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    Financing battle emerges at climate change talks

    DURBAN, South Africa (AP) — International climate negotiators were at odds Tuesday on how to raise billions of dollars to help poor countries cope with global warming. A major shipping group is willing to help, endorsing a proposal for a carbon tax on vessels carrying the world's trade.

    Details of the tussle over the funding emerged as the U.N.'s weather agency reported that 2011 was tied as the 10th hottest year since records began in 1850. Arctic sea ice, a barometer for the entire planet, had shrunk to a record low volume, said the World Meteorological Organization.

    Putting the final touches on what's known as the Green Climate Fund is a top issue at the 192-party U.N. climate conference that was in its second day Tuesday in the South African coastal city of Durban, and one of the keys of a strategy to contain greenhouse gas emissions and keep global warming within manageable limits.

    The two-week conference is to finalize a plan on managing climate finances, due to scale up to $100 billion annually by 2020.

    The International Chamber of Shipping, representing about 80 percent of the world's merchant marine, joined forces with aid groups Oxfam and WWF International Tuesday to urge the conference to adopt guidelines for a levy on carbon emissions by ships.

    Details of any levy would be worked out by the International Maritime Organization, the U.N. agency regulating international shipping, the aid groups and the chamber said in a joint statement.

    "Shipping has to take responsibility for the emissions and get to grips and drive them down, and they see that the best way to do that it to have a universal charge applied to all ships that is going to generate billions of dollars" to fight climate change, Tim Gore of Oxfam said on the sidelines of the climate conference.

    About 50,000 cargo ships carry 90 percent of world trade, and most ships are powered by heavily polluting oil known as bunker fuels. Last July the U.N. maritime organization decided that new cargo vessels must meet energy efficiency standards and cut pollution.

    It was the first climate change measure to apply equally to countries regardless of whether they are from the industrialized or developing world.

    At the conference, differences came into focus over the Green Climate Fund.

    Delegations disagreed about how independent the fund will be, by whom it will be guided over the years, and whether the bulk of the money will come from public funds and government aid or from private sources and investments.

    A 40-nation committee worked on a draft agreement in several lengthy meetings over the last year, but a consensus at the final meeting last month was blocked by objections from the United States and Saudi Arabia. Now negotiators in Durban must settle the final disputes.

    "We are going to have a very thorough and open discussion on that very contentious paper," said Pedro Pedroso, the delegate from Cuba.

    U.S. delegate Jonathan Pershing said Monday the U.S. has "substantive concerns" about the committee's plan, but "we believe these issues can be fixed."

    Washington wants to ensure that private investments are not hamstrung by bureaucracy and that they can bypass any approval process by governments.

    The world temperatures report released Tuesday provided a bleak backdrop to negotiators seeking ways to limit pollution blamed for global warming.

    2011 has been a year of extreme weather, the WMO reported. Drought in East Africa has left tens of thousands dead; lethal floods submerged large areas of Asia; the United States suffered 14 separate weather catastrophes with damage topping $1 billion each, including severe drought in Texas and the southwest, heavy floods in the northeast and the Mississippi valley, and the most active tornado season ever known.

    "The science is solid and proves unequivocally that the world is warming," said R.D.J. Lengoasa, the WMO's deputy director, and human activity is a significant contributor.

    "Climate change is real, and we are already observing its manifestations in weather and climate patterns around the world," he said.

     

    53 comments

    • FREEDOM NOW  •  5 mths ago
      International Climate Negotiators. Translation of that term? INTERNATIONAL WORLD POL POT COMMUNIST DEMOCRATS.
    • CommonCents  •  5 mths ago
      And now the true battle for Global Warming begins..How and from where they will bilk people out of money....
      • pdt 5 mths ago
        It's amazing how people with pen names like "CommonCents" never seem to have any common sense.
      • A. Opinion 5 mths ago
        @Pdt

        Is it common sense to waste money on an unproven hypothesis, and make energy more expensive, when it will cause real suffering now?
      • Ed Casner 5 mths ago
        PDT- Show me how CO2 manages to transmit IR toward the earth's surface, yet trap it exiting the earth's surface.
    • burger6644  •  5 mths ago
      Welcome to another day of the OBAMA Economy. Spreading the misery around. LOL!!!! How is that "Jobs Council" and "The KAmerica competitiveness council" doing? LOL! How many stupid Councils, commission, and czars does this idiot need? Just talk to people who actual run a business for change. LOL!
      • whatever 5 mths ago
        Yes, and now everything is so transparent,not....
    • Richard  •  5 mths ago
      International Climate Negotiators? The goal isn't the climate, the goal is to see how much money these guys can squeeze from the US. The US is the world's sucker.
      • pdt 5 mths ago
        Since the US spends less on foreign aid tham most western countries _ as a percentage of GDP _ what is your evidence for this inane statement?
      • not-that-stupid 5 mths ago
        Pdt. The evidence is that they want to tax the whole world for "Breathing" or rather exhaling. This is to setup a world government. It plainly states they want a "CARBON TAX" you #$%$ Global warming is a fraud to set up a world government. Did anyone mention "who" gets the tax revenues? It is the same #$%$ international central bankers that are now collapsing the "world economy".Some people are just too #$%$ stupid! You are one of them!
      • geniusandinsanitywalkdown ... 5 mths ago
        we give money, food, education and medicine (but if you only count the money, it sure makes us look bad)......We pay for the UN, we pay 18% of the IMF total annual budget, but you hate whitey people and thus you are blind to anything we do that is good....
    • Dicky  •  5 mths ago
      More redistribution of evaporating Western wealth, the shrinking working & middle class of the west that is.
      • whatever 5 mths ago
        Yes while we pay their pensions.
    • HannaH  •  5 mths ago
      Yes I understand it's getting much hotter for the farmers in South Africa. For the first time in South African history. They had to import food. So now food is more expensive in South Africa for the poor because of the heat. Oh yes the heat for the farmers is that racist dogs are murdering white farmers. Same time cutting their own nose off. Any politician who wants to lose his office. Can vote to give money because of global warming the sky is falling mentality.
    • chilly  •  5 mths ago
      every time we give these country's funding it comes back as blood shed and war. global warming has holes in the story. plugging them with money is not a solution. its just another bully group removing our rights and money.
      • not-that-stupid 5 mths ago
        It is a TAX for breathing. Nothing more! But WHO gets the tax? World Banksters. Do you want a government by the banks for the banks and by the banks? If not, you had better get to making phone calls, protesting, writing letters, making phone calls and even throwing a fit in the middle of the street.

        I told EVERYONE that global warming was a fraud to setup a world government, and now it is happening. Look up who gets the money? it is not 3rd world countries, it is the IMF! Look it up.
      • geniusandinsanitywalkdown ... 5 mths ago
        Notice how they say the problem is so severe that fewer than 20% of the world's nations are expected to make any changes.
        .
        The original Kyoto Protocol let most nations do NOTHING while only 37 nations were required to do anything.
      • whatever 5 mths ago
        We are on the verge of running out of food, and it has nothing to do with climate change.Because where it has become bad in one area it has become better in other areas for farming.It has always been that way.Yet if a area is rich in farming you see houses built on every inch sooner or later.But yah know the Gov. wants to cut into your grocery money, while they waste carbon on another jet to go to another meeting on how to save carbon.
    • IslandGirl  •  5 mths ago
      It's all about the money. Who gets it, and who has to give it. I predict more money will be flushed down this "green" rathole (ala Solyndra), and a lot will be said but very little will be actually done.
    • SA  •  Bellevue, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Ok now that really makes sense lets see collect a tax on ships for burning heavy crude! ok then where does the $$$$go and how in the heck does that do anything about the worlds climactic changes?? Looks like smells like another way to scam the rest of the world to pay for something that no one can actually do anything about! The changes are not something you can undo,you might at best affect it some but too little too late!! for being real the weather and other changes in the earth are the real changes not something we can call back by charging $$ for certain fuel uses! Quit cutting down the rainforests in other parts of the world changes the winds the weather thru different types of terrain /less rain where there is no forests in south america....more where the forests are denser,change that it might help....yeah i know not the answer everyone wants ! you are entitled to your thoughts too!
    • Mark  •  Portland, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Scientists are not only hiding the fact that earth has been cooling recently...they also are in denial over the effect of COSMIC RAYS. Cosmic rays impinge on Earth's atmosphere, indirectly seeding cloud condensation nuclei. The rays are moderated by the Sun and Earth's magnetic fields. By controlling the amount of low-level clouds, the albedo of the planet is directly controlled. This is a no-brainer...the more sunlight the Earth reflects, the cooler it will be.
      CO2 acts as a moderator, dampening temperature swings. It is NOT the primary driver of the climate.
      Read -- The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change. by Henrik Svensmark.

      The theory is explained in depth in the book, along with fascinating proof that scientists are apparently afraid of.
    • Mike  •  Anderson, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Let's raise money so it can be sent to the kleptocrats that run all African countries, among others.
    • We the People  •  Minneapolis, United States  •  5 mths ago
      The continuous shakedown attempts directed at the US continue.
    • TDL  •  5 mths ago
      Nothing more then wealth redistribution using the scare of humanity induced global warming from people looking for the spot light and 15 minutes of fame while fleecing the masses of their hard and well earned income and governments of grant monies, you can thank jerks like Al Gore(one of the nut jobs looking to cash it on this hoax) for this nonsense. Disclaimer; yes humanity is damaging the environment, but not like the Chicken Little's, of humanity induced global warming, are squawking. These nut jobs are only making the masses desensitized to an issue that is going to be a problem in the distant future. When the doom and the demise of Earth does not come to pass as these nut jobs say, is happening and just around the corner like they claimed back in the mid 70's that we were heading to an ice age for the exact same reasons that today they believe we are heading to an overheated planet Earth, the masses will simply ignore them in the future when finally we will need to listen to them. The people who believe humans are a cancer to planet Earth are these same nut jobs and should not be allowed to make decisions about the actions and direction concerning what should be humanities stewardship of Earth. For you nut jobs that will post negative responses, all I have to say to you is; you don't read very well and you don't understand what you read!
    • Mark  •  5 mths ago
      It's amazing....we'll sell out to anyone over anthing. Where is national pride? When will we quit taking responsibility for all the world's ills? Let the fearmongers whine. The Earth is self-regulating and human life is expendible.
    • Dicky  •  5 mths ago
      The models are not actually models you know they are spherical crystal devices that when hands are laid on them a swirling mist reveals what will be happening in the future, failing that the backup system is used which employs a china teacup and some old fashioned tea, not the baggy stuff and voila predictions that would have as much bearing on reality as a climatologist riding the train of plenty.
    • Lyle  •  5 mths ago
      Follow the money trail.......
      If all of these scientists said there that there was no global warming, would they still be getting government grants?
    • poker11  •  5 mths ago
      Pay for a global warming study and you will find results for or against based on your funding. Most global warming "SOLUTIONS" turn out to be nothing more than a cash grab from developed to non developed countries. That is no solution, and since China is not signing up for anything - most everythign is pure bunk.

      My suggestion is to focus on things that we all can benefit for and agree on - like for example saving the trees / rainforests.
    • Ed R  •  Southfield, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Jeeze, it's hot in East Africa and flooding in Asia. That's never happened before.
    • GWISAHOAX  •  Minneapolis, United States  •  5 mths ago
      Oxfam is a bunch of communists and guess who is running the show. This conference has absolutely nothing to do with climate change and everything about redistributing wealth.
    • jeff  •  Hartselle, United States  •  5 mths ago
      "tied as the 10th hottest year since records began ..." That means absolutely nothing
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