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    GOP adds constitutional amendment to budget fight

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Congressional Republicans are rallying behind a long-shot bid for a constitutional amendment requiring a balanced budget. But they're divided over conservatives' efforts to demand its passage as their price for backing any increase in the government's borrowing limit.

    Right in the middle of their brawl with President Barack Obama over extending the debt ceiling and hacking trillions from projected deficits, GOP leaders are forcing House and Senate debates next week over similar amendments requiring the budget to be balanced, starting no sooner than five years from now. Reflecting tea party clout, both measures would also sharply curb Congress' ability to raise taxes and spending.

    Constitutional amendments require two-thirds majorities to clear each chamber of Congress, meaning it will be difficult for the GOP to prevail. Republicans hope the debate will highlight their commitment to smaller government and — with polls showing public backing for a budget-balancing amendment — provide fodder to embarrass opponents in next year's elections.

    "It certainly will show who's really serious about trying to get spending under control and who isn't," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, a leading sponsor of the Senate amendment, which is backed by all 47 Republican senators. "If that's all it accomplishes, it will be a good thing."

    Democrats and other critics say the amendment is little more than political posturing that impresses voters but still leaves lawmakers facing painful decisions about which programs to cut or taxes to increase.

    "Politicians use them to sound like they're doing something substantial on the deficit when in fact they're not," said Robert Bixby, executive director of the nonpartisan Concord Coalition, which advocates balanced budgets.

    Some GOP lawmakers want to go further, saying that unless Congress first approves a balanced budget amendment, they won't vote to increase the $14.3 trillion ceiling on federal borrowing. The Obama administration says that must happen by Aug. 2 to avoid a catastrophic first-ever federal default.

    Supporters of that linkage rank among Congress' most conservative lawmakers, many of whom were unlikely to vote to extend the debt limit anyway. Even so, the move underscores fault lines between the GOP's most right-leaning segments and the rest of the party, even as Obama and congressional leaders see if they can salvage a compromise over the debt.

    "It shows how typically weak most politicians can be when it comes to these sorts of issues," tea party-backed freshman Rep. Joe Walsh, R-Ill., said of the scant support for conditioning a debt limit extension to passage of a balanced budget amendment. "This is serious business. I don't think most Democrats understand how serious the spending crisis is, and unfortunately I don't think most people in my party yet do."

    As of Wednesday, 12 senators and 36 House members had signed a pledge promising to oppose any debt limit increase unless there are deep spending cuts, budgetary caps that enforce limits on spending, and congressional passage of a balanced budget amendment. Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, has introduced legislation cutting spending and requiring approval of a balanced budget amendment before the debt limit can be increased, and House Republicans plan to unveil a similar measure soon.

    The "cut, cap, balance" pledge, which is being lobbied by scores of conservative and tea party organizations, has been personally opposed by conservative House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va. Since Democrats have enough votes to defeat a balanced budget amendment, Cantor says he doesn't want to sign a pledge that could therefore force him to oppose a debt limit agreement he might otherwise favor.

    Twenty Democrats would have to vote for the amendment for it to receive the 67 votes needed to clear the Senate, which seems unlikely. Democrats are likely to propose their own less restrictive version, as they did in 1997 when a GOP amendment failed by one vote.

    The House, where 290 votes will be needed for approval, has 240 Republicans.

    As next week's showdown approaches, heavy hitters on both sides have begun weighing in. White House spokesman Jay Carney said Wednesday that a balanced budget amendment is "about ducking responsibility rather than taking our challenges head on." House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, said the measure would ensure that "spending restraints are set in stone."

    Republicans say the amendment would force lawmakers to confront growing federal deficits expected to easily exceed $1 trillion once again this year. And, they say, it would make them do it in a fiscally responsible way by requiring approval by two-thirds of the House and Senate to raise taxes or to let federal spending exceed 18 percent of the overall economy, which this year is about $15 trillion.

    "The point is to live within your means," said Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., chief sponsor of the leading House version.

    Democrats, who voted strongly against balanced budget amendments the last time Congress considered them in the 1990s, seem even less inclined to support them now.

    They especially dislike the new provision limiting expenditures to 18 percent of the overall economy. Government spending has not been that low since 1966, when Medicare and Medicaid, the giant health insurance programs for the elderly and poor, were just starting and the U.S. population was younger and smaller than today.

    "Maybe they haven't heard about the baby boom generation," said Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, noting the added federal costs those 77 million Americans are incurring as they begin to retire.

    In another indication of Democratic skepticism, Rep. Mike Ross, D-Ark., a leader of the two dozen "Blue Dog" moderate Democrats, said the provision capping government spending suggested that Republicans are aiming to force cuts in Medicare and Social Security. Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., a moderate facing a difficult re-election battle next year, said he favors the concept of a balanced budget amendment but worried about Medicare cuts the GOP version might force.

    Republicans say they want to strengthen Social Security and Medicare.

    Goodlatte's balanced budget amendment has 133 co-sponsors, nearly all of them Republicans, according to the congressional database. A less stringent version by Goodlatte that is identical to one that passed the House in 1995 — without this year's restrictions on tax increases and spending — had 221 co-sponsors.

    Constitutional amendments do not need the president's signature. Once they pass Congress, they must be approved by three-quarters of the states.

     

    8,596 comments

    • Russ  •  10 mths ago
      I'm starting to think we as private citizens should be allowed to sue the govt for all that SS money being taken from my paycheck. It's MY god #$%$ money that I am supposed to be able to retire on, NOT your god #$%$ money to throw at Pakistan for aid or at some stupid "we just have to have this new technology" #$%$ or whatever the hell your dipping your blood stained hands in it for. I pay my stinking taxes and that should be enough you god #$%$ crooks. Those bloody Congressmen answer to US the citizens, and we should frickin hold their #$%$ to the fire. You do what I tell you to do, not some stupid organization based out of Wash. DC that could care less about me and the people I call neighbors. You do what I tell you to do Mr/Mrs Congressperson not what your stinkin bloody party wants. You don't work for them, they didn't vote you into that stinkin office you hold I DID.....WE DID. Fix this crap or your fired you uncaring #$%$ in Congress. That goes for both parties...fix this budget junk or your fired.
      • Prometheus 10 mths ago
        Your remark arises from ignorance, Russ. Social Security is NOT running a deficit. Social Security does not CONTRIBUTE to the deficit. Social Security was, is, and remains the best administered and most successful government program ever. My guess is you never READ ANYTHING, and when you watch "news," it is always FOX. Moreover, go ahead and destroy Social Security -- I'm already collecting, after years of contributing -- and, Russ, the time comes sooner than you think. Apparently, you've already shot yourself in the brain -- might as well put one in your foot, as well.
      • Russ 9 mths ago
        have you looked at the amounts we owe? Have you looked at WHO we owe? Yes we owe the communists of China a trillion +. The biggest.... I will call it "institution"...that we owe is the American ppl. Social security is a wisely thought up idea that has been corrupted by the politicians in DC.
        And I am not sure where u come up with the idea that I said SS is contributing to the deficit, and anyone who thinks it is.... is a fool (I don't see the word deficit until you wrote it in your reply). You have not read the depth of what I was meaning by my anger. Your shallowness and your inept remark show the depth of your knowledge of why people are constantly talking about...is SS broke? Matter of fact I just re-read my statement and do not once see me say ....SS contributes to the deficit. Not once. The pool of money that is supposed to be for SS has loopholes in it that allow for dipping into the fund and using the money for other things...purposes....items. This should not be allowed for any reason. That is what I mean by saying what I did. Those loopholes are why funding in SS is called to question. The only thing SS should go to is for retirement pay, and nothing else. Period.

        The other portion of my statement alludes to the people in Congress should not "vote the party line". They should vote the way the people in their district want even if it is contrary to the party line. A political party should not dictate what a member of Congress says. The people that put the person in the place they are should dictate the vote that the Congressperson casts.

        And by the way, your little FOX comment cracks me up. FOX is a group of bigoted unintelligent fools. You may fit in well with them.

        And since you are accusing me of not reading you may want to double check your ideas before you prove yourself an uneducated fool. You have not countermanded any idea that I stated, nor have you said....this is the proof of why you are wrong. You simply did not back yourself up. Your lack of making a concise argument makes what you say baseless and pointless. Defend your argument like someone with half a brain and you may get respect. Until then you are just like every Republican out there...screaming that something is wrong and not coming up with an idea on how to fix it.
    • Scotty  •  10 mths ago
      There's one flaw with this move to a constitutional amendment. And that is that the government doesn't even follow the CURRENT constitution.
    • ahkmed_the_dead_terrorist  •  10 mths ago
      Owlvee ? , what do you think about if the House an Senate still get their checks ?, i don't know but nothing surprises me in D.C. i would say it is kept quiet an they do get paid , using the argument they are tied up an cannot leave town cause like right now all these discussions going on . I cant beleive more people have not made a big stink about the talk of a career politician being the most corrupt in D.C. , limit their time as a lawmaker to a total of no more than 8 years , 2 terms , however they want to word it . This would most certainly limit the time it takes to buy the soul of a lawmaker by lobbyists. an keep the power of congress an senate at an equal balance on seniorty ....anyone else got a idea?
      • MadHatter of Wall Street 10 mths ago
        THEY DONT CARE,these morons are paid on a different standard,,,its call A PIRATES LIFE FOR ME...
    • cjk  •  10 mths ago
      Anything at all to actually look as if they are doing something, when the truth is they know this will not pass. Posturing and political crap. Suddenly the GOP is all about restraint?? Give us all a break.
      • Michael 10 mths ago
        Who cares if it is posturing. GET IT DONE.
      • don * 10 mths ago
        lmao...after two yrs of adding trillions to the debt all of a sudden obamka is fiscally aware? lmfao this is all about his getttingh relected and you dems are stupid enough to fall for it.
      • Lutafistacious 10 mths ago
        Yeah, give us a break and pass the ammendment already. If the GOP wants to make "amends" for their past errors, let them.
    • Robert  •  10 mths ago
      The spend and borrow mentality of the GOP is why we are in this position. The time is now for a constitutional amendment banning republicans from any office higher than state government. Then maybe we can get this country back on the right track. When it comes to national politics the GOP just don't have a clue.
      • Tell ya later 10 mths ago
        Well let's see. In 2006 when the republicans last controlled the govt. We had a 186 billion dollar deficit. Deploreable then. But after Pelosi, Reid, Obama what do we have. Talk about spend and borrow mentality. Both parties should be ashamed, but Dems have no legit argument.
      • Lutafistacious 10 mths ago
        So let the GOP fix what they did wrong, and pass the darn ammendmant already!
      • Butch 10 mths ago
        robart is a barely functioning ret-ard if he thinks republicans are the ones who want to spend uncontrollably. not only that but there IS no republican/democrats anymore, just whoever the banksters have already bought. its idiots like him that allow politicians to divide our nation because hes too stupid to think for himself. he just wants to ensure his next welfare check is there on time.
    • J.C.  •  10 mths ago
      I see a lot of liberals apparently slept through seventh grade civics class. Congress controls the budget, NOT the President. Reagan had Democrat-controlled Congresses throughout, Clinton had a Republican-controlled Congress for his last six years, and George Bush had Pelosi and Reid in charge of Congress from January 2007 onwards. The deficit under the last Republican-controlled Congress before Pelosi/Reid was $161.5 billion (FY2007). Now it is close to $1.5 Trillion, for the third year in a row.
      • A Yahoo! User 10 mths ago
        Democrats cut everyone of Rayguns budgets.
      • BulletBob 10 mths ago
        We can all thank the Wicked Witch of the West and the Cowardly Lion for their share of that. In the future we are looking at them spending billions more so they can get their Dream Act passed. Hell, the way they are going we Americans will be illegal aliens in 10 years. Is it possible that Nancy is suffering from dementia and that's her dream? I know it's not the dream of the majority of tax paying legal U.S. citizens.
      • JoJoJams 10 mths ago
        Shhh!!! DOn't confuse the far-left with actual facts!! Bursting a bubble can create great psychological damage to their self esteems!! Now for the far-right!!! bwahaahah!!!
    • don *  •  10 mths ago
      We need that ammendment. The only way washington is going to balance the budget is if they don't have any choice in the matter.
    • Paul  •  10 mths ago
      Maybe this group of elected officials should not look into adding a constitutional amendment to our constitution. They can't even balance the budget with out any arguments. Do you think they lknow what they are doin?
    • Benjamin Mitchell Davidso ...  •  10 mths ago
      Should have had this during the Bush presidency. Sends the military to war ... gives the rest of Americans a tax cut so they can go to the mall. Bye ... bye "surplus". Hello HUGE deficit. Anybody remember any of these guys speaking up back then?
    • GolfingSusan  •  10 mths ago
      After Bush spent us into trillions of debt, you Repukes have nerve! Where the hell were you when he was spending like a drunken fool? I know, backing his spending! Idiots!!!
    • Dr Cj  •  10 mths ago
      HOW can it be possible for ANY DEMOCRAT to be against a balanced budget ...
      .
      disagreeing with it is nothing more than politicking partisanship ... every state has a balanced budget as part of theirs, some yearly, some every two, etc ... what possible argument could someone ... anyone ... have against a balanced budget amendment ...
    • John Adams  •  10 mths ago
      What a bunch of woses those re-Publicans are. Thet can't compromise so they're going to hide behind a useless vote. They must think we're all 'stoopit'.
    • MadHatter of Wall Street  •  10 mths ago
      This is out OF HAND...TO MR PRESIDENT,AND ALL THOSE FAT REAR END SITTING IN WASHINGTON EATN AND LIVING LIVE OF A SULTAN. You all will see the 2nd American Revolution up front. MR LET SS BE REMOVED, I WILL PACK MY BELONGINGS AND MOVE IN WITH YOU ANSD YOU CAN SUPPORT ME YOU HAVE THE MONEY LIKE THE REST OF YOUR FELLOW ROBBER BARONS I DID NOT WORK 40 YEARS AND PUT INTO THE SYSTEM TO HAVE DUMBBELLS,STUPIDTY AND INSANITY LIKE YOU AND THE REST OF YOUR CRY BABIES ON CAPITOL HILL REWRITE THE CONSTITION,WHAT PARTY OF STUPID ARE YOU. Your throwing this country back into the 16th century.. Must be nice to BUY OFF YOUR EDUCATION, i had to earn my degrees.. Lets do away with REP,Dem monikers and have one PARTY,, the Party of Anarchy and Ignorance....
    • Carol  •  10 mths ago
      ahkmed_the_dead_terrorist- Every single comment you made below is correct. The ONLY compassion the GOP has is for the wallets of the rich and wealthy. The wy they refer to the needy is a disgrace and not at all Christian.
    • don *  •  10 mths ago
      all these libs whining and moaning lmfao...if it was up to the libs we still wouldn'tt even have a budget.
      Libs are complaining about the republican plan to cut the budget while the dems don't even have a plan beyond tax and spend.
    • ahkmed_the_dead_terrorist  •  10 mths ago
      what about when John Boehner "Weeper of the House" says the American People have spoken , hes referring to the takeover of congress by GOP when they spoke by vote.. it was 2 years ago an times have already evolved or changed into more important issues not including the JOBS the Republicans promised if they was re-elected total lies , they have yet to put together a job bill while democrats seem to be doing all the work or at least looking like it , first the Republicans campaign on jobs, jobs, jobs, then barely got their seat warm an was busting unions in Wisconsin i dont recall any mention of these campaigning tools. Now within 2 months there will be new elections to remove the Republicans poseing as Democrats voting in a Conservative manner , Glen Beck , Rush (Mr Oxycontin) Limbaugh, using Fear, an smear tactics targeted at americas most vulnerable , Seniors , Disabled, Poor, an the Unemployed, an people that are not informed or dont watch political shows that are like "Meet the Press" etc. are good shows to watch to learn whats important to you , an whos talking favorable to your liking. You know if the GOP gets back the White House ...MARK my words first vote they take will be to make the Bush Tax cuts permanent , you know the ones that create jobs , there must be alot of people back to work after these 12 yrs of tax cuts ...NOT ! !
    • Two Steins  •  10 mths ago
      "... both measures would also sharply curb Congress' ability to raise taxes ..."

      That's what the GOP is after - protecting the rich and corporations.

      When are you Republicans going to realize that? If you're a Republican, you are either rich or stupid as f-k.
    • The_Enviro_Guy  •  10 mths ago
      Live within our means. Ok! But first let us pay down the depts we rang up to fight two 10 year and counting wars! How do you propose to do that you conservative idiots?
    • Janet  •  10 mths ago
      I hope all of you who vote Republican are plenty rich because you are the only ones that will ever get any help from them.
    • George Ludwig  •  10 mths ago
      A Constitutional Amendment takes a special vote of 3/4 or 75% of all the States (in agreement) to pass. It is almost impossible (as it should be) over something silly like this. Repugnanicans like yutz retard Cantor (so much to the myth that Jews are smart) might as well have written in that Rapunzel gets her hair cut or Tinkerbell gets to grow full size as this. It is fairy tale or lie told to average Americans who do not know any better.
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