any more possible than before.
    • Anil  •  8 mths ago
      Can I travel back in time if I board a Dreamliner??
      • Dan 8 mths ago
        You would have to get a rearward facing seat.
    • Frank  •  8 mths ago
      This is nothing new and hardly a discovery here people. This is just an example of shoty journalism. If this reporter would have spent a few minutes doing some online research, they would have realized what we are discussing is Cherenkov radiation, which was written up by a Soviet Physicist in 1934!!! I'm boggled they actually got quote from M. Kaku perpetuating this nonsense instead of clarifying it. SMH!
    • MikeG  •  8 mths ago
      So when can I send myself a message letting me know what the winning Powerball numbers are?
    • Solar Child  •  8 mths ago
      Anyone up to the task of redefining "time"? Not yet? Maybe, not moving "faster" than time but just more accurately defining time because the original relativistic definition was incomplete as a
      description of what is taking place. It may seem like a small or trivial thing but in high energy particle physics nothing is too small to be not considered.
    • Milton  •  8 mths ago
      Fermilab would need big turbo charging to match the experiment.
    • eliaspratheep  •  8 mths ago
      I think with all respect with the people create the time travel theory is big blunder! imagine the universe ultimate speed in our past decades is equal to speed of light. we can prove last decades with help of our honest people. the humen brain shall think if anything can travel faster than that that will be the key to past , because it is most fastest thing we can prove in that time. its is also the mother of all being with our knowledge. light is the form of energy we can measure it. its speed almost 300000km/s aproximately. one object can travel faster than that mean it will not affect or with come control of light. that will be indipendent in that sense the antinutrino have the major role in origin of univese. if light is present the mass less if we can say like that antinutrino have the power to overcome or undetect the light effect in the early universe. it is so powerful in the early univese that it will boom up and escape from the universal gravitational force and bounce around. to day we can also see this nature in this antinutrino. how it will help to us to understands the origin of univese. there we need to look at the light nature and antinutrino nature. these two things create one time with out nothing so how these can explain the existance of dark matter and dark energy. we get the answer.we can see light all around, ie; the matter we can detect all place the light is present. eg;univese have hydogen helium iorn why we can detect that it is the presence of light or light realated phinominas, why dark matter and dark energy we can not detect its becarse these two are invesly proposionl to do their role in origin our univese. i do belive we need to look at our physices tools sharply to obtain the truth about our univese.
    • Shawn  •  8 mths ago
      "it's major, it's humongous, it's the biggest thing in 100 years," said Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist at the City University of New York.

      Yeah, I get that a lot.
    • SYH  •  8 mths ago
      where is Einstein?? he should be cloned to solve this problem.....I would love to be part of a generation that experiences something as ground breaking as a redefining or a significantly deeper understanding of physics and the laws of the universe!!! AWESOME!!
    • eliaspratheep  •  8 mths ago
      If point A and B is at space how it will matter to time if one object past these two point greater than speed of light. how it will change the time existance. if it take no time to reach one point to another then there is no time if speed is greater than that then how time will bounce backward.if point A point B were consider point A no more matter to point B. point A will be history with consist to point B. Pleace explain how will affect the universe the speed of light in its existance, and time travel. I feel there is a huge mistake that people thinking time travel is possible. the speed of light we are using to calculate our time frame of our existance, i do not think that will affect anywhere if we obtaian that speed or more than that speed. I thinkd our calculations are wrong !
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