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    Huge fish spurs call to 're-reverse' Chicago River

    CHICAGO (AP) — The city was in a predicament. By the late 1800s, the slow-moving Chicago River had become a cesspool of sewage and factory pollution oozing into Lake Michigan, the source of drinking water for the bustling metropolis.

    The waterway had grown so putrid that it raised fears of a disease outbreak and concerns about hurting development. So in a first-of-its-kind feat, engineers reversed the river by digging a series of canals that not only carried the stinking mess away from the lake, but also created the only shipping route between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River.

    Now a modern threat — a voracious fish that biologists are desperate to keep out of Lake Michigan — has spurred serious talk of undertaking another engineering feat almost as bold as the original: reversing the river again to restore its flow into the lake.

    The Army Corps of Engineers is studying ways to stop invasive species from moving between two of the nation's largest watersheds, including a proposal to block the canals and undo the engineering marvel that helped define Chicago.

    After the first reversal, the city at the edge of the prairie blossomed and today is known for stunning skyscrapers, a sparkling lakefront and a river dyed green every St. Patrick's Day in the heart of Chicago's downtown Loop.

    The idea to reverse the river again got little traction when environmentalists suggested it a few years ago. But that was before Asian carp swam to within 25 miles of Lake Michigan, where they are being held at bay with electric barriers that deliver a nonlethal jolt. And it was before a study that showed dozens of other species were poised to move between the basins.

    Adding to the urgency is the discovery last month of more carp DNA, though no actual carp, in waterways just six miles from Chicago, which could indicate that some slipped through the barriers. One live carp was found past the barrier last summer, but officials weren't sure how it got there.

    The fish are rapacious eaters that can grow to 4 feet and 100 pounds, and they have been migrating up the Mississippi and its tributaries for decades. Scientists say they could decimate the Great Lakes' $7 billion-a-year fishing industry and unravel the food web by starving out native species.

    But carp are not the only threat. A corps report issued this summer identified eight other species that could enter the lakes.

    What's more, the agency concluded, the lake isn't the only body of water in danger. The risk to the Mississippi basin is even greater because the canals offer a potential highway for about 30 species to invade the river and its tributaries from the Great Lakes.

    "That was one of those 'Aha!' moments," said David Wethington, who's managing the corps study. "You hear a lot about Asian carp and the potential devastation (to the Great Lakes), but what if things go the other way?"

    The idea of separating the two watersheds, which have no natural links, has gained support from powerful lawmakers, surrounding states and scientists who believe it's the only way to avoid irreversible ecological and economic harm.

    "If we don't, a century from now, our children and grandchildren will have lakes full of invasive species ... and we will be sacrificing two of the greatest freshwater ecosystems of the United States to invasion and lost economic opportunity," said Joel Brammeier, president of the environmental advocacy group Alliance for the Great Lakes.

    But the corps isn't ready to say whether reversing the Chicago River again is the solution. Its recommendation may have to wait another four years.

    To reverse the river, engineers would barricade the canals that have been used for more than a century to send the river flowing to the west. With those channels closed, the river would resume its previous course toward Lake Michigan because the river would again be higher than the lake.

    And that might be the easiest part.

    Industries that use the waterways to move everything from grain and road salt to coal and chemicals oppose the idea. They complain they stand to lose billions a year if they have to rely on more expensive trains and trucks.

    "I don't want the Asian carp in the Great Lakes any more than anyone else does, but (separating the watersheds) destroys the economics of moving by barge," said Mark Biel, executive director of the Chemical Industry Council of Illinois and chairman of Unlock Our Jobs, an industry coalition that opposes the idea.

    Perhaps a bigger obstacle is Chicago's sewer system, which collects rainfall in a big part of the metro area and then discharges it toward the Mississippi. Despite billions spent on an extensive underground tunnel network, the system still cannot contain enough storm water and sewage during heavy rainstorms, forcing authorities to open shipping locks and dump the runoff into Lake Michigan to spare basements.

    Reversing the river would push even more water toward downtown and the lake, possibly requiring the city to spend billions more than planned on reservoirs and pipes to hold back the flow and prevent massive flooding.

    Then there's the matter of water quality. Even when it's not raining, more than half the volume of the river is wastewater discharged from sewage treatment plants, and it's not disinfected to kill harmful pathogens. Under pressure from the Environmental Protection Agency, the city has agreed to start killing germs, but it will take a while before the water is clean enough to send into the lake.

    All those things will weigh on the corps' recommendation, due by 2015.

    Biel said industry supports the creation of a dead zone by injecting oxygen-eating microorganisms in a portion of the waterways so aquatic life could not survive long enough to move between basins. That would require a waiver from the Clean Water Act.

    Another idea is building a two-way shipping lock that could move water toward or away from the lake, said Richard Sparks, a scientist at the National Great Rivers Research and Education Center in southern Illinois. He said a strong electric current within the lock chamber might be able to kill organisms or fish, including anything that might be clinging to the barges, before opening the gates in the other direction.

    The corps will also study more effective electric barriers, chemicals and biological controls, Wethington said.

    The Natural Resources Defense Council has suggested barricading the canals, but pumping water over them to keep water flowing away from Chicago while somehow first killing outgoing invasive species.

    No solution will be easy or cheap, and everyone agrees it could take many years to complete.

    Still, there is growing sentiment that Chicago shouldn't pass up an opportunity to tackle the problem of invasive species, sewer overflows and pollution at the same time.

    The project could also address another issue: drinking water supplies. Unlike other cities that use Lake Michigan for drinking water, Chicago doesn't return water to the lake, and there is a limit on how much it can use because of that. If the city were able to clean the water and put it back, that might help ensure enough water to handle future demand.

    A coalition of U.S. and Canadian cities is conducting its own study of the problems. One of its leaders, David Ullrich of the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence Cities Initiative, says the proposal to undo a century of civil engineering is essential for the next century and beyond.

    "We believe now is the time to fundamentally redefine the relationship between the city, the Chicago River and the full waterway system," he said.

    ___

    Tammy Webber can be reached at http://twitter.com/twebber02.

     

    574 comments

    • jokerneck1q  •  9 mths ago
      What is the Tea Party?
    • Sherry R  •  9 mths ago
      Chicago river a cesspool of sewage back in the day? Nothing has changed....Chicago is famous for pumping out turds...
      • Joseph 9 mths ago
        Yeah, like our current President.
      • A Yahoo! User 9 mths ago
        and eminem lol
      • A Yahoo! User 9 mths ago
        oh that was detriot
    • Penny  •  9 mths ago
      they need to catch them and start grinding them up and putting them into cat food. Or find away to put them out to sea. like maybe the gulf of Mexico where it's so polluted, and with the oil still spewing , it might just kill them off or slow down their reproduction cycles.
      • OVER TAXED 9 mths ago
        get a life, the gulf is twice as clean as the chicago river.
      • Penny 9 mths ago
        Oh shut up. The Chicago river is polluted but what's your big idea, armchair warrior?
    • MichaelK  •  9 mths ago
      Ask ex-mayor Daley what to do then do the opposite! That guy was a #$%$ and their new mayor is a smidge better to the grade of village idiot!
    • Curly  •  9 mths ago
      Fishing Industry would stand to lose "billions" if not stopped. Shipping industry would stand to lose "billions" if stopped. CON gress will take contributions from each industry and spend it on re-elections and nothing will happen.
    • Gardnr  •  9 mths ago
      I've wondered why some entrepreneurs haven't latched onto the idea of fishing out the Asian carp and turning them into cheap livestock/pet food? Fish meal is a good source of protein for chickens, dogs, cats, etc. and if the fish are as big as 100 pounds each, I should think there's a gold mine to be exploited in the Missippi. Not a permanent solution, but something that would at least control the population and buy some time for the Great Lakes.
      • Tyr Byr 9 mths ago
        I've thought the same. 100lb fish is a lot of protien. Can't these fish be prepared for human consumption?
      • RJW 9 mths ago
        I have looked into this and the problem is they will bring only cents per lb. you can not harvest them and pay a crew for what you get, period.
      • Sherry R 9 mths ago
        At least SOMEBODY has some common sense around here. Thank you! Common sense is not so common is it?
    • CHITOWNARKANSAS  •  9 mths ago
      This problem is nothing new. It's been seen on Television for a few years now. Now we are to believe that our state and city or federal governments have done nothing in all this time to prepare for an action they new would be needed. Four more years of Government red tape before they even begin to work will be too late. They should have done this years ago before any of this happened. It's so government like to not use the moneys they take in taxes for anything useful or resourceful until there is a potential disaster or a catastrophic incident. (Oh I must have forgotten we're to busy giving money to places like Pakistan so they can build nuclear weapons that they will probably someday threaten us with).
      As far as the rain water goes. They didn't think big enough with deep tunnel. Remember Burnham said something about this when he created our lakefront. For the life of me I could never understand why they would purify all of this Lake Michigan water and send it down the Mississippi River instead of running it down to the Cal-Sag and into Calumet Harbor and back into Lake Michigan. Just look how far lake levels have dropped since the 60s. Go to Montrose Avenue Beach to the boat launch that was built and see that it's 50 yards from the water.
      As far as commerce goes. If barge traffic is interrupted this should help the railroads establish themselves again. This will give lots more people jobs also. Let's get get our country going in the right direction. Lets do it today starting here.
      USA USA USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • Joliet Jake  •  9 mths ago
      I have a solution to get rid of asian carp, that threatens the great lakes, We should use special bait to fish all the asian carp out of the Mississippi, and Chicago river, take all the carps, and ship them to Alaska, and release them in their waters!!! Sarah (the retardy) Palin, and other Alaskans love fishing those carps, and smoking them to eat!!! This will give Alaska plenty to fish, and eat!!!
      • TAB 9 mths ago
        Cool idiot blather! Been a dem voter long? I'm guessing . . . yes.
      • Tyr Byr 9 mths ago
        Pure ignorance. Well, I can see Obama has at least one supporter left.
      • Sherry R 9 mths ago
        Clueless.
    • bilz  •  9 mths ago
      They dont want it to "contaminate" the Great Lake, but what about the Gulf of Mexico, and all the States along the river for the crap to get there?
    • bilz  •  9 mths ago
      What's wrong with eating smoked carp? And why should people living up and down the Mississippi river have to put up with Chicago's sewer problem? People choose to live in Chicago, yet throw their crap in others' back yards. All of the states and cities south of Chicago along the Mississippi should tax Chicago residents for their crap disposal.
    • yahoouser  •  9 mths ago
      this is terrible but........who in "America" likes to fish for carp and eatm???... Would Obama like to answer that? ................Maybe invite all those who like to fish for carp and eatm over there and carp problem will be history...
    • yahoouser  •  9 mths ago
      yeah people go look up those carp. there scary in alot of ways. wouldnt want my kiddo fishing for them. the idea of a "Loc System" for boat traffic with electric in water to kill m would work.
      • The Bear 9 mths ago
        Are you kidding? Fishing them is scary? and you don't mind electrofying the water? I hope your kiddo doesn't fall in.
    • Aaron  •  9 mths ago
      wouldn't it be cheaper to just kill all of the carp?
    • BarrySoetoro  •  9 mths ago
      You're telling me, in this day and age of water processing, we're still letting these massive cities dump their defecation and toxic waste into such places as the old Miss and the once pristine Lake Michigan? I find this very difficult to understand. I thought we grew up from that insanity? Forget about the stupid carp, what kind of toxins is the filthy city of Chicago, getting away with pumping into these two wonderful water ways? I'd say, before Chicago is allowed to invest in any more Obama style community organizing or any more gay pride events, they better dump every single spare penny they can, into a massive and thorough water treatment system. As for the fish, as has already been said, just make it year round open season, give rewards if you must, for every one caught, make a sport of it, they'll be gone in no time. But holy smokes, I can't even begin to fathom the poison being dumped? END THAT NOW!
    • Werewolf  •  9 mths ago
      Just put a hefty bounty on those Asian carp...and get our kids armed with fishing poles.
    • bohemian garnet  •  9 mths ago
      This is silly. First off, there's going to be some crazy person, or some #$%$ off person who is going to catch the carp, and release them into the lakes no matter what they do. Instead of spending millions doing this, why don't they hold monthly contests to see which fisherman can catch the most Asian carp? Of course it is NOT catch and release, it's capture and kill. We hunted passenger pigeons to extinction, and flocks of the pigeons to DAYS TO FLY OVER, they were so numerous. They would roost on top of each other, and break branches of trees with their weight....yet we hunted them to extinction. We've hunted fish to extinction too. Just make it a monthly contest for anglers, and pretty soon they will not be able to find anymore to catch!
    • полезные левые идиоты us ...  •  9 mths ago
      Aren't the people in Somalia starving? Here is the the solution Asia carp ! Dried fish is very good for you, keeps almost forever and requires no refrigeration.
    • FlatCat  •  9 mths ago
      The engineering feat of reversing the river is a couple of levers and a valve or two.The whole system was set up when built to be reversed as needed.Also what about the invasive zebra mussel that killed off our clams?We asked Canada for years to stop debalsting ships salwater tanks into the fresh water lakes and those dirty half frenchie gay lumber jacking canucks ignored us.I say INVADE Canada NOW!
    • полезные левые идиоты us ...  •  9 mths ago
      See and here I thought that all nasty stench in Chicago was just from the first wookie's K___unt!
    • Fedup in USA  •  9 mths ago
      Hmmm...without industry regulations the river became a polluted cesspool. 100 years later the rememdy would be to undo the "first remedy" which is all because of an invasive species, the carp, that is migrating up river - which was prbably introduced because of lax regualtions. And now the politicians are being trusted again to fix ALL of the messes they created - good luck with that!!! LMAO
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