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    Herman Cain Tax Plan to Be "9-0-9" for the Poor

    For Those Whose Annual Income is at or Below the Poverty Level, Cain Says the 9 Percent Income Tax Will Disappear

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    COMMENTARY | Presidential hopeful Herman Cain has taken some brutal hits on his "9-9-9 Tax Plan" over the past few weeks. He has especially been targeted for the plan at the last two Republican debates, with his opponents quoting critical economists and think tanks and stating that the Atlanta businessman's flat tax proposal would benefit the wealthy, reduces taxes for corporations, and place an undue burden on the poor. But in Detroit Friday, Cain fired back at his detractors and said that his tax plan would in no way hurt the poor and that those who pay no taxes now would pay no taxes once the 9-9-9 plan went into effect.

    "If you are at or below the poverty level, your plan isn't 9-9-9 it is 9-0-9," Cain said in his speech, according to CNN. "Say amen y'all. 9-0-9."

    How did everyone miss that part of the 9-9-9 plan when they rushed to assess it, then criticize it, then basically reject it? As the candidate himself has noted on several occasions, he's still working on the specifics. Apparently, taxing personal income at a 9 percent level (a flat rate for all income tax) is one of the specifics that was being worked on, because exempting those below the poverty level was not mentioned before detractors like the Tax Policy Center exposed that the 9-9-9 plan would raise taxes on 84 percent of Americans and overall taxes on the average American family as much as $2,700 if their annual income fell between $10,000 and $20,000 per year. That equates to a 950 percent increase in the tax burden of those too poor to afford such an increase.

    Under the revised "9-0-9 Tax Plan," those at or under the poverty level (in 2010, set at $22,314) would be exempt from income taxes. They would still pay the third 9 percent of the tax triad, a national consumer tax on all purchased items. Considering that those same people currently pay a zero percent national consumption tax, the poor will still be paying something under the Cain plan. And as fair as it might sound, relatively speaking, when spendable income is decreased for the poor, it impacts the standard of living far more negatively than when it is decreased for the well-to-do and the wealthy.

    And what about the overall tax structure, where the 9-9-9 Tax Plan is supposed to replace the "10 million word mess" that is the current progressive tax code? Cain has stated that his tax plan will bring in as much revenue as the current tax system. CNN reported that when their experts crunched the numbers, Cain's tax system brought in $1.77 trillion in annual revenue, whereas the current tax system collects $2.16 trillion. And if one factors in the loss of the those originally counted in the initial Cain plan, those at or below the poverty level that now won't be paying under the revised 9-0-9 plan? Considering that over 40 percent of income earners paid no federal income taxes in 2010, that would be a significant drop in revenue intake for the Cain plan which is already coming up short for what it takes to fund the federal government.

    Then how many of the programs suffering cutbacks in the current budget would see outright elimination or severely diminished funding due to the shortfall? Entitlement programs, government investment in research, educational programs -- all would see severe cutbacks, costing thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of jobs. Most of the cutbacks affect programs that directly or indirectly benefit the poor working class and those living in poverty.

    But that was not the message he was sending in Detroit. "Bottom line folks, 9-9-9 means jobs jobs jobs," he said. "Let's renew the economy of this nation."

    Defunding the federal government, eliminating countless jobs, increasing the tax burden on the poor while decreasing the tax burden for corporations and (relatively) the wealthy -- will somehow renew the economy? It hasn't in the past decade, where the U. S. has experienced two small recessions and a Great Recession.

    With the exception of those at or below the poverty level to the 9-9-9 Tax Plan, the plan is not truly a flat tax. With other incentive plans and exception rules that Cain has proposed, especially for businesses paying the 9 percent corporate taxes, revenues in other brackets will see diminishment as well. And the more built-in exceptions, incentives, and deductions it acquires, the further from the simple tax plan he promised it gets.

    Whether it is a 9-9-9 plan or a 9-0-9 plan, candidate Herman Cain's tax plan needs work and lots of it. Perhaps there are a few unemployed economists he could hire to help flesh out his tax plan into something more actionable. Because even though he seems to have hollowed out the middle in an effort to assuage the poverty-stricken and the working class, the entire tax plan rings a bit hollow as a system that could actually work.

     
     
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    • Carole  •  Commerce, United States  •  6 mths ago
      I welcome this tax plan but by itself it cannot create jobs You can do that! Stop buying foreign junk. If it is not made in America refuse to buy it. If there is a demand for American products they will reopen the factories! Please help me to bring jobs home. Help me spread the word.
    • Michael M  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  7 mths ago
      The article forgot that there would be 0 tax on capital gains. So why would you put your money back into your business and create jobs when you could pay 0 taxes on capital gains. Why would you invest in stocks who support American workers when the corporations who are doing well like Apple manufactor in China? The profitable companies do this to stay profitable. Give corporation an incentive to create jobs in the US and maybe they would.
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        Actually everyone would invest their money if there were no capital gains taxes. Are we on the same planet??????
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        A person could actually buy a house, sit on it for a while then sell it for a profit hopefully and then keep the money instead of the government taking it. Hmmmmm......maybe that would help bring stability back to the housing market and a reason for an investor to to take a chance on it again......
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        Not to mention it's capital gains that people want from their investment in the stock market..............
    • Leif  •  Phoenix, United States  •  7 mths ago
      In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, the United States government imposed its first personal income tax, on August 5, 1861, as part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800; rescinded in 1872). Congress also enacted the Revenue Act of 1862, which levied a 3% tax on incomes above $600, rising to 5% for incomes above $10,000. Rates were raised in 1864. This income tax was repealed in 1872, but a new income tax statute was enacted as part of the 1894 Tariff Act.[
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        I thought I should post this so people can be a little more informed as to how and why we have income tax. Look what a simple tax has turned into what we have today........
      • The Darned Truthful Econo ... 7 mths ago
        Actually it was worthless info. All of the crap we face now comes out of the New Deal under Roosevelt in 1933.
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        Taxes were higher before Roosevelt got into office....... Look it up.
    • Michael M  •  Los Angeles, United States  •  7 mths ago
      A quick look at the history leading up to great depression. More views should be posted from the various schools of economics. This is really more an over view of history.
      TIMELINES OF THE GREAT DEPRESSION:
      1920s (Decade)

      During World War I, federal spending grows three times larger than tax collections. When the government cuts back spending to balance the budget in 1920, a severe recession results. However, the war economy invested heavily in the manufacturing sector, and the next decade will see an explosion of productivity... although only for certain sectors of the economy.
      An average of 600 banks fail each year.
      Organized labor declines throughout the decade. The United Mine Workers Union will see its membership fall from 500,000 in 1920 to 75,000 in 1928. The American Federation of Labor would fall from 5.1 million in 1920 to 3.4 million in 1929.
      Over the decade, about 1,200 mergers will swallow up more than 6,000 previously independent companies; by 1929, only 200 corporations will control over half of all American industry.
      By the end of the decade, the bottom 80 percent of all income-earners will be removed from the tax rolls completely. Taxes on the rich will fall throughout the decade.
      By 1929, the richest 1 percent will own 40 percent of the nation's wealth. The bottom 93 percent will have experienced a 4 percent drop in real disposable per-capita income between 1923 and 1929.
      Individual worker productivity rises an astonishing 43 percent from 1919 to 1929. But the rewards are being funneled to the top: the number of people reporting half-million dollar incomes grows from 156 to 1,489 between 1920 and 1929, a phenomenal rise compared to other decades. But that is still less than 1 percent of all income-earners.
      1922
      The conservative Supreme Court strikes down federal child labor legislation.
      1923
      President Warren Harding dies in office. Calvin Coolidge, becomes president. Coolidge is no less committed to laissez-faire and a non-interventionist government.
      Supreme Court nullifies minimum wage for women in District of Columbia.
      1924
      The stock market begins its spectacular rise. Bears little relation to the rest of the economy.
      1925
      The top tax rate is lowered to 25 percent - the lowest top rate in the eight decades since World War I.
      1928
      Between May 1928 and September 1929, the average prices of stocks will rise 40 percent. The boom is largely artificial.
      1929
      Herbert Hoover becomes President.
      Annual per-capita income is $750. More than half of all Americans are living below a minimum subsistence level.
      Backlog of business inventories grows three times larger than the year before.
      Recession begins in August, two months before the stock market crash. During this two month period, production will decline at an annual rate of 20 percent, wholesale prices at 7.5 percent, and personal income at 5 percent.
      Stock market crash begins October 24. Investors call October 29 Black Tuesday. Losses for the month will total $16 billion, an astronomical sum in those days.
      1930
      .
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        I was just about to post it myself....LOL
      • Leif 7 mths ago
        I wish the United States had the giant industrial base that it had right after WWI. Maybe we'd have a chance to have an economic explosion like they had it back then. The only thing I see resembling it at this point is how the stock market is rising without the rest of the country actually gaining ground. That's a bad sign considering that was a key indicator it looks to me right before the Great depression finally hit full strength.
      • Michael M 7 mths ago
        Lief I can see your a sensible person from your post. I took a little offence at your first post when you asked me what planet I was on. I may have over explain my position and I appologize. But read my reply carefully. Also I should post the differences of opinions in the various schools of economics. Might do it later. Both sides have their points. It's could hearing from you. Once again I see that your serious and reasonable person good hearing from you.
    • z  •  7 mths ago
      Has anyone looked at the Canadian income tax system? It seems to be a bit better than ours... You may want to look into it.
      • J.D.M. 7 mths ago
        If your so crazy about it, move up there, Maple Leaf. Only thing that saves Canada from bein' spanked like the family pig is Uncle Sam. #$%$JDM
      • Daryl 7 mths ago
        Yup, You make it, we take it!
    • Randy  •  7 mths ago
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    • Leif  •  Phoenix, United States  •  7 mths ago
      A simple tax has turned into what we have today. PLEASE READ and then you might think twice about Cain's 9-9-9.......In order to help pay for its war effort in the American Civil War, the United States government imposed its first personal income tax, on August 5, 1861, as part of the Revenue Act of 1861 (3% of all incomes over US $800; rescinded in 1872). Congress also enacted the Revenue Act of 1862, which levied a 3% tax on incomes above $600, rising to 5% for incomes above $10,000. Rates were raised in 1864. This income tax was repealed in 1872, but a new income tax statute was enacted as part of the 1894 Tariff Act.[
      • A Yahoo! User 7 mths ago
        In 2012 Americans elected Herman Cain as President under the political promise or turning the economy around and a proposal on tax reform. Americans felt good as Cain delivered numerous televised speeches while Congress hashed out the details eventually settling on just a National Sale Tax. In order to implement the new tax Congress partnered with New York City Mayor, Micheal Bloomberg to create a government-mandated point of sale register terminal as a requirement for all existing businesses and any newly incorporated entities in all States. Unfortunately a mad rush to personally incorporate as a loophole (business to business transactions were non taxable) resulted in a 50% decline in tax collections. Congress then found the solution in their social security card system. By turning social security cards into a debit card type instrument and going to an all cashless society while keeping the terminal requirement the I.R.S. and their partners in the banking industry could collect on all goods and services which allowed the greatest accumulation of wealth at the top 1% in U.S. history as the rich moved to island communities to enjoy their profits while paying no taxes and avoiding sales taxes.
    • SalviaGuy  •  Austin, United States  •  7 mths ago
      This writer like all wirters that I have read on Yahoo places too much personal bias into the story. Review the facts and stop writing your opinios into it. If you are writing an editorial that state it as such.
      1. Defunding the Federal Government is a good idea; Federal employees are pampered pets.
      They have their own retirement plan and health plans. Get on board with Social Secuirty and Medicare.
      2. Review the 40% no income tax payers. Most are not at the poverty level!! They pay no taxes because they have too many children and have the excessive children deduction.
      Children are a family's responsibility not the Government's.
      3. The poor on the books are there and increasing because our businesses are exploiting the poor in other countries rather than paying decent wages here. Read about FOXCOM.
      4. Writter, do an analysis of one company like IBM. Evaluate salaries of management, options perks, Management offices in Yoktown and White Plains, the use of temporary help in place of permament jobs. The analysis will show that they could do major inventing in future products and hire an army of people.
      5. We can eliminate many federal departments. Time they join the 48 million citizens on the bread lines.
    • J.D.M.  •  7 mths ago
      how about putting more taxes on imports, giving ALL WASHINGTON politicians a 25% pay cut, make illegal drugs legal again, (like they were a century ago), TAX THE HELL OUT OF THE DOPE, and drop the 9-9-9 to maybe 9-8-8. Oh, while we're at it, get the speculators out of the commodities biz. How in the hell are people making $20K/less per year supposed to get to and from work w/ $4/gallon gas? Fuel prices have gone up almost 300% in the last decade. Just because somebody in the Middle East #$%$ a turd the wrong color, or OPEC decides they wanna quit making so much oil this year. IF GAS PRICES STAY HIGH, YOU ARE GONNA HAVE A RECESSION, plain and simple. People can't afford to drive to work. ALL OF THE DOWNFALL IN AMERICA started when gas went above $2/gallon. 6 months ago, Obama said he ordered a Senate panel investigation into the fuel price spikes/hikes. Made ALL THE NEWS. But I haven't heard any of the findings...WHAT DID THEY FIND???SPECULATORS need to quit screwing around w/ the livelihood of America. The recession will end when gas is down to AT LEAST $1.50/gallon. Then people can afford to go to work. It's as plain and simple as the sun comes up in the east, and you gotta close your eyes when you sneeze. Case closed...
    • US  •  7 mths ago
      More of the same which is sending jobs overseas with a tax incentive and treating the average worker like dirt. and bringing foreign workers into the country. The politicians are like the religious leaders which is a big fraud.
    • Leif  •  Phoenix, United States  •  7 mths ago
      As I recall history our current mess of tax regulation started as a simple tax................. Look it up.........
    • JustanotherFool  •  Seattle, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Did anyone else notice how Cain contradicts himself? I can't be the only one that saw him blatantly say if you are poor or unemployed or underemployed it is your own fault....and then just seconds later say that the OCW croud is venting their frustration in the wrong place because they should be marching on the White House. So which is it Mr. Cain? Are poor people to blame for their lack of work or is Obama? Oh I get it......anyone but the rich bankers and wall street......silly me.
    • CNN-NBC-ABC-CBS -is- BS  •  Grand Rapids, United States  •  7 mths ago
      If you have read and have given the Herman Cain resume a thumbs down (posted below) it is proof you don't want the best man for the job, or our country; you're just simple followers....
    • CNN-NBC-ABC-CBS -is- BS  •  Grand Rapids, United States  •  7 mths ago
      DEMOCRATS READ THIS IF YOU DARE! IT"S VERY IMPRESSIVE OBAMA TOOK 3 1/2 years to show a birth cert. look at this mans resume...read it and weep.....Herman Cain Bio:
      Herman Cain is running for president. He’s not a career politician, in fact he has never held political office. He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a lot more to him. He’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy.
      Here’s his bio:
      Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics.
      Master’s degree in Computer Science.
      Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).
      Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.
      VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).
      All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!

      Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.
      Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.
      In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.
      He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.

      Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!

      Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.
      Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.

      After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!

      Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak out on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.
      Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).

      He did all this starting from rock bottom. His father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid. When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.
    • Pam  •  7 mths ago
      Before there is any talk of changing the tax code, both sides of the divide need to stop acting like children, remember who they are working for, and find a way to spend less. If not, this topic is a huge waste of time.
    • Telestai  •  7 mths ago
      Saul Relative, THANK YOU for your calm, reasoned, and persuasive analysis of Cain's proposal.
    • smodley  •  Sacramento, United States  •  7 mths ago
      Whats wrong with you people. He is getting everyone to debate and talk about simplifying the tax code. So what if it needs tweeking....at least he is open enough to accept changes. You want 4 more years of Obama? You want Perry or Romney? They say what you want to hear just to get elected. Heman Cain is bold enough to strive for changes. Of course it will need to be tweeked......he is willing to do that......you people are fools......
    • Ralph M  •  Seattle, United States  •  7 mths ago
      The fact that he is being forced to take a math lesson this early in the game is an indication that he didn't think it through properly. And if he didn't think it through properly, that means he didn't (and doesn't) have a clue about what correct thinking is... He should go back to Sim City and see what They say about the matter. While he's at it, he could see what Sim City's foreign policy is so he can pretend to know a thing about the world beyond the quarterly statement.
    • Michael  •  7 mths ago
      Look Cain this new pizza gimmick 9-0-9 isn't gonna help you. (YOU"RE FIRED)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Leif  •  Phoenix, United States  •  7 mths ago
      The history of taxation in the United States began when it was composed of colonies ruled by the British Empire, French Empire, and Spanish Empire. After independence from Europe the United States collected poll taxes, tariffs, and excise taxes. The United States imposed income taxes intermittently until 1895 when unapportioned taxes on interest, dividends and rents were ruled unconstitutional. The advent of the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution modified the apportionment requirement in 1913, and since then the income tax has become one of the means of funding the Federal Government.
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