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    Huge Arizona wildfire rekindles forest debate

    SPRINGERVILLE, Ariz. (AP) — A major wildfire in Arizona's eastern mountains burned out of control early Friday after charring more than 603 square miles of timber, destroying dozens of structures and keeping thousands of evacuees away from their homes.

    Crews Thursday made progress in burning up fuel ahead of the fire as part of a strategy to choke it on its northern flanks. Smoke from the burn operations puffed shades of black and gray in the hills just above the town of Eagar as grass was singed and trees here and there lit up orange.

    Helicopters helped with the operations and a large air tanker dropped fire retardant on the northwestern edge to keep the flames from hooking around and making a run for Eagar and Springerville.

    As conditions eased somewhat, fire officials took stock of what the Wallow fire did in the resort community of Greer: 22 homes lost, five damaged, and two dozen outbuildings charred when the fire raced through a day earlier.

    Fire information officer Jim Whittington told reporters Thursday night that unfortunately losing home to wildfires has become too common.

    "If you've been with those folks when they go back in, it doesn't matter if they're rich or poor, if they live in a mansion or if they live in a very small house, the pain on people's faces is exactly the same," he said during a late night briefing. "Our hearts go out to those folks."

    It wasn't clear when thousands of residents would be allowed to return to Greer and the handful of other communities in eastern Arizona that were forced to evacuate because of the 603-square-mile blaze. Their return would depend on weather conditions, fire activity and the bolstering of miles of fire line.

    The 386,000-acre blaze with just 5 percent containment. After reportedly being sparked by a campfire, it has become the second-largest wildfire in state history and is still growing.

    The fire has rekindling the blame game surrounding ponderosa pine forests that have become dangerously overgrown after a century of fire suppression.

    Some critics put the responsibility on environmentalists for lawsuits that have cut back on logging. Others blame overzealous firefighters for altering the natural cycle of lightning-sparked fires that once cleared the forest floor.

    Either way, forests across the West that once had 50 trees per acre now have hundreds, sometimes thousands, and much of the landscape is choked with tinder-dry brush.

    The density of the growth has fueled immense conflagrations in recent years, like now burning in the Apache-Sitgreaves National Forest.

    "I think what is happening proves the debate," said state Sen. Sylvia Allen, a Republican from rural Snowflake.

    In the past, a 30-square-mile fire was considered huge. "And it used to be the loggers got right on it. Never in the past have you had these huge fires."

    Today, it's not uncommon for fires to exceed 150 square miles.

    An extremely dry late winter and spring contributed to the fire conditions, drying out the forest and allowing fierce winds to carry the flames into the treetops, where they spread by miles each day.

    Many in Arizona blame the legal battles that have erupted over old-growth logging that threatened endangered species such as the Mexican spotted owl. Since those disputes prevented regular logging that would have thinned the number of trees, the forests became overgrown, they say.

    Environmentalists insist that theory is just a scare tactic.

    "That's just wrong, flat-out wrong," said Bryan Bird of Wildearth Guardians, which has been involved in some of the lawsuits. "These people are misinformed or they're intentionally trying to scare people in a time that they're already terrified. It's pure politics."

    Experts such as professor Wally Covington of Northern Arizona University, who has studied Western forests for decades, say the problems have been building for decades, and blaming lawsuits ignores those facts. Nearly half a million square miles of ponderosa and conifer forests are at risk across the West, he said.

    Historically, those forests were relatively thin, with grass and wildflowers growing beneath the canopy. Every two to 10 years, a fire would move through and burn out the undergrowth and small trees.

    As the region was settled in the 1880s, cattle were brought in to feast on the grass, which limited fires and let small trees mature. Early foresters liked that, because they wanted the forest fully stocked with trees. And they began putting out fires early in the 1900s to help the trees grow, Covington said.

    As the forest got thicker, fires got harder to fight, and the U.S. Forest Service hired thousands of men to battle the flames. Small fires that reached into the treetops were first seen in Arizona in the 1940s. Over the following decades, the typical treetop fire went from a few acres to a few thousand to more than 10,000 by the 1990s.

    Then early in the 2000s, huge conflagrations emerged that turned hundreds of thousands of acres to ash.

    "Now, we're firmly in the multiple 100,000-acre landscape fire,' Covington said.

    Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, says environmental lawsuits have put the nation's forests at risk. And in places where the Apache-Sitgreaves forest had been thinned, he said, crews were better able to control the fire.

    "So it does work," said Kyl, who has a cabin in Greer. "And we haven't been able to do as much of it as we would like."

    The Forest Service has acknowledged the problem, setting up nine restoration projects across the West designed to let private industry thin small trees. In Arizona, the Four Forests Initiative is expected to help clear about 50 square miles a year and use the discarded brush for construction material. But the plan isn't off the ground yet, angering some, including Allen.

    When the plan does start, it will build on projects already under way in the state's White Mountains, where similar efforts are credited with saving some communities from the current fire.

    Thursday marked the first day that firefighters had favorable weather conditions, Whittington said. Friday was expected to be another mild day, and crews were ready to make the most of it before the return of gusty winds Saturday afternoon.

    "There's still a lot of fire out there and it's going to move around," he said.

    Crews were already working on fire lines across the border in western New Mexico. The flames had yet to reach that state by early Friday, but residents of the small town of Luna were preparing to evacuate.

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    Christie reported from Phoenix.

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    Susan Montoya Bryan can be reached at http://twitter.com/susanmbryanNM

     

    19 comments

    • mthiker  •  11 mths ago
      same old story, every time this happens. this is not rocket science. dense dry forests with too many trees and high understory fuel loads will burn up, sooner or later. simple. either you treat the smaller trees and the ground fuels or mother nature will do it for us. simple.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  11 mths ago
      before there was logging or the almighty firefighters, nature seemed to do a fine job of keeping the forests healthy for millions of years . if you live in a forested area, keep the area around your home clear of trees and brush, it's that simple. otherwise pay for the firefighters yourself.
    • THOMAS S  •  11 mths ago
      the enviro-nazis don't know a thing about managing forests. they contribute to these fires with their lawsuits. notice the enviro quoted above--he offers no reasons that others are wrong and starts accusing them of scare tactics. typical lib tactic. name calling to divert attention from an indefensible position.
      • Earth 11 mths ago
        a reporter can on only put in so many quotes. just because that's all the dude was quoted as saying doesn't mean he didn't have an explanation.

        past forest mismanagement caused lawsuits. fire suppression destroyed forest health. careless campers cause fires. forest roads allow more access and ability for arsonist or terrorists to start fires. don't blame environmentalists!
    • robert  •  11 mths ago
      between the huge fires and bark beetles the leftist liberal wackos that are in charge of the u.s. govt., there won't be any forest left. nothing sadder than the destruction of the beetles. this could be managed by man with roads the liberals close. if you vote for these people you are part of the problem.
      • jon 11 mths ago
        wow, great observation. i'm glad that you figured out that the bark beetles are a "liberal" conspiracy. were you drunk when you typed that?
      • PaJaRiTo 11 mths ago
        name-calling wont bring this situation to better ground so shut up and get away from your computer and go out to arizona and see the inferno. come and see whats been going on instead of acting like a childish idiot.
    • Trollface  •  11 mths ago
      if our government spent as much money on stopping this blaze as theyve blown in one day funding their b-s 10-year stalemate war, it wouldve been extinguished days ago. shows you how much they care about the people vs. oil and poppy fields!!
    • A Yahoo! User  •  11 mths ago
      this new yahoo sucks more than a $3 dollar hooker.
    • Deirdre  •  11 mths ago
      stop letting the minority environmentalists control this country- stop it!
    • Skeptic1  •  11 mths ago
      smokey the bear ruined the forests. forests need fire in order to rejuvenate; controlled burning is good for forest health as well as to prevent large scale out of control fires like this.
    • Sierracanon  •  11 mths ago
      the problem is, that the timber industry seems to have a difficult time differentiating between "thinning" and "clear-cutting." in the eldorado nf a few years ago, "thinning" meant leaving a 30' layer of trees by the roadside where everyone could see, and cutting everything beyond that. there must be a balance. and there really should be controlled burning early in the spring to thin out the forest floor (which the timber people don't really do).
    • Ursula S  •  11 mths ago
      i feel for all the families in this tradgic time, but i do believe it should have been contained & under conrol prior too! meaning, that if the forest service would have been on top of the ball ,this would have not been such a travisty! god bless.
    • Angel Bobby  •  11 mths ago
      why should i be part of yahoo when yahoo did not put up my two comments that associated press uses us method of calling a whole map zone as burned when only a tenth was burned?
    • dick  •  11 mths ago
      and it will prosper again and then a new fire will occur and so on....
    • Mikee  •  11 mths ago
      First, jump on these fires when they are very small using modern aircraft technolo----. Snuff them before they become conflagrations. Second, begin to do intensive forest management by constantly thinning and monitoring these timber stands for proper and sustainable growth. The small thin trees and much of the growth that is unwanted and dangerous can be converted into wood chips, pulp and biofuels. Finally, stop all the infighting and political posturing. Convene the academic and practical experts and find a solution everyone can buy into.
    • Robert  •  11 mths ago
      you would be suprised at how many controled burns become full blown forest fires.our inability to quickly spot and put out the early flames is the problem. our cheapskate antiquated forest service planes dropping a few gallons at a time and way to late are the problem.in russia, they have a fleet of huge slow moving jet tankers that line up like a row of b-29s and bomb the early fires before they get out of control.we need a central u.s. base manned 24-7 ready to scramble our own such fleet. it would be worth the cost in the long run.
    • PaJaRiTo  •  11 mths ago
      not enough logging and too many trees in a concentrated area are to blame as well as the idiot, that smokey the bear will tear a new %#@# who sparked the fire in the first place
    • PaJaRiTo  •  11 mths ago
      exactly what ldbiker states that the trees look healthy but theres nothing healthy about it. they grow way to close together and they burn far more easily. two mountain ranges in the tucson souther arizona area catalinas and the rincon mountains. the rincons are healthy with a nice healthy amount of trees. the catalinas with mount lemmon which is closed is not healthy amount of trees, its too much and the other problem is that theres an entire community up on mount lemmon and up on the rincon there are only seasonal cabins
    • Wal Den  •  11 mths ago
      i wonder if many hispanics have volunteered to fight the fires.
    • AndrewE  •  11 mths ago
      i wood like to say a few words about this hotly debated issue. i do knot know a lot about the matter and i’ll go out on a limb here and assume many of you are alder and wiser than i so i hope i don’t make an ash of myself. the solution to the forest fire problem has stumped environmentalists for years. one poplar solution would be to improve awareness of fire hazards in campsites, where many forest fires originate. a much larcher initiative to clear out dry brush and reduce the amount of available fuel for fires has drawn a lot of criticism. while this addresses the root of the problem, it also costs a lot of green. it could leaf arizona in even more debt if it chooses this option. state legislatures can’t keep lumbering along with their excessive spending. the result of high expenditures on public services has taught yew and me that it is irresponsible to spend more money than one has. sorry, i didn’t mean to branch out like that, but it’s a serious matter. arbor that for another time. fir the time being i’ll return to the matter at hand. the time is ripe to
      they need to stick to the current policy while branching out to incorporate these two more seriously. if this proves to be fruitless, give this proposition the axe and try something new. this plan would extinguish the recurring problem of all forest fires in arizona. knock on wood.

      i hope reeding this hasn’t board you. if you choose to ignore this, that’s oakay. try to cypress your anger towards me if you found this an inappropriate response. if i get a bunch of hate comments, i willower myself to your standards and argue over the internet too. it’s easy to have a hollyer-than-thou attitude when you don’t have to see a person face to face. i’d be glade to fight about it. that would be nuts though.
    • Bob35  •  11 mths ago
      Smoky the bear caused this problem!
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